By the way, someone kick me the next time I think about buying a Season Pass of ANYTHING.

I NEVER buy Season Passes- Never. It was a rule I always stood by. Why?

1. You often don`t know what you`re going to get.
2. Even when they say what you`re going to get, you`re not actually sure you will.
3. It`s a lot of money for not being certain what you`ll get.
4 You don`t get the respect that a consumer would have got with any other kind of a product. It`s like, "We got the money, they`re gamers so who cares?"
5. Be wary of anyone that sells the Beta of something you`ve already paid ahead for and won`t let you take part unless you pay.


I broke my rule.

If I were you I would do some math:

Playing time in hours / money spent for game = leet factor

Low factor = money spent well
High factor = waste of money

My example:

1 cinema ticket + beer / popcorn for a 2 hour movie = 30 € / 2 = 15 €
lifetime pass/premium beta for elite (150 €) and 25+ ingame weeks (4200 hours)= 0,035 ct

There you go.
 
Premium Beta Lifetime Pass owner here, don't regret buying it one bit, in fact I reckon I robbed FD, but I did buy another 2 accounts to make amends.

Fantastic game with no equal in its genre!

Same here, only difference I bought one extra standard account. Two I think is a bit too much ;) . Other than that, I never regretted it too!
 

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If I were you I would do some math:

Playing time in hours / money spent for game = leet factor

Low factor = money spent well
High factor = waste of money

My example:

1 cinema ticket + beer / popcorn for a 2 hour movie = 30 € / 2 = 15 €
lifetime pass/premium beta for elite (150 €) and 25+ ingame weeks (4200 hours)= 0,035 ct

There you go.

But time is precious and you can't get time back. I'd rather wake up and realise I'd just wasted two hours on a bad movie than 4200 hours on a bad game LOL :p
 
Same thing I thought when I bought Premium Beta which included the life time expansion pass. I would buy one for any game now... Each his own I guess.
 
If I were you I would do some math:

Playing time in hours / money spent for game = leet factor

Low factor = money spent well
High factor = waste of money

My example:

1 cinema ticket + beer / popcorn for a 2 hour movie = 30 € / 2 = 15 €
lifetime pass/premium beta for elite (150 €) and 25+ ingame weeks (4200 hours)= 0,035 ct

There you go.

Precisely. Wait a year OP if you prefer.

Mind you this gets me thinking. If you put the money in the bank for 12 months,150€ becomes 160 € (whatever, interest 0.0001% or something silly right now)

Stick it into Elite Sidewinder and you'll have an Anaconda; 147,000,000 basic Anny @ divided by 32,000 sidewinder = an interest rate of about 400,000% .. try getting THAT from the bank!
 
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You know. GENERALLY I'm of a mind to avoid season passes- I got burned with the original season pass for Destiny- boy did that deal suck big time.

However, I just got ED and Horizons together (£40 for the commander pack- less than the price of a brand new console game or many PC games from less reputable publishers) and I'm really impressed. Sure- some updates are going to be more fulfilling than others but the feeling I get with Elite, particularly as this is something David Braben has been involved with since 1984, is that Frontier are committed to really developing this game and making something even more special of it than it already is. Sure there are a few microtransactions about if you want to bling your ships together, but the ongoing updates seem to be really adding something to the universe.
 
The alternative to not buying a season pass isn't a subscription model.
The alternative is waiting until the season is complete and then considering a purchase.

So what you're saying is we should not have any of this content at all until Frontier have completely finished designing all the intended features of Horizons. So you'd rather we all be stuck with pre-2.0 Elite until late 2017?

Uhm ... no. I'm rather grateful to see us all get new content at a steady trickle rather than a wait with an all or nothing approach.
 
"The Frontier Team are nice people but don't care about the game only money?"

Hmmmm. Maybe I suppose (look in their eyes for signals);

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oh, I like that cinema example,
last one was very real to me, as I already knew what's coming...
First I paid some 10€ to get into the film, it's a sneak preview, oh yes, I like that!
Then I saw it was a black-and-white film and in 3D. Oh yes, I got some 3D glasses (only for 5€ ... per glass.) You didn't need that they say, it would only be a bit fuzzy/diffuse... or so.... without one.
Then I saw, that 10 Minutes later, there was the same film.... in COLOR.
No I didn't need colors, who does need it? (for additional 5€ that is...)
At the end(?) we were taken outside, because the end of the film/episode? wasn't really ready now, and they wanted to show it only to some elusive people who have paid another 5€.
But I could have watched it on DVD when it arrives, of course.
For another 10€.
(and I haven't told you yet what was in that film...)
 
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Well, if they don´t care for money I would say something is pretty wrong in Cambridge :)

They have chosen the payment model without subscription, and an early possibility for a lifetime pass. And as an LTP owner I spent my money once and now I lay back and watch people whine in the forums about the yearly 30 Euro for a season (well... not even yearly with 2.3 and 2.4 not released yet) where every single of the four patches seem to have more content than 99,9 % of the full price so called AAA-games that came out in the last years.
 
I bought the Alpha, but have already got my money's worth. Caveat Emptor, my friend.
This. Caveat Emptor, indeed. Case by case basis needs to be applied to all purchases, especially in the computer games market.

Since NMS and the Thief remake disappointed me, I no longer pre-order anything. Mass Effect: Andromeda is on my buy list, but not until I see copius PC reviews. Dishonored 2 had serious issues on release, but isn't too bad now. I'm glad I waited for them to be fixed before buying it.

As for Elite: Dangerous, I have three Horizons accounts, two with LEP's and I'd get a third if they'd let me. The vast majority of my PC component and software purchases in the last two years have been directly for E: D. This is my kind of game and I have zero issues supporting it. There are issues and bugs, but they are being fixed over time. What I originally bought in v1.0 is a shadow compared to what I played last night in the Beta.

Frontier have made mis-steps, but I'm still here and not going anywhere for the foreseeable future. YMMV.
 
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oh, I like that cinema example,
last one was very real to me, as I already knew what's coming...
First I paid some 10€ to get into the film, it's a sneak preview, oh yes, I like that!
Then I saw it was a black-and-white film and in 3D. Oh yes, I got some 3D glasses (only for 5€ ... per glass.) You didn't need that they say, it would only be a bit fuzzy/diffuse... or so.... without one.
Then I saw, that 10 Minutes later, there was the same film.... in COLOR.
No I didn't need colors, who does need it? (for additional 5€ that is...)
At the end(?) we were taken outside, because the end of the film/episode? wasn't really ready now, and they wanted to show it only to some elusive people who have paid another 5€.
But I could have watched it on DVD when it arrives, of course.
For another 10€.
(and I haven't told you yet what was in that film...)

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The alternative to not buying a season pass isn't a subscription model.
The alternative is waiting until the season is complete and then considering a purchase.

Exactlly what i'll do! Buy finished product, not promise or speculation
 
IMHO there is a nice balance somewhere between waiting for something to be finished and paying for something that is on its way...

I do like the season approach, which is why I bought the alpha+LTP.

I didnt really have much doubt that an eminently playable game would be delivered and 15 weeks of in game time seems to bear out my original purchase 2500 hrs for 300 dollars.... that's about 11c per hour.... fracking brilliant value for money....

Perhaps one on my best value purchases... ever... to be honest...
 
So what you're saying is we should not have any of this content at all until Frontier have completely finished designing all the intended features of Horizons. So you'd rather we all be stuck with pre-2.0 Elite until late 2017?

Uhm ... no. I'm rather grateful to see us all get new content at a steady trickle rather than a wait with an all or nothing approach.

That's always an interesting rebuttal.
As if season passes are the one and only possible way to go, almost hardwired into our collective business perceptions.
They could also have developed and charged for every update individually in the shape of DLC.
You would still have had the same update frequency and the same content as it became available.
Only that you would have paid for it in increments after it was done, and not a year and a half in advance for the whole thing....and that's even assuming season 2 will conclude in june or thereabouts.


See, i like to see the folks who stand to reap the economic benefits to also be the ones who shoulder the economic risks.
To me that appears to be only fair.
What is a season pass, from an economical point of view ?
It's a loan, an interest free loan even. And one with no fixed due date.
Also with no repercussion for the loan taker, should it all come apart or fall short of what was announced.
The facts of the deal are that FD has your money, and all you have is your trust, hope and faith that this money will be matched by content.
And if that fails you don't even have any legal leverage.
Now you go and tell me who's got the better deal here.

Hint: It isn't you.
 
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