But it's ok not to respect the will of the Scottish people?
Why? Are they second class citizens in your New English Order?
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But it's ok not to respect the will of the Scottish people?
Why? Are they second class citizens in your New English Order?
Y'know Yaffle that's a bit of a low blow right there - you mods dish out infractions for altering quotes on this very forum. I realise you're trying to make a point, but that's rather a low blow, old bean.
The United Kingdom - the Union itself - is hundreds of years old, and despite one or two hiccups or the odd upset, largely does work as an entity. The EU is only decades old and is already proving to be a failed experiment - dangerously so.
That quote isn't even something Cosmo wrote himself. He merely copied it out of the article.
For what concerns me, I have never thought one second of it
---- The problem is that a referendum has already been done. And that the moment is badly chosen to make a second referendum. I also think that there are political, geostrategic interests, etc... to maintain the union of the UK. But I am not in the 10 Downing Street I can tell you right now that there is no appetite for another referendum here in Scotland. The SNP speak for one people - the SNP and its supporters. The SNP do NOT speak for me and the more than 1 million Scots who voted for Brexit. And they do not speak for the majority of Scotland, who will, if provoked enough - and calling for Yet Another "once in a generation" indyref will be that provocation - send that referendum to the oblivion it richly deserves - and later the SNP with it.
Irrelevant. A quote is a quote no matter the source. Altering quotes is something which invokes the Infraction Machine here. How many times have you seen warnings about altering quotes on these forums? A: Plenty.
They said the same thing in the French press a few months ago. And the French press has good experts
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Yaffle
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I did make it clear, apologies if it came across as not. I've changed the quote and source.
So how many years makes a union a 'good' one? 50? 100? 200? 1,000? What does time have to do with it?
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200 seems reasonable. Of course that the time judges of the solidity of a union
As far as I'm concerned, the English are still not British. They're a hostile occupying force. Scottish, Welsh, Cornish and Irish are still treated as second class by them when it comes to politics.
Yaffle
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200 seems reasonable. Of course that the time judges of the solidity of a union
So the USA is only just a union? Which it wasn't before the second world war, for example. Hawaii isn't really part of the union at all.
On what basis is 200 years set? Was the a deadline when the Union was formed 'if you want to get out, you have to give notice within 200 years?' I'm not convinced it does.
Oh come come Yaffle. That's not a good point and you know it. If something has largely worked for centuries, you can say with some certainty that, well, it works.
Whether or not something is good, however, is entirely subjective. I think the Union is good, because it largely works, despite the odd upset. Others think differently of course.
Where the SNP are concerned, a lot of the upset is manufactured by them as they are opportunists with a myopic focus on one thing and one thing only - Scottish independence - which is dangerously fuelled by a deep and irrational hatred of the English.
Oh I did not think the things are like this. Do you really think it's like that ? An occupation force ? I think it's a strong expression
It's how I feel as a non-English Brit.
I have no idea how others feel, and unlike May, I wouldn't try to speak for them.
I can understand you
Yaffle
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Which clearly Scotland does not as the issue has been around for as long as the Union has been around. Therefore, it's fine to have another referendum.
Personally I think Scotland and rUK are better off with Scotland in it, but I also still think the EU and UK are mutually better off together. But, as we have voted out of the EU it seems only right that given the huge change to Scotland this will make, and don't forget that as a nation they voted to remain, then the Will of the People should be tested. Is Ms Sturgeon opportunistic? Yes, of course she is. She is a politician. it is what they do.
A world without medical operations or antibiotics "worked" for thousands of years. Do we really need this new fangled "medicine" crap? What is the point of progress?
"Having little influence on the goverment is fine if that system is very old."
What kind of logic is that? Or is it some kind of British sarcasm thats way over my head? Btw, how are the massive improvements to the UK coming along that were promised? Enjoying the huge investments in healthcare already? Escaping from the evil tyranny of europe must have turned the UK into a paradise by now. You know, with europe being that 'disastrous experiment' and all that.
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Yeah, a deep and irrational hatred of some strange and distant place where people make laws that effect your region. How unfamiliar that must be.
What kind of logic is that? Or is it some kind of British sarcasm thats way over my head?
Btw, how are the massive improvements to the UK coming along that were promised? Enjoying the huge investments in healthcare already? Escaping from the evil tyranny of europe must have turned the UK into a paradise by now. You know, with europe being that 'disastrous experiment' and all that. - - - Updated - - -
Yeah, a deep and irrational hatred of some strange and distant place where people make laws that effect your region. How unfamiliar that must be.
That's ok, the Tories are already working on getting rid of that, or at least restricting it to our "betters".
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"Having little influence on the goverment is fine if that system is very old."
What kind of logic is that? Or is it some kind of British sarcasm thats way over my head?
We're "improving" from one of the best social healthcare systems in the world to one of the greediest capitalist healthcare systems like the USA. Can't you feel it improving... well for the drug manufacturers at least.
Indeed. I have him on ignore, but can see his post in your reply. Lazy conflation of the SNP and independence, as if it's something only the SNP want, and demonstrably false (and deeply insulting) nonsense about racism. I don't know how you guys can suffer to read such ignorant guff.
Nah, not irrelevant as there is no such rule in the forum rules. Yes, it's basic netiquette and yes, Yaffle could have left the signature to the OP out, but after all you're using that to poorly deflect the argument he made.