The push of Anarchy player groups into Federation systems.

[Deleted member 115407]

If a faction (including the Frogs) changes the system to Anarchy and they are not aligned with the Federation the system will fall out of Federation hands and into Yuri Gorum I think.

This is not the case. I hate when discussions like this come up because then it causes me to login just to start double-checking stuff. But Xihe is not the anchor, Wolf 906 is the anchor, and changes of local government in its exploited systems shouldn't matter. Horagalles, Grom's nearby control system, has exploited Fed systems that still provide him with plenty of command capital.

One other important point, if a system leaves the Federation, the control system (Wolf 906) will lose some of its value since its income will be reduced by X amount. All systems in PP have a financial value attached to them. This can impact the Federation PP by an unknown amount.

That's a possibility. I sat down to do an exploited-systems CC analysis a while back, but never invested much time in it (mostly because the interface makes it a painful task). For the short survey I did, I didn't see a significant difference in CC between aligned MFs and others.

I can understand your concern for the Federation, but the Powers? Hudson isn't going to be significantly affected if Xihe flips over. LHS 3804 is an Indie/Anarchy system that's providing CC to Hudson. A small amount, 6 CC, but only two less than Xihe, who is providing 8CC.

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What has really happened here is that the Diamond Frogs have caused you to lose more than a Starport. They have caused you to lose morale.

But why? What is the objective of your resistance? Is it to elevate Space Poultry to great heights? Or is it to resist the Diamond Frog conquest of Xihe, no matter the cost? Because if your objective is the latter, then it should be readily apparent that the Diamond Frogs have made no mechanical gains by Movement of Xihe taking over the system. Essentially, a Federal Corporation has been replaced by a Federal Democracy. That's it.

As for the Diamond Frogs, they are still in control of only one usable port, Langford Survey, and one unusable surface installation, Fozard point (a shiny new liability). They still have to go through all of the same stuff they have been going through in order to take control of the Orbital and the System.... that's assuming of course that you stop pining over the decline of the Space Poultry, and start organizing yourselves around saving the system through any acceptable faction that isn't the Diamond Frogs.

 

[dynamicbob]

Hmm, sounds like emergent game play to me. Isn't that what so many people are asking for? I say go Frogs!!

one could say lazy federation commanders arent defending the line ( to busy farming 17 draconis and sothis)

He who fights wins, that said Fdev might pick up on this and go CG, or emergent gameplay storyline

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

He who fights wins, that said Fdev might pick up on this and go CG, or emergent gameplay storyline

I suspect that FD won't touch this unless they get a decent CG proposal sent to them by players. It would be a good place for two competitive combat CGs. FD will be wanting at least one of these to try out the new linked CGs with 2.3.

If anyone does want to write a CG on this, see this post by Zac on CG submissions.

 

[Bearcat]

This is not the case. I hate when discussions like this come up because then it causes me to login just to start double-checking stuff. But Xihe is not the anchor, Wolf 906 is the anchor, and changes of local government in its exploited systems shouldn't matter. Horagalles, Grom's nearby control system, has exploited Fed systems that still provide him with plenty of command capital.



That's a possibility. I sat down to do an exploited-systems CC analysis a while back, but never invested much time in it (mostly because the interface makes it a painful task). For the short survey I did, I didn't see a significant difference in CC between aligned MFs and others.

I can understand your concern for the Federation, but the Powers? Hudson isn't going to be significantly affected if Xihe flips over. LHS 3804 is an Indie/Anarchy system that's providing CC to Hudson. A small amount, 6 CC, but only two less than Xihe, who is providing 8CC.

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What has really happened here is that the Diamond Frogs have caused you to lose more than a Starport. They have caused you to lose morale.

But why? What is the objective of your resistance? Is it to elevate Space Poultry to great heights? Or is it to resist the Diamond Frog conquest of Xihe, no matter the cost? Because if your objective is the latter, then it should be readily apparent that the Diamond Frogs have made no mechanical gains by Movement of Xihe taking over the system. Essentially, a Federal Corporation has been replaced by a Federal Democracy. That's it. As for the Diamond Frogs, they are still in control of only one usable port, Langford Survey, and one unusable surface installation, Fozard point (a shiny new liability). They still have to go through all of the same stuff they have been going through in order to take control of the Orbital and the System.... that's assuming of course that you stop pining over the decline of the Space Poultry, and start organizing yourself around saving the system through any acceptable faction that isn't the Diamond Frogs.

No. you are wrong.It never was a matter of Power Play or the BGS, it was always a matter of good vs. evil. The Diamond frogs are spreading anarchy in the heart of civilization. At some point, they must, and will, be stopped. The only question is how long it takes for the community to recognize the threat and deal with it. It saddens me no end that you, who were once a noble fighter for what is right, has gone to the dark side and now kill innocent traders...https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...hat-we-killled-tonight-at-the-CG-and-the-Orca

Your time is coming, my friend....

 

[Han_Zen]

Perhaps if Zach pulled the navy out of the Pleiades he could defend the federation?

Until they leave, I hope they burn. If the Thargoids need ammo to destroy Mars, I will ship it for them free of charge.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

No. you are wrong.It never was a matter of Power Play or the BGS, it was always a matter of good vs. evil. The Diamond frogs are spreading anarchy in the heart of civilization. At some point, they must, and will, be stopped. The only question is how long it takes for the community to recognize the threat and deal with it. It saddens me no end that you, who were once a noble fighter for what is right, has gone to the dark side and now kill innocent traders...https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...hat-we-killled-tonight-at-the-CG-and-the-Orca

Your time is coming, my friend....

What?! That was written by an imposter!

I would never roleplay a Federal Officer who pulls over traders to "check their papers" and then engages them when they refuse to comply with my orders.

Whoever wrote that post is on my list

(My only regret is that I didn't yell "Stop Resisting!" when I opened fire )

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

it was always a matter of good vs. evil.

Maybe you are right.

So if the "evil" Diamond Frogs do manage to get control of Xihe, they could weaponise the biomorphic companions

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Maybe you are right.

So if the "evil" Diamond Frogs do manage to get control of Xihe, they could weaponise the biomorphic companions

"They sent a slamhound on Turner's trail in New Delhi, slotted it to his pheromones and the color of his hair. It caught up with him on a street called Chandni Chauk and came scrambling for his rented BMW through a forest of bare brown legs and pedicab tires. Its core was a kilogram of recrystallized hexogene and flaked TNT."

- William Gibson

 

[Roybe]

No. you are wrong.It never was a matter of Power Play or the BGS, it was always a matter of good vs. evil. The Diamond frogs are spreading anarchy in the heart of civilization. At some point, they must, and will, be stopped. The only question is how long it takes for the community to recognize the threat and deal with it. It saddens me no end that you, who were once a noble fighter for what is right, has gone to the dark side and now kill innocent traders...https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...hat-we-killled-tonight-at-the-CG-and-the-Orca

Your time is coming, my friend....

LOL! Remember Lugh! Go Diamond Frogs! Maybe the Federation can learn to fly those missions rather than pew pew! Seems to be their Achilles Heel!

 

[Deleted member 115407]

LOL! Remember Lugh! Go Diamond Frogs! Maybe the Federation can learn to fly those missions rather than pew pew! Seems to be their Achilles Heel!

Hey, don't go hard on Bearcat. The man has fought a long, and incredibly good defensive campaign against superior numbers. That defense has just hit a setback.

A small setback, if anything, but a setback nonetheless.

 

[Bearcat]

Maybe you are right.

So if the "evil" Diamond Frogs do manage to get control of Xihe, they could weaponise the biomorphic companions

I will not rest until the Diamond Frogs are reduced from their current 14 or 15 systems to just one. Anyone wanting to help can join me at http://inara.cz/wing/1786

In the meantime, the punishment of Vindelanos will be one of our top priorities...(thanks for the kind words).

 

[Roybe]

Hey, don't go hard on Bearcat. The man has fought a long, and incredibly good defensive campaign against superior numbers. That defense has just hit a setback.

A small setback, if anything, but a setback nonetheless.

Well, I just see it from a different point of view. He has stood in the way of true progress!

[RP Off] I'm glad to see people doing this! Hopefully, he will get some folks out to help him [RP On] So the Federation can lose harder! Muhahahah!

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

"They sent a slamhound on Turner's trail in New Delhi, slotted it to his pheromones and the color of his hair. It caught up with him on a street called Chandni Chauk and came scrambling for his rented BMW through a forest of bare brown legs and pedicab tires. Its core was a kilogram of recrystallized hexogene and flaked TNT."

- William Gibson

Xihe biomorphic assassins would be just like that, only cuddly.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I will not rest until the Diamond Frogs are reduced from their current 14 or 15 systems to just one. Anyone wanting to help can join me at http://inara.cz/wing/1786

In the meantime, the punishment of Vindelanos will be one of our top priorities...(thanks for the kind words).

I have to admit that that is the best development!

I expect... no... I demand treachery

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Xihe biomorphic assassins would be just like that, only cuddly.

Like a little Bichon Frise, packed with explosives...

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

Ah, the Milou 3000 model was one of our best sellers.

 

[CptXabaras]

I will not rest until the Diamond Frogs are reduced from their current 14 or 15 systems to just one. Anyone wanting to help can join me at http://inara.cz/wing/1786

In the meantime, the punishment of Vindelanos will be one of our top priorities...(thanks for the kind words).

Bear, you cannot take on Vin without taking it on me too... Just don't, that would be sad

 

[thirstyfish]

How many systems will fall before the Federation wakes up and realizes that Anarchy Player groups such as Diamond Frogs are actively taking over systems even though they are not in power play? As a long time Federation supporter and former Zach Hudson member it pains me to see system after system fall. A number of us fought a tough fight Xihe to keep it from falling from the Federation. We lost because the player Group Space Poultry lost the system and the main orbital. Luckily the NPC faction Xihe Free and Political and Federation group took over. However this makes it much easier for the system to change hands.

The Frogs are not the only Anarchy group pushing out there but they are a large one, some 600 players.

I hope this is not completely new news to you all and you were aware of this.

Not aware at all. probably because this isn't relevant to most people. Certainly isn't relevant to me. I recognize the name diamond frogs, but it means nothing to me.

 

[Crazy_One]

Bear, you cannot take on Vin without taking it on me too... Just don't, that would be sad

It is sad to see you and Vin decide to become murderers, killing traders just because.

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Update to the status, the Xihe Free had to go into lockdown @ Zhen because unknown Cmdrs were killing the security forces. The War is not over it has just moved to another phase.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Bear, you cannot take on Vin without taking it on me too... Just don't, that would be sad

It is sad to see you and Vin decide to become murderers, killing traders just because.

Yeah, besides, I was just following orders. If anyone deserves to be shot, it's Xabaras. That dude's a total dirtbag

Update to the status, the Xihe Free had to go into lockdown @ Zhen because unknown Cmdrs were killing the security forces. The War is not over it has just moved to another phase.

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Next time I'm in the area, I'll drop in and do a little good before moving on.