It's Official. Crime And Punishment is a Joke.

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

As some of you may recall, i recently joined PowerPlay, to get me some of those Packhounds.
The only way i could see to do this, was to murder some other PowerPlay NPC's, repeatedly. Alot.
You may also recall, i was going to host my own "Murder Cosmic Spacehead" mini game for newbies. Basically, I'd racked up a massive bounty, and i was going to take on a load of newbies, in a ship of their choosing.
Whoever won, would collect my bounty.

As of last week, my bounty was just shy of 500,000cr, in Wuru. Good enough to give a newbie a decent boost.

Anyhow, after grinding enough merits to keep me at rank 3 for 2 weeks, i went off to do some CGs and engineering.

Unfortunately, my ~500,000cr bounty expired over the weekend while i was busy with real life.
So i went back to Wuru, to continue my campaign of destruction (And grind some more PP merits).

I dropped in to the nav beacon and murdered my first Imperial Support ship.

6,000cr bounty for murder.

I check my transaction tab.

6,000cr bounty in Wuru.
I figured maybe i need to be KWSs by a bounty hunter. So I let all of the ships at the nav beacon scan my ship, and let rip. (It was funny, but ultimately pointless!)
I even killed more Imperial Support ships in front of them.

But my dormant bounty never returned.

Where's the rest? I definitely didn't pay it off.

All my hard work, gone.

Fix your crime and punishment system, FD.
I have newbies to feed!

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

 

[Minonian]

Someone really want to help the griefers to get away with their actions, without consequences...

About the other thing? An AI and a human player are really equal? tho blow up a stupid NPC, and destroy a human player are really weights the same? Obliviously not... If they are real AI's? But they are not!

Clean slate, after a serious offense immediately? This is how punishment works in life? without paying off your debts, your punishment, serving your time?

This is a joke right?

 

[Faded Glory]

What dormant bounty are you referring to?

Nothing you describe would get you a dormant bounty, the bounties that expired did just that, and are gone forever.

To get a dormant bounty, you need to be destroyed while you have a live bounty, and that bounty not be collected when you are destroyed.

Or did I misunderstand something?

 

[Minonian]

The problem is right now, the bounty does not gets dormant after destroying your ship, you don't have to pay off, it's simply disappears.

Way too easy!!!

The problem is, if there are no real consequences of your actions you learn nothing, because you don't have to, if you just simply sitting into a sidey you can open fire to the station, and get over with.

 

[MagicTofu]

Nothing you describe would get you a dormant bounty, the bounties that expired did just that, and are gone forever.

Aren't expired bounties converted into legacy fines that get added to the rebuy cost if your ship is destroyed in the relevant system?

 

[Minonian]

Aren't expired bounties converted into legacy fines that get added to the rebuy cost if your ship is destroyed in the relevant system?

Nope.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

My god. I don't even understand the system. Lol

I guess i have a 500,000cr fine in Wuru then... I'll have to dock and check it.

You'd think that the fine would turn back in to a bounty if i continued my murdering spree...?
I'm sure it used to work differently.

Maybe I need to suggest it does. It doesn't feel right.

Or at the very least, add 24 hours(or something) to the bounty timer for every ships murdered.
I've murdered at least 100 ships, so that'd be 107 days. Lol

 

[IndigoWyrd]

 

[Pville_Piper]

*sigh* Here we go again.... [sour]

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

*sigh* Here we go again.... [sour]

Did you even read my OP?

It's not a typical C&P rant. Lol

 

[Minonian]

My god. I don't even understand the system. Lol

I guess i have a 500,000cr fine in Wuru then... I'll have to dock and check it.

You'd think that the fine would turn back in to a bounty if i continued my murdering spree...?
I'm sure it used to work differently.

Maybe I need to suggest it does. It doesn't feel right.

Or at the very least, add 24 hours(or something) to the bounty timer for every ships murdered.
I've murdered at least 100 ships, so that'd be 107 days. Lol

In case of extreme griefing this can be justified. But against NPC's? Base time how it was, + increasing bounty, what you can't make go away by simply dying. Only? I think its better the time increase based on worth, instead of cases. like i don't know? Until 50K 1 week, 100K 2 week 500K? month... And so on, and after a limit, the local bounty too becoming interstellar.

But how it is right now? Stupid! But if FD wants to teach us there is no consequences of our actions? Way to go! Because whatever you do,m even if you play? Something is sticking in to your mind. This kind of thinking included... An not everyone is smart enough, to differentiate between life and game.

 

[Marc_Hicks]

The worse the crime, the longer the bounty stays active.....even after death....and repeated criminal acts should lengthen any pre-existing bounties against you in that jurisdiction. Even after a bounty expires, it should merely go dormant-unless paid off-and easily reactivated if your ship gets scanned.

Of course, if we had a karma system too, then your crimes would live on-in the minds of commanders & NPC's alike-long after all bounties have disappeared .

 

[Minonian]

The worse the crime, the longer the bounty stays active.....even after death....and repeated criminal acts should lengthen any pre-existing bounties against you in that jurisdiction. Even after a bounty expires, it should merely go dormant-unless paid off-and easily reactivated if your ship gets scanned.

Of course, if we had a karma system too, then your crimes would live on-in the minds of commanders & NPC's alike-long after all bounties have disappeared .

Yup, this is how it must be.

About karma system? i think fraction standings are a very basic karma system. What's necessary? To refine it.
Long after they are disappeared? in there with a karma system you can make changes by repairing your reputation, after justice served.

Not to mention, if there is no consequences of our actions, and the role we play? Than we can't do any real role playing. It's a little hard to be a pirate, if you not begin shunned and hunted by the authorities.

 

[Noctover]

Yep, crime and punishment dosent exist!

Wont comment further than that, post has the usual suspects going off on the same old recycled rant over and over. Post about power play turns in to the usual "griefer" garbage.

One day OP im sure it'll be fixed [up]

 

[Vandaahl]

Aren't expired bounties converted into legacy fines that get added to the rebuy cost if your ship is destroyed in the relevant system?

This is what I recall as well. There is even a flowchart floating around somewhere on this board.

Nope.

Do you have any source saying it was changed?

 

[Pville_Piper]

Did you even read my OP?

It's not a typical C&P rant. Lol

It doesn't matter how positive you spin it... Bio-waste always attracts flies!

 

[bigity]

I demand to be allowed to play how I want, any mode any time, any place!

I demand that others be punished for playing how they want!

 

[Minonian]

Do you have any source saying it was changed?

My experience. Killed some ships with switched off crime report, flew to the station because of the bouties i gained in this way sat into a sidey blew myself up by opening fire to the station, and after that, the bounties did not became dormant, just vanished.

Strange... Now, it's either a bug, or something changed in the system.

If you open fire to a criminal with switched off report, too early, and kill him than you got a bounty, but if you open fire to a criminal with report on, than you only get a fine because he is a criminal, and the situation known, this makes sense. But i don't know in case of turned off reports, the vanishing of bounties are intentional, or something overlooked by the dev's or a bug?

 

[Wasp0]

My reply to you OP, is not along the lines of your C & P query, but something else i noticed in your OP......

PP weapons.

You know you don't have to maintain any rank in PP EXCEPT just be rank 3 before the 4th week tick over. You will then earn the weapon/Shield that PP is offering, you leave and join the next one if desired.

So most you have to kill ie 25 ships in that 3rd week (25 x 30 =750). Thats all you need to get the PP weapons. In the 3 weeks leading up to that all important 4th week, just carry on as normal, but if you kill an opposing PP and carry the 'Points' around with you you will become a target for that PP and get attacked in Res and Nav places by 'CLEAN PP agents, meaning you have to hightail out of it.

Just a thought and you may well know that ?

Good hunting, and go for the pack hounds next, Tremendous fun, if not really that effective.

 

[Jukelo]

After one week without crimes a bounty becomes a legacy fine. If you're positive your latest crime is no older than a week you experienced a bug and should report it.

My experience. Killed some ships with switched off crime report, flew to the station because of the bouties i gained in this way sat into a sidey blew myself up by opening fire to the station, and after that, the bounties did not became dormant, just vanished.

If you respawn at a place where you are wanted the bounty (active or dormant) is added to your rebuy costs. Any bounty from another place will become dormant and will decay into a legacy fine after a week.