General / Off-Topic Incident At Westminster
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Mhhhmmm....That might be, but im not seeing it in the behavior of the society. What i seeing it is the very opposite.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...e-london-underground-after-westminster-attack
I like this!
I think you misunderstand us. We don't hate anyone... well except ISIS perhaps.
Didn't check the article. '93 sounds about right. Graduated high school in 94 and that trip was in year before the last.
It is the careless comments of the misinformed and the malicious comments of those who will use such things for their own propaganda. Stating such things like, 'the actions of one person affiliated to one religion, will anger everyone who does not share the same religion', is simply misinformed or ignorant. It is like an 'I speak for everyone', attitude. It is the way things are told to us, the careless and malicious comments, that can make us react in an inappropriate manner.Mhhhmmm....
We only see the things we focus on. Example: Today, the 20 year old gamer that enjoys my hospitality; left his room this afternoon in an unusual hurry and informed us that, that terrorists were attacking Westminster. This was about 4pm, TODAY and this was the first he had heard of it.
Yesterday. Three bangs, three gun shots, stared a mass panic. Hundreds of people stared to run, this properly became thousands within a minute. What those people running for their lives did not understand was, those three bangs, marked the end of the terror.
This thing that happened yesterday is not really a shock, well not to me. It has been coming, for a long time. People have been using vehicles to kills others for close to a century now. The truck attack in Europe has inspired this guy. Sooner or later, it had to happen here in the UK. The ring of steel was put in place, to protect against such things. Looking at the time and place, I am relived to see so few deaths and I am sad to see that so many were harmed. The media and press have been waiting for this, because they feed on such things, it IS their bread and butter. It has become another distraction, from the 'lack of funding issues', that were really beginning to gain the countries attention; issues that will affect and harm, far more people.
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One person died and about 50 injured, the place was cleared as a warning was given. It is very sad, that these issues have to come to that sort of thing, before they are resolved.
Minonian
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Take a look to the R right that's not rightful anger but irrational hate. Yes there are such thing as righteous anger, when we talking about a deed like this, and it does not makes you evil, or wrong, and sure as hell you don't have anger management issues if you feel bad because something like this, and want to put an end of it.
You think it is outlandish that a PM considers his/her outfit before a speech and that script writers try to find the angle with the most political gain? How is that partisan, its how politics work...
No I think it is outlandish use that to attack her. If there was an attack on Amsterdam do you think it would be appropriate for your PM to address the nation in his underpants and just say 'whatever'. I think not.
It's an attack on the the political and journalistic commercialization of this. It's an attack on making the whole thing quite attractive and exciting in order to personally gain from it, whether votes, advertising revenues, whatever.
Calling a press conference to announce "we will never waver" was particularly unseemly, I thought. A personal tragedy for many happened here, an attack on Britain there was not. A random British nutcase went on one with a knife and a car in what can only be described as a violent tantrum. A pathetic little man who's name should not be being used by ISIS right now to show how "martyrs never waver".
A statement in the house about the nature of the incident, and an explanation of what was being done to help the victims (plus a sincere promise to not charge the foreign victims for their medical treatment and to fly their families here if they wished) would have been, in my opinion the correct response.
I agree. It's a shame when people use an incident like this to pursue their personal agenda.
So I heard a crime happened involving a British citizen the other day. Tragic consequences.
But crimes happen every day in London. This one made the news because it's near parliament, but now it's got round the clock coverage because it's a "terrorist" incident?
I hate the media in this country.
But crimes happen every day in London. This one made the news because it's near parliament, but now it's got round the clock coverage because it's a "terrorist" incident?
I hate the media in this country.
Bad analysis. isis launched several appeals since years ago to incite all the jihadists in the world to commit attacks with their personal initiatives without to receive a mission order. The european jihadists, amateurs or professionals, who are thousands (and potentially tens of thousands), act as a franchise independent of the parent company. Appeal of isis : "Kill them (the Westerners) by any ways, with a knife, an ax, crush them with your car etc...."
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I appeal now to all the people of the earth:
STOP watching Michael Bay movies!
Also:
STOP buying crappy music!
Now, if people stop watching Michael Bay movies and people stop buying the crap that passes for music these days I will take sole credit.
No offense but here you are irresponsible. We speak here about war, criminal organization, international terrorism. Do not compare the appeals of a proto-state with your frivolities. We are not here in an artistic field, but in a fight which makes hundreds of thousands of deaths, and jihadists (amateurs and professionals) who have convictions all around the world ---- During the Second World War, the General De Gaulle, in England called the French to resist to the germans (appeal of 18 June 1940 on the BBC). And yes, many French people (amateurs and professionals) have heard the call of the General ...
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No offense but you've completely missed the point.
The logical connection isn't comparing the importance of each, but demonstrating the fallacy that requesting something automatically means that such requests will be fulfilled by others as a result.
Let me simplify this; ISIS demanding terrorist acts does not now mean that every terrorist act is connected to ISIS.
You confuse "to Do" and "to Stop"
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Wrong, the profiles of the terrorists are linked to the philosophy and the appeals of isis
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Yaffle
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The problem is that 'the media' and certain politicians try to say Muslim=terrorist. Which is untrue. The odd Muslim is, much as the odd Sikh, Christian, atheist or whatever. Look at the US, the vast majority of school shootings (which if perpetrated by a non-American would be called terror attacks) are perpetrated by white Christian males.
In the 1970s the IRA, a predominantly Catholic organisation, committed many terrorist offences killing many people both on the island of Ireland and on the UK mainland. At no point did people equate Catholics with Terrorism. There was a hatred of Irish (no blacks, no dogs, no Irish) but not a broad-brush all Irish are terrorists. Since the 'end' of The Troubles other organisations under the same goal more attacks, for example the Massereene Barracks, have been done by organisations with the same goal. In that case, as this, the IRA (well, Sin Fein) condemned the attack, other so-called dissident groups praised it. We didn't go against Catholics then. Here you have a situation where Islam has condemned the attack, bar some bizarre far away offshoot of it trying to claim it can strike anywhere to build its own part up.
In short - this is not about Islam v the west, just as much as The Troubles was not Catholics vs The Queen. It's a subset, and pretty much a minority subset. With over 1billion Muslims on the planet there would be a global horrific conflict if all of them wanted to 'end' every other religion.
And if they are not, you ignore all circumstances but those that fit your narrative.
This was not a highly trained jihadist warrior.
This was not the odd, "innocent" young male falling for an ideology.
This was not a well connected professional.
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