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[VR jefranklin18]

Or in other words, I don't respect your opinion but expect you to respect mine

 

[Pyrotiger]

Cool website, Hoopie!

 

[Gully Foyle]

As an ordained minister, please don't hunt. Show some compassion.

Ninja'd
Got cetaceans in your logo and you kill stuff?
Hey no drinkin' in the dens of iniquity Rev!

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Thanks, but I'll field this one myself.



Let me clear up some very common misconceptions, especially those held by folks who refuse to eat anything but grass that has died of natural causes.

1. There are two main kinds of hunters - those who respect nature, and respect the animals they hunt, who eat what they hunt, and leave very little to actually go to waste. Then there are those who simply shoot and kill things they have no intention of eating, simply because they can.

I happen to fall into the first category. I hunt deer, elk, bison and wild boars. I eat deer, elk, bison and wild boars. A deer or two taken provides enough high-quality, lean, healthy meat for me and my family for several months. An elk will last us half a year. A bison will feed us for a year at least. Wild boars will last a couple days, unless I happen to throw one of my somewhat famous wild hog roasts, in which case a wild boar will feed around 20 people an outstanding meal and is one heck of a great party too.

I do not condone so-called "sport" hunting. I consider it wasteful and disrespectful.

2. Animals like Deer are not particularly smart animals. They will over-graze an area, eating everything edible until the herd begins to perish from starvation, leaving sickly and dying deer to be hit by cars, or simply to perish of starvation. Hunting them helps control their population, ensuring a strong and healthy herd, and an abundance of food for the herds.

3. Wild Hogs are incredibly destructive, and not a native species to this part of the world. They reproduce at incredible rates and are absolutely devastating on the ecosystem. They destroy farmland, create hazards, often dig up buried power lines, gas lines, water lines, and wreck untold damage annually, which is why most states in the US impose nearly no restrictions or limitations on the hunting of wild boars.

4. Hunters do not want their quarry to suffer. A quick, clean kill is always preferred. This is far more compassionate than a deer that has its back legs crushed by an automobile and is simple avoided as a hazard by other drivers as the creature struggles to find a place to crawl off to and die a very miserable death.

5. Hunting is one of the most ancient and revered human traditions. It has sustained and united people for millions of years.

6. The overwhelming majority of hunters contribute more to the maintenance and upkeep of public lands annually then all the tree-huggers and grass-eaters combined. Speaking for myself, I cannot abide seeing litter, trash or waste on public lands, and remove an average of 200 gallons of garbage, litter and waste annually from the areas I hunt. This benefits not only the animals, but also every single person who visits these locations.

7. Organizations such as PETA are among some of the most inhumane in the world. "In all, PETA killed 1,456 cats and dogs in 2015, bringing the total PETA has reported killing to 34,970 since records began in the second half of 1998. Those unfortunate victims amounted to 73.76% of the total dogs and cats that entered PETA’s shelter. It’s a very high kill rate by normal measures, but given PETA has killed upwards of 97% of its charges in some years, the toll is low for the animal liberation group." - Source: https://www.consumerfreedom.com/2016/03/petas-pet-killing-claimed-1456-victims-in-2015/
While on the surface, organizations like this may present a compassionate public face, it is only a mask for the ugly truth that lies just beneath the surface.

While I do not disrespect your opinion, I do hope you take away from this at least some respect for my position as well.

Subsistence hunting is ethical.
Cull the wild boars sounds good.

Its the superstition crowd who cap sharks rhinos elephants and bears for 'meds' or trophy ipeens I dislike.

Oh, I'm a tree hugging Greenpeace member for 20 years

 

[dreamer1986]

Or in other words, I don't respect your opinion but expect you to respect mine

And what's the opinion of the animals I wonder? Oh right, it doesn't matter. Only the opinion of humans who have absolute power matters. Give me a break.

 

[rootsrat]

I think this thread is slowly (but steady) drifting offtopic. Please return it on the right track. It's not about hunting. Thanks

 

[VR jefranklin18]

Probably the same if killed on the Savannah in Africa.

I don't care one way or the other on hunting, however I fully respect people have the right to engage in any activity within the limits of the law and society without being preached at.

This is completely off topic for the original post (apologies OP) and I will let it rest there. Especially so I don't get a Mod ticking off

 

[dreamer1986]

I think this thread is slowly (but steady) drifting offtopic. Please return it on the right track. It's not about hunting. Thanks

You are correct, I will stop with this final post. Sorry, OP, but, but it was worth commenting a little, its an important issue.

I don't care one way or the other on hunting, however I fully respect people have the right to engage in any activity within the limits of the law and society without being preached at.

I do not agree. Some human activities need to be changed. For example since the 1970's half of the world's fish population was wiped out thanks to overfishing, and by 2050 its expected to be very hard to find fish in the ocean. And what can we say about the "legal" meat industry, the near extinction of orangutans, tigers, elephants, rhinos, and others. Habits and laws must be better analyzed and changed to the benefit of other species, not only humans.

And that's it, that's my final say on the topic. Have a good day!

 

[Garbarrage]

No. As a person with free will, I decide when its time to comment, and when I saw ordained minister and hunter in the same sentence something felt very wrong.



I have no idea why you would think bringing PETA into the discussion, its not relevant in any way. Its just an organization with its own methods and goals, sometimes controversial, sometimes not.

I know its a losing battle trying to argue with you, but what I hoped is that since you believe in a higher power, and the suffering of others is important to this religion, you would avoid causing harm and suffering to other beings as well. Arguing that the deer aren't smart makes no difference, its their life in their own animal universe, its not our business to judge them. We are simply another species. And don't think that you are doing nature a favor by killing boars, nature has its own ways of keeping balance, but again humans, by hunting the predators, like wolves, hurt the balance. And even though hunting is part of human history, today we truly have a choice to change our habits. Hunting has become a choice, and you truly can choose to let these animals live their lives how they see fit. They are put in a very bad position, with no real defenses again human technology, and compassion is the only hope for them. Human intelligence and resourcefulness is a curse for most beings in this world, but I naively still think there is hope if only people would understand the really tough position we put animals in. So many animals are driven to extinction by human interference, and all could be avoided with compassion. Please consider it.

Do you eat meat?

Responsible hunting is by far the most humane way of acquiring meat. Animals aren't hunted to extinction. You need to purchase tags to kill an animal. In that way their populations are regulated. They do not find balance by themselves. Species became extinct long before humans existed. In fact, hunting and the tagging/culling system in place is, if anything, artificially preventing extinctions.

You should probably do some more research.

Now, if you want to make this an argument about eating meat in general, that's fine. But there is nothing particularly inhumane about hunting as a method of acquiring meat.

Which is more inhumane, farming livestock and someone else killing your meat for you, or you personally killing an animal that belongs to a free-range managed population?

 

[Enderby]

Hey if you get your kicks out of killing animals then... great....

 

[DefiledDragon]

No. As a person with free will, I decide when its time to comment, and when I saw ordained minister and hunter in the same sentence something felt very wrong.

It's not your place to decide what is right and wrong. Feel free to dislike it and to voice your disapproval of it, but the fact that you dislike it doesn't give you the right to tell somebody else not to do it.

 

[dreamer1986]

Why do you continue and bring me back into this, even though I wanted to stop? A moderator will lock this, so please give it a break.

Do you eat meat?

I do not eat meat, and there is no "humane" way of acquiring it, either through hunting or the meat industry.

It's not your place to decide what is right and wrong. Feel free to dislike it and to voice your disapproval of it, but the fact that you dislike it doesn't give you the right to tell somebody else not to do it.

And its your place to decide for me then? I have every right to tell other people not do it, knowing what I know. Humans have every benefit imaginable and animals have almost none.

But please do not continue, its a losing battle on both sides, and you'll just get the thread locked.

 

[DNA-Decay]

Or derailed.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Closing.