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beelbeebub said:
I had the feeling since not long after the vote that, whatever the consequences, that the UK would have to leave.

The leave element needs to be given enough rope to hang itself. If Brexit didn't happen, the Leave element would be forever moaning about how it was robbed and how much better things would be outside the EU.

Now we get to.see how their promises stack up.

Maybe it will be as they say, in which case great, horray!

On the other hand if, as I suspect, it's a cluster fork, then the UK will have tried the ideas of the Eurosceptics , they are in charge, there is nowhere for them to hide (although I'm sure they will try to shift the blame).

If things don't go as advertised, I hope the UK will be able to rejoin the EU, and with the knowledge of what Brexit brought, engage constructively with our neighbours.
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I agree with everything in this. It worked on our populist "True Finns" party. Now that they've been in the governing coalition, their supporters have realised that they have nothing to back up their empty promises. Nothing kills populism faster than putting them in power, unless they manage a full power grab. If the power grab succeeds, then we get a situation like in Hungary or Turkey.

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Trinity Star said:
Seriously who still thinks we still have an empire or want a new one? Some of you folks have invented your own little dreamworld, I doubt some on here live in the real world and probably send their butler to do the shopping so they don't have to mix with working class folks.
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I guess you had some trouble following the arguments. Try reading them again.
 

Moonax IRL

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Trinity Star said:
Seriously who still thinks we still have an empire or want a new one? Some of you folks have invented your own little dreamworld, I doubt some on here live in the real world and probably send their butler to do the shopping so they don't have to mix with working class folks.
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I think you are getting some of the folks here mixed up with your Tory overlords who are as you've described.
 

verminstar

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Moonax IRL said:
A border poll will come in due course, Sinn Fein are only keeping the pressure on and will take their cue from the nationalist community. They were behind the curve in relation to how much anger there was in the nationalist community for the arrogance and contempt shown by the DUP et al. towards them, and had to harden their position in reflection of same. There are multiple pieces in play on the board atm, the northern statlet is being undermined from within by the nationalist agenda and the greening of the north along with the impending demographic dominance and without by Brexit, English nationalism & indifference as well as Scottish independence. We are in the last days of a failed experiment, the DUP et al. are only passengers, as there are multiple moving pieces that are totally beyond their control.

The unionist vote was up and one of the highest but still had only 1,200 votes to spare to stop Sinn Fein from being the largest party. I am confident that there is plenty in the nationalist tank and there will be a further increase in the nationalist vote in any upcoming elections, especially as the gap is so tight, whereas unionism is dwindling by the day. Hence the DUP`s lack of appetite for another election and calls for unionist unity etc. Time is on the nationalist/republican side and it can afford to wait for events to unfold with Brexit, and the Scots to continue on their relentless pursuit of independence. To think things are not going to change radically over the next few years is just willful delusion, but if it helps unionism to sleep at night, let them slumber in ignorance.
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Another border poll will come sooner rather than later, Ill give ye that but Im fairly confident how that will go and simply agree with both governments that now simply isnt the time. Not from the perspective of not wanting another election, but with brexit about to start, its really not the time and pushing fer it would do more harm than good to all sides.

Can assure ye I have no love fer the DUP either, considering how much of a risk it was to be part of why they lost their majority. There was another reason fer that and that was their ability to weild the petition of concern...that affects everyone on both sides and made some of us angry enough to withdraw support. That they plead fer unity now? Is that really so surprising? Unionism has never been unified...never in all its history has unionism been unified. If it had been unified, Gerry and Martin would never have set foot on the grounds of stormont.

On that note...condolences to the friends of Martin...as opposed as we are, some of us held him in high regard. He achieved more fer peace than others gave him credit for and managed to turn his back on his past...he deserves more respect than some would give him, and fer my part, my sympathies. He was one the greats and I grudgingly will miss his bake on the 6 oclock news.

Not gonna argue with ye on yer summary of the DUP...I actually agree with ye fer once, especially considering the names of those who benefitted from the original RHI were published after losing their high court bid to have those names kept hidden. It now proves many right and proves that politicians were in it up their necks and yet they are still in office...because...lawyers the other liar fer hire helped cover their tracks.

Tear chunks outta the DUP if ye want, Im too sore and too much in agreement with ye to even try and stop ye or argue with ye...knock yerself out, really I mean that this time ^
 

Moonax IRL

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verminstar said:
Another border poll will come sooner rather than later, Ill give ye that but Im fairly confident how that will go and simply agree with both governments that now simply isnt the time. Not from the perspective of not wanting another election, but with brexit about to start, its really not the time and pushing fer it would do more harm than good to all sides.

Can assure ye I have no love fer the DUP either, considering how much of a risk it was to be part of why they lost their majority. There was another reason fer that and that was their ability to weild the petition of concern...that affects everyone on both sides and made some of us angry enough to withdraw support. That they plead fer unity now? Is that really so surprising? Unionism has never been unified...never in all its history has unionism been unified. If it had been unified, Gerry and Martin would never have set foot on the grounds of stormont.

On that note...condolences to the friends of Martin...as opposed as we are, some of us held him in high regard. He achieved more fer peace than others gave him credit for and managed to turn his back on his past...he deserves more respect than some would give him, and fer my part, my sympathies. He was one the greats and I grudgingly will miss his bake on the 6 oclock news.

Not gonna argue with ye on yer summary of the DUP...I actually agree with ye fer once, especially considering the names of those who benefitted from the original RHI were published after losing their high court bid to have those names kept hidden. It now proves many right and proves that politicians were in it up their necks and yet they are still in office...because...lawyers the other liar fer hire helped cover their tracks.

Tear chunks outta the DUP if ye want, Im too sore and too much in agreement with ye to even try and stop ye or argue with ye...knock yerself out, really I mean that this time ^
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I`m not out to gloat at the expense of any community or anyone for that matter, the DUP have left down working class protestants more than anyone else. As for religion I couldn`t give a fiddlers what anyone wants to do on a Sunday morning and much rather take a person as I find them. I think most unionists in the North would have a lot more in common with the rest of the people North and South in their mannerisms, sense of humour and day to day worries etc, than with anyone in Westminster, that`s why I have always felt the destiny of Ireland should be in the hands of its people. In the final analysis we are probably a lot more alike than we`d care to admit. In regards to Martin McGuinness, he is a big loss to Ireland and especially his family, but he has put in the hard yards and there are plenty willing to put their shoulder to the wheel, the ideal was always bigger that any one individual or organisation.
When the day does come for a United Ireland and if you do choose to stay to help build a better country, you and yours will have the same rights and protections as the rest of us, no more and no less, and I`d hope you`d would be willing to stand up for my rights as I would for yours if needed. That is the essence of a republic.
 

verminstar

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Moonax IRL said:
I`m not out to gloat at the expense of any community or anyone for that matter, the DUP have left down working class protestants more than anyone else. As for religion I couldn`t give a fiddlers what anyone wants to do on a Sunday morning and much rather take a person as I find them. I think most unionists in the North would have a lot more in common with the rest of the people North and South in their mannerisms, sense of humour and day to day worries etc, than with anyone in Westminster, that`s why I have always felt the destiny of Ireland should be in the hands of its people. In the final analysis we are probably a lot more alike than we`d care to admit. In regards to Martin McGuinness, he is a big loss to Ireland and especially his family, but he has put in the hard yards and there are plenty willing to put their shoulder to the wheel, the ideal was always bigger that any one individual or organisation.
When the day does come for a United Ireland and if you do choose to stay to help build a better country, you and yours will have the same rights and protections as the rest of us, no more and no less, and I`d hope you`d would be willing to stand up for my rights as I would for yours if needed. That is the essence of a republic.
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True story this...one my best buds back in early 90s was a guy I met while on remand. He was murdered by the UVF, shot in the back of the head as they walked up behind him because they claimed he was a serving IRA volunteer. I know fer a fact he wasnt because him and his girl were moving to scotland to try and start a new life away from this hateful place. I was ordered to leave belfast because he was my m8 but...long time ago times have changed.

Thats when I started to think and wonder...thats was the exact event that changed my life. So who knows...

Also, my sisters first and second husbands were both catholic and both her brats are being brought up catholic and Im their godfather. Its never been about religion although it used to be...just not anymore if ye know what I mean. The only real difference between us is where we came from and too many of us still allow that to define us.

I just want it to stop...I dont want my daughter growing up like I did...that I fear most of all ^
 
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Patrick_68000

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Today the countdown has started towards a historical event. For the first time in the history, a major country will officialize its exit from the EU. Certainly many bottles of champagne among the partisans. It is impressive to see a block of the size of a country, in movement
 

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Patrick_68000 said:
Certainly many bottles of champagne among the partisans.
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Absolutely nothing to see, but let's get the party pants ready:

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EdzUp said:
Its just a small leak I will get the bucket ;)
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At least brits have style.

"captain goes first .. me me me first!":
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(Better watch those Brexiteer Politicians - if they move to the lifeboats ... )

And I hear them Champagne corks popping already....
In the European Union, "Champagne" is a Protected Designation of Origin, and so cannot be used within the EU on wines (especially sparkling wines) which do not originate from the Champagne wine-producing region of France. Several other countries have also granted some protection to "Champagne" in connection with wines.

Mes dames et Monsieurs, je vous presente votre nouvel Champagne:
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Man, they got really fancay over time. Still 5 quid for 2, though so all well.

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Monk

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Patrick_68000 said:
Today the countdown has started towards a historical event. For the first time in the history, a major country will officialize its exit from the EU. Certainly many bottles of champagne among the partisans. It is impressive to see a block of the size of a country, in movement
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It is momentous history in the making, I'll give it that, and my popcorn has too little butter.
 

Tafmeister

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Tomorrow I predict...

A fall in the pound
A rise in FTSE 100
Some Remainers to go on about the Beginning of the Apocalypse on social media
Some Remainers to take to the streets and throw a protest
Corbyn to be at the rally and say some words - maybe replace Corbyn with that Lib Dem leader - Fallon is it?
Some Brexiters to hold a street party
Trump to dip three toes in and say how brave the UK is
Business as usual for the rest of the UK as nothing actually happens other than the receipt of the expected letter
 
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Fyrd Judge

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Germany owes £300billion to the USA and they refuse to honour their commitments , tut tut tut.

Hilarious and Delicious irony to see that the EU countries who refused to pay up into NATO for over 12 years are getting bills, net worth nearly a £trillion pounds from our cousins the USA.

Now here is the irony, If the EU don't honour their commitments that they signed up to with NATO, why the hell should we pay a EU divorce bill that we never signed up to? Regardles of the fact UK lawyers say we dont have to pay a thing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nce-ignore-usa-germany-spending-a7650636.html
 
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Boomer Kay

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Fyrd Judge said:
Germany owes £300billion to the USA and they refuse to honour their commitments , tut tut tut.

Hilarious and Delicious irony to see that the EU countries who refused to pay up into NATO for over 12 years are getting bills, net worth nearly a £trillion pounds from our cousins the USA.
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That's not how the NATO works, but ok, we know that's the newest malfunction of the Trump admirers.

When did the UK abolish Conscription? 1961? Hmkay, you owe use Fantastillions for keeping a large conscript army over 40 years during the cold war that would have stopped any invasion at the Rhine.
 
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Fyrd Judge

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Boomer Kay said:
That's not how the NATO works, but ok, we know that's the newest malfunction of the Trump admirers.

When did the UK abolish Conscription? 1961? Hmkay, you owe use Fantastillions for keeping a large conscript army over 40 years during the cold war that would have stopped any invasion at the Rhine.
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Incorrect it does, Germany accepts they signed up to pay a yearly fee, as all the other EU countries, they are all moaning about the fee.

As for trump, he loves our country (his mother was a Brit) and as the leader of the only country in the world, who has the power to screw the EU over ,i welcome him and sit back and watch him annoy the EU for the next few years with great amusement:) Because May and Trump are now working together on helping us get a fair deal with the EU and if they don't give us one, America joins in and causes them mayhem.

Next on his agenda is the huge tariff increases on all trade to the US ...LOL

The EU will learn never to threaten the UK and instead they should remember who it was that liberated them in the 1940's and what they owe us, arrogant, selfish lot. Next time we will not be helping.
 
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Fyrd Judge said:
Incorrect it does, Germany accepts they signed up to pay a yearly fee, as all the other EU countries, they are all moaning about the fee.

As for trump, he loves our country (his mother was a Brit) and as the leader of the only country in the world, who has the power to screw the EU over ,i welcome him and sit back and watch him annoy the EU for the next few years with great amusement:) Because May and Trump are now working together on helping us get a fair deal with the EU and if NOT America joins in.

Next on his agenda is the huge tariff increases on all trade to the US ...LOL

The EU will learn never to threaten the UK.
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Here's the NATO report:
http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2016_01/20160128_SG_AnnualReport_2015_en.pdf

Instead of regurgitating rubbish, go make me a case.

And here's the actual statement by NATO:
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm

And this is the "annual fee" you're talking about:
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The total annual budget of those spendings is about 1.5 billion for 2017 (and was lower before) - Drumpf is just a complete Ponzi Scheme buffoon without the slightest grasp of budgeting. That guy could not even properly finance a fridge without his army of lawyers.

My god, 2 aspects to a topic and it's already too hard to follow.
 
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Fyrd Judge

Fyrd Judge
Boomer Kay said:
Here's the NATO report:
http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2016_01/20160128_SG_AnnualReport_2015_en.pdf

Instead of regurgitating rubbish, go make me a case.

And here's the actual statement by NATO:
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm
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LOL incorrect again. Instead of posting useless links about Nato and trying to give the impression you know what your talking about, when clearly you have NO IDEA, i suggest you read the facts.

Here is the detail of Defence Expenditure of NATO Countries (2009-2016)

Defence Expenditure of NATO Countries (2009-2016)

I say again , they all agreed to pay a yearly sum and most EU countries have refused to pay their full amount over 12 years and i have proven it. (I suggest you read this sentence TWICE, it is very clear what i state)

Your image does not show what they owe todate and how much they have been actually paying, your image just states what they SHOULD BE paying in....lol

Let me help you on choosing the correct image that refers to the original comment i made and that you failed to do.
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Sorry for correcting your:
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Boomer Kay

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Fyrd Judge said:
I say again , they all agreed to pay a yearly sum and most EU countries have refused to pay their full amount over 12 years and i have proven it. (I suggest you read this sentence TWICE, it is very clear what i state)

Your image does not show what they owe todate and how much they have been actually paying, your image just states what they SHOULD BE paying in....lol
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That's the defense spending.
Nothing to do with the "financial contribution" to NATO.


I say again , they all agreed to pay a yearly sum and most EU countries have refused to pay their full amount over 12 years and i have proven it.
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