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I'm usually an advocate for a regulated free market but "Bendy Bananas"? What on Earth does such a regulation accomplish or protect?

The civil servant who thought it up...his job...or in the case of the EU, an entire think tank plus legal fees ^
 
I'm usually an advocate for a regulated free market but "Bendy Bananas"? What on Earth does such a regulation accomplish or protect?

Without checking, I'm pretty sure it's one of those recommendations that never became law anywhere. Have you looked into grade A peach shape requirements in the US? This is essentially the same thing.

It's actually marginally more sane when it comes to the bananas, as each and every Cavendish you're likely to see at a shop is from the same clone. If individual bananas look in any way unusual, something has probably gone wrong there.
 
I'm usually an advocate for a regulated free market but "Bendy Bananas"? What on Earth does such a regulation accomplish or protect?

It was basically made up by Boris Johnson.

In other words, even the positives of Brexit are made up.

Not necessarily, that's just to have a referendum. Westminster may try stop it being legally binding, or from taking place at all, and of course there's always the danger that it would return another no vote. We've not left yet, but our bags are packed and we're looking out the window for the taxi.

In addition to my other post there is another possibility - May allows the referendum, fights it, and wins. This would actually strengthen her position considerably.

The rumours are out now that she is already going to block it any possible referendum, once again an unforced error from the May government.
 
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Scottish deputies approved today by a vote of 69 votes against 59, that their Prime Minister Nicola Sturgeon to ask for the organization of a new referendum on the independence ... 10 votes of difference ? Well, we can not say that it is the general enthusiasm. And after Sturgeon must get the permission of May and Wesminster. We can say this evening that the referendum is buried. This evening the Brexit is a reality and the UK keeps the Scotland within it. No crazy the UK, he is not going to give the Scotland to the EU
 
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I'm usually an advocate for a regulated free market but "Bendy Bananas"? What on Earth does such a regulation accomplish or protect?

Unsurprisingly, there was significant spin put on the bendy bananas regulations, necessary to get the right people riled up and voting the way they were supposed to. Besides, I'm pretty sure The Sun wouldn't miss a chance to run the headline "Barmy Brussels Bans Bendy Bananas!" for their more intellectual readers.
 
I'm usually an advocate for a regulated free market but "Bendy Bananas"? What on Earth does such a regulation accomplish or protect?

Right the old bendy banana regulation.

There are no eu regulations on the acceptable bendyness or otherwise of bananas.

However there are regulations harmonising the classification of bananas (and other fruit and veg) for wholesale.

Prior to harmonisation there was a patchwork of conventions for classifying produce for wholesale. Remember a wholesaler might be buying tons of product sight unseen.

A top spec orange might be called "class 1" in France or "type A" in Spain or "premium" in Italy or "grade A" in the UK. Each classification might also be different, grade A might be between 50 and 70mm, whilst type 1 might be 55-105mm and premium might be 80-90mm.

This meant confusion and problems ordering product across Europe. A batch from Italy might be a different spec from a batch from.Spain (not bananas obviously).

The EU instituted a common classifications so a British supermarket could know exactly what "class a" oranges or apples would be regardless of them being Spanish, French or Italian.

The rules were hammered out from.existing wholesaler across the continent, some from the UK,some from France, Germany etc.

It's just a little thing that us actually pretty sensible and helps make things run smoother.

Who remembers asking if anyone had a sony/Motorola/nokia charger?

It's much better now everyone uses the same charger and it allow less waste as new phones can be shipped with no charger....

You think the manufacturers cooked that one up themselves?

Blame the EU for that bit of over intrusive bit of red tape....
 
Also.....

I'm.the telegraphs barrel scraping list of regulations to repeal....

The ban on incandescent light bulbs?!

Really?

What kind of idiot would want to go back to bulbs that burn more power and last a fraction if the time.

Actually, a Daily Mail reader. They'd eat a bucket of poo if you told them the EU banned serving human excrement at restaurants.

The vacuum cleaner power rules were once championed by brexit supporter James Dyson, who got the hump when the EU wouldn't mandate his preferred lower power limit (which his patented tech made easier for him to meet, thus causing his German competitors a lot of problems) and went for the 1600w interim limit. Prior to that a common tactic amongst manufacturers was to put a more powerful but less efficient motor in so they could claim "most powerful" vacuum status. Dyson actually went to court over this with hoover saying that the suction was the relevant measure not the electrical input power. Just before the ban came in the DM offered a special deal.to it's readers to buy a "more powerful" pre limit hoover. the manufacturer must have been laughing as they got to sell a load of near worthless overstock.
 
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Ok, that makes sense (bendy bananas). Though, in this case, I think classification should be done by the industry, but that is personal opinion. The regulation seems less about regulation and more about standardization rather than consumer safety. For that reason, I'm not bothered one way or the other.
 
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Ok, that makes sense (bendy bananas). Though, in this case, I think classification should be done by the industry, but that is personal opinion. The regulation seems less about regulation and more about standardization rather than consumer safety. For that reason, I'm not bothered one way or the other.
Well, it's about market access and transparency.
The industry only standardizes where it can save a buck, everything else is just stupid market manipulation trough sheer size.
Started my career writing logistics software for the car industry. There were standards. None of the big manufacturers followed them.
Basically you shut out competition, create an environment where suppliers are tied to you and you can dictate conditions and when you drop them the profit margins are just not high enough to change your supply chain to a new customer.
 
This is what happens when we don't have regulations and limitations that support the consumer. If we did then consumers would have the power to compel industry to standardize if it made sense for the consumer. So many tout the efficacy of free market but then turn around and support policies that are inherently against free market and, instead, support consolidation, monopolization, and deregulation (policies which reduce choice).

Regulations, in my opinion, should be there to empower the consumer to be the primary beneficiary of free market processes.

Again, I pull us away from brexit...sorry (threxit)
 
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Ok, that makes sense (bendy bananas). Though, in this case, I think classification should be done by the industry, but that is personal opinion. The regulation seems less about regulation and more about standardization rather than consumer safety. For that reason, I'm not bothered one way or the other.

The commission as asked by the council of ministers and industry to come up with an EU wide scheme. This was not something rammed down the industry's throat. The industry used the EUC as a sort o impartial broker. Input (I.e. Looking at all he existing standards) from industry was taken and the EUC "merged" it all into one package that all parties could agree too.

The bulk of EU regulations are like that. Sure some regulations are not great for business (newt and bat regulations are a eight pain for anyone involved in construction) but it's not all.about business. The other interests like conservation, the environment, workers rights and so on also get a voice.

GM crops have been extremely regulated in the EU to the point of being nearly banned. But the impetus for this didn't come or of a bureaucrats' head. It came from sustained lobbying by environmental groups.

Likewise the aforementioned bats and newt regulations. Yeah as someone this has adversely impacted I'd not she a tear if they went,but I acknowledge that for some people it's a big issue.

I find it funny that the right think the EU is some sort of euro socialist plot against big business and the left think it's a corporate front to crush the workers and destroy the environment.
 
I find it funny that the right think the EU is some sort of euro socialist plot against big business and the left think it's a corporate front to crush the workers and destroy the environment.
That's pretty much the best advert for the EU I can think of, from the perspective of ordinary European citizens.
 
Scottish deputies approved today by a vote of 69 votes against 59, that their Prime Minister Nicola Sturgeon to ask for the organization of a new referendum on the independence ... 10 votes of difference ? Well, we can not say that it is the general enthusiasm. And after Sturgeon must get the permission of May and Wesminster. We can say this evening that the referendum is buried. This evening the Brexit is a reality and the UK keeps the Scotland within it. No crazy the UK, he is not going to give the Scotland to the EU

I am really starting to question your comprehension skills here Patrick, and I wonder are you a true Frenchman who supports the Republic or somebody whose ancestors were part of the French royal clique that managed to escape the guillotine. In all seriousness, at which point do you believe that the democratic will of the Scottish people should be respected and how do you believe that anyone has the right to give Scotland to anyone.

I mean what kind of ridiculous rubbish are you on about?
 
Scottish deputies approved today by a vote of 69 votes against 59, that their Prime Minister Nicola Sturgeon to ask for the organization of a new referendum on the independence ... 10 votes of difference ? Well, we can not say that it is the general enthusiasm. And after Sturgeon must get the permission of May and Wesminster. We can say this evening that the referendum is buried. This evening the Brexit is a reality and the UK keeps the Scotland within it. No crazy the UK, he is not going to give the Scotland to the EU
At 54/46 the result of the Scottish parliament was more.definitive than the 52/48 referendum.....
 
I am really starting to question your comprehension skills here Patrick, and I wonder are you a true Frenchman who supports the Republic or somebody whose ancestors were part of the French royal clique that managed to escape the guillotine. In all seriousness, at which point do you believe that the democratic will of the Scottish people should be respected and how do you believe that anyone has the right to give Scotland to anyone.

I mean what kind of ridiculous rubbish are you on about?

The margin is also much wider than on the Brexit vote, which he holds sacred.

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For May to refuse a referendum would play right into the hands of the SNP and their "England rules you" message, severely weakening the position of Wesminster in Scottish politics.

It will give masses of ammunition for her political opponents in Scotland, in the UK, and even in Europe as she tries to sell Brexit as the "will of the people" whilst refusing to grant Scotland a say.

If she allows the referendum, fights and loses, her position is even weaker.

In addition to my other post there is another possibility - May allows the referendum, fights it, and wins. This would actually strengthen her position considerably.

The rumours are out now that she is already going to block it any possible referendum, once again an unforced error from the May government.

Staggering though it may be to Scottish nationalists, but the British prime minister can't get distracted from the Brexit stuff by this side-show. There seems to be an expectation at the moment that the government should make the process voted for by 17.4m British citizens more cumbersome (for both the UK and the EU) on account of the wishes of the 2.5m-odd supporting Independence. Although Scottish voters may feel put out that this isn't higher up the agenda, but in practical terms she'd be shafting the rest of the UK and annoying the EU even more.

Look at it from the EU's position. How on Earth could they practically negotiate with a state in that scenario? Take the proposed divorce settlement alone - imagine how much more complex a near-future Scottish independence referendum would make that topic alone.
 
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Theresa May signed the official letter to stipulate that the UK launches the negotiations of the divorce from the European Union, according to a photo broadcasted on Tuesday at 11 pm ( the hour French time ) by its services.

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Staggering though it may be to Scottish nationalists, but the British prime minister can't get distracted from the Brexit stuff by this side-show. There seems to be an expectation at the moment that the government should make the process voted for by 17.4m British citizens more cumbersome (for both the UK and the EU) on account of the wishes of the 2.5m-odd supporting Independence. Although Scottish voters may feel put out that this isn't higher up the agenda, but in practical terms she'd be shafting the rest of the UK and annoying the EU even more.

Look at it from the EU's position. How on Earth could they practically negotiate with a state in that scenario? Take the proposed divorce settlement alone - imagine how much more complex a near-future Scottish independence referendum would make that topic alone.

Have a look at history, when do seismic events ever happen at an opportune time. The question of independence for Scotland is not for the EU or UK, its solely for the Scots to decide. The Tory right wing have created the situation and the price will be paid for same. Personally in my view its simple, if the UK government try to delay or frustrate a second ref for 4-5 yrs, then the Scottish government should take their democratic mandate and hold the 2nd ref to their own timetable before the end of the 2 yrs and with the full knowledge of the deal which will have been concluded in the next 18 mths for consideration by the the 27 governments, plus the EU Parliament. Then if they win, withdraw their MP`s from Westminster and declare a UDI. That is a perfectly democratic start for any modern nation to begin with.
 
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Paris and London launch a project of missile. Paris and London today signed an agreement for the launch of the future missile project with the European group MBDA, confirming the Franco-British strategic link despite the Brexit. London and Paris have not stopped since the British vote in favor of the Brexit to mark their attachment to the Franco-British strategic relationship and to ensure that it would not be affected by the exit of the UK from the EU ---- And well, here is an additional confirmation which the EU has no interest to weaken the UK
 
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