Hardware & Technical Thrustmaster Warthog vrs Saitek X-56

Greetings,

After using both here's my impressions of the two controllers and how they
compare to each other in actual gameplay. I went for lots of detail rather
than it's great or it's awful. Hope it helps someone.

Thrustmaster Warthog - $449.99

Heavy weight. Not going to move around much on a desk.
Mostly metal construction.
Designed for X-10 type atmospheric aircraft flight simulation.
Programmable lighting and controls.
Joystick and throttle action precise and smooth from day one.
Solid heavy to push buttons and controls.
Less controls versus the X-56.
Most hats are smaller and require more force than the X-56 to move.
No joystick yaw. Optional rudder pedals available.
Twice the physical throttle travel versus the X-56.
Metal joystick and center throttle sections always cold to the touch.
(Now I know why pilots wear gloves!)

Joystick
Fixed joystick tension. Can be modified out of warranty by the user.
1 x 8-way “point of view” hat
2 x 8-way hats
1 x 4-way hat with push button
1 x metal dual stage trigger
2 x push buttons
2 x pinkie push buttons

Throttle
1 x TRIM wheel
2 x push buttons
5 x 2-position switches (2 permanent)
2 x 3-position switches (1 momentary + 2 permanent)
2 x 3-position switches (3 permanent)
1 x throttle friction wheel - precise adjustment

Saitek X-56 - $249.99

Medium weight. Use kitchen shelf non-slip pads to keep in place on a desk.
Mostly plastic construction.
Designed for PC gaming and simulations.
Programmable lighting and controls.
Joystick and throttle action requires breaking in per excess grease lubrication
to become precise and smooth.
Lighter easy to push buttons and controls.
More controls versus the Warthog.
Hats are large and require less force than the Warthog to move.
Joystick yaw. Optional rudder pedals available.
Half the physical throttle travel versus the Warthog.
Plastic joystick and throttle always room temperature.

Joystick
Multiple springs for adjusting tension.
1 x 4/8 way selectable "point of view" hat
2 x 4/8 way selectable hats
1 x 4 way analog stick with push button
1 x plastic single stage trigger
2 x push buttons
2 x pinkie push buttons

Throttle
5 x TRIM wheels 2 with push buttons
3 x push buttons
1 x 2 position slide permanent
1 x 2 position slide spring centering
2 x 4 way hats
1 x 4 way analog stick with push button
7 x 2 position toggle with full spring centering
1 x 3 position mode switch (3 complete sets of controls)
1 x throttle friction wheel - poor adjustment per grease interference

Overall Impression

Programming the controls the X-56 toggle switches use 2 position momentary
with full spring return to center. This works nicely with ED looking for momentary
commands. A single switch can then have 2 commands as in push forward then
release for ship lights on/off and pull backward for cargo scoop deploy/retract.
Most Warthog toggle switches are 2/3 position permanent which is excellent for
aircraft controls as in 3 position flaps, 2 position landing gear and on/off controls
as in autopilot, APU. For ED they require some adaptation to be used as momentary
switches versus an always on state.

The Saitek X-56 is an exceptional design perfectly suited for ED with large
hats and easy to push controls. It out performs the Warthog in a pure gaming
design with many more programmable controls plus times three modes with a
minimum of additional keyboard/gamepad/mouse commands. It's main weakness
is durability and product reliability per wiring and spring issues starting with the
X-55 series. Power requirements often requires a powered USB hub versus direct
USB connection to the computer.

The Thrustmaster Warthog is also well designed with excellent durability and
reliability. It excels with solid engineering/components but at the cost of much
stiffer and harder to push controls, higher joystick resistance and twice the throttle
travel of the X-56. A player's hands and arms are going to get a workout. Still it is
an excellent choice and just requires more keyboard/mouse/gamepad commands to
complete the ED bindings.

Just one observation. You decide.

Regards
 
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I have never used the Saitek offerings after reading multiple reports of build quality issues.
My Warthog has seen some heavy use over the last couple of years and has developed multiple faults in the throttle assembly. All of the faults are with the buttons either not working or jamming on.... The worst was the "pinky" button on the front left of the throttle which I had mapped to the boost function..... It suddenly jammed on as I was landing in an Orbis station slamming me around inside the station until I exploded...... And I caught a fine from the station for landing like a plonker...
Now all of the push buttons on the throttle assembly have failed... This is annoying as the Warthog HOTAS is an awesome bit of kit
I am toying with the idea of a replacement ..... but £££££!!!!
 
You can program the warthog in a gazillion ways, I presume you didn't use the T.A.R.G.E.T software :)
 
Ch Pro throttle with Warthog stick and some good rudder pedals all the way.

Z...
 
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Thanks for the comparison. Currently I'm on Logitech 3D Pro (and due to lack of comparison, I like it). Been thinking about upgrading and almost decided to get Warthog, but that price... I'm following X56 reviews as it feels like perfect solution. But there's "but", as always - durability and reliability. I know that X56 is now labelled as Logitech (as they bought Saitek) but research shows that it's SSDP. Sadly. Looks like Logitech just rebranded package and until 2nd batch made with Logitech QA it's a bit tricky to buy this HOTAS.

From what I see, and your versus proves that, X56 is a perfect solution with great possibilities to value. The only thing that stops me from buying it is common problems with overall quality and common malfunctions.
 
Heads up as a warthog user:

Remember they are modelled on RL controls.

Go look at the cockpit for a Warthog...

(spoiler alert!!!)
Fairchild_Republic_A-10A_Thunderbolt_II_cockpit_2_USAF.jpg

Now tell me where the stick is ;)

The HOTAS certainly feels big to start with, but I've found the sheer precision outclasses anything else I have used when used with yaw pedals, and that whole thing of having to make an effort to use it completely disappears when the stick/throttle aren't a few metres above and to the side of you like the monkey bars of an extreme chopper motorcycle...
 
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I'm on my second Warthog wouldn't have any other HOTAS my last one failed after aprox 4-5 years of heavy use & it was my fault i was in a bad mood & was way way too heavy handed & crushed the main trigger LOL

the T.A.R.G.E.T. Software is just the best device programing kit i have ever used so many options lol

I have not used a Saitek device in years i did in the past & i found Saitek's build quality to be very poor
 
I'm on my second Warthog wouldn't have any other HOTAS my last one failed after aprox 4-5 years of heavy use & it was my fault i was in a bad mood & was way way too heavy handed & crushed the main trigger LOL

the T.A.R.G.E.T. Software is just the best device programing kit i have ever used so many options lol

I have not used a Saitek device in years i did in the past & i found Saitek's build quality to be very poor

I may have to invest in a new one soon too if my Throttle gets anymore problems...

Repped for your name alone!
 
I may have to invest in a new one soon too if my Throttle gets anymore problems...

Repped for your name alone!

You can change / replace the switches without too much trouble apparently. My mate's flight sim outfit has had all the switches changed to overcome the "flick twice" issue and the pinky switch is in it's third incarnation I believe. A bit of internet searching should give you all the guidance needed to rejuvenate your brick and save you over £200. ;)
 
Dont know about the X56, but I had owned two X52s, they both broke within a month.
So I dont even look at the brand any more. I still have my CH Products ANALOG gear from the 90s, still works. (try and find a midi port :)

The flight model is so simple here, I use a cheapie Thrustmaster now.
 
You can program the warthog in a gazillion ways, I presume you didn't use the T.A.R.G.E.T software :)

Actually I did. Both have excellent software for programming lighting and controls. For direct binding to the ED in-game controls without using profiles the X-56 has the advantage.

Thanks for the comparison. Currently I'm on Logitech 3D Pro (and due to lack of comparison, I like it). Been thinking about upgrading and almost decided to get Warthog, but that price... I'm following X56 reviews as it feels like perfect solution. But there's "but", as always - durability and reliability. I know that X56 is now labelled as Logitech (as they bought Saitek) but research shows that it's SSDP. Sadly. Looks like Logitech just rebranded package and until 2nd batch made with Logitech QA it's a bit tricky to buy this HOTAS.

From what I see, and your versus proves that, X56 is a perfect solution with great possibilities to value. The only thing that stops me from buying it is common problems with overall quality and common malfunctions.

I cannot help you with that decision. My X-55 lasted 3 years before requiring replacement but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule. If you decide on the X-56 I would also recommend getting the longest extended warranty as insurance. Given some of the replies so far it's probably a good idea for the Warthog as well. Both can receive a lot of abuse especially when one loses a 45M rebuy Cutter!

Heads up as a warthog user:...Remember they are modelled on RL controls....Go look at the cockpit for a Warthog (picture)...Now tell me where the stick is ;)

The HOTAS certainly feels big to start with, but I've found the sheer precision outclasses anything else I have used when used with yaw pedals, and that whole thing of having to make an effort to use it completely disappears when the stick/throttle aren't a few metres above and to the side of you like the monkey bars of an extreme chopper motorcycle...

Both have good precision once the X-56 is broke in. It's that excessive grease issue. The Warthog does require the proper playing position more so than the X-56 to reduce the physical effort maneuvering the joystick and throttle. That's probably a good thing for long term play.

The U.S. Air Force endorsement for the Warthog for realism is certainly an attractive feature. Many purchased the sleek looking X-52 series as the styling blends nicely with the Imperial ship designs. Maybe Logitech will someday offer the X-56 with an Elite logo and the screen printed graphics in ED orange. That will start several I love it/hate it threads! :)

I may have to invest in a new one soon too if my Throttle gets anymore problems...

Repped for your name alone!

LOL. Yes, Hooplah does fit well with most anything I write about! That's why I like the username. :)
 
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I have never used the Saitek offerings after reading multiple reports of build quality issues.
My Warthog has seen some heavy use over the last couple of years and has developed multiple faults in the throttle assembly. All of the faults are with the buttons either not working or jamming on.... The worst was the "pinky" button on the front left of the throttle which I had mapped to the boost function..... It suddenly jammed on as I was landing in an Orbis station slamming me around inside the station until I exploded...... And I caught a fine from the station for landing like a plonker...
Now all of the push buttons on the throttle assembly have failed... This is annoying as the Warthog HOTAS is an awesome bit of kit
I am toying with the idea of a replacement ..... but £££££!!!!

The Pinkey Switch is the Achilles Heel of the Warthog, but I've been able to fix any other throttle "anomalies" with a good cleaning. Dust and hand oils will eventually start to gum up switch contacts and do need to be cleaned at around 2 years of heavy use.

The Pinkey switch is the one item that is hard to find an exact replacement for, otherwise these things feel like they will last a lifetime. For that reason I don't have the Pinkey key programmed to a commonly used function. I have boost mapped to the right toe brake on my rudder pedals. It works really well after you get used to remembering NOT to press down inside a station. :eek:
 
You can program the warthog in a gazillion ways, I presume you didn't use the T.A.R.G.E.T software :)

This :)

From what I can see there is not a significant difference in the number of controls on each unit. Give or take some variation/positioning.

Main difference I would stipulate (and this is based off my X55 experience) is the quality difference. Saitek feels like a toy, TM feels more accurate & real if I can put it such a way.

Personal preference though, I did really like my X55 at the time, but didn't last out 500hrs, and less than 50 before having smaller issues. Warthog is over 600hrs now, and still feels brand new. Worth the extra money IMO.
 
I was an x52 pro owner....the only downside was the ps2 connection ports becoming unstable/loose after a couple of years. With Sugru and a bit of time I managed to fix it. Besides this it never let me down. An excellent Hotas imo. There are many that have bought x52s and 52 pros that have been so disappointed with them that they won't go near them again, but I never found this...guess I was lucky! It was a a fantastic hotas for Ed with more buttons and switches etc than you could wish for. I say WAS..because I gave it to my son when I was bought a Warthog two months ago for a Birthday present! I was extremely pleased with it, the quality is obvious right from the off. Lack of Yaw was a serious consideration but I've worked hard with a set of TFRP and I can honestly say...I'm a Warthog man now. I watched hours of videos on hotas (what is the plural for them?) before deciding to save up for the Warthog, and then was lucky to have one bought for me by my Mother (I'm 54) and her partner for helping them with bits n bobs. I feel able to judge and compare, maybe I will, bit at this point all I can say I say the Warthog is a fantastic piece of equipment, the x52 pro is as well...IF you are lucky enough to get one that is okay...but that is a BIG if! If you have the cash.. Thrustmaster Warthog and the TFRP...but if not....the x52 pro (again only my opinion) is excellent in ED.
 
Just ordered a Warthog HOTAS. Looking at pedals now as the old Saitek ones I've been using for years finally died. But I have a question for those who already own a Warthog HOTAS and don't use pedals: Are you using a switch to control yaw, or is there a mini-stick that maps as another axis? TIA.
 
Just ordered a Warthog HOTAS. Looking at pedals now as the old Saitek ones I've been using for years finally died. But I have a question for those who already own a Warthog HOTAS and don't use pedals: Are you using a switch to control yaw, or is there a mini-stick that maps as another axis? TIA.

There is a mini-stick on the throttle, under your middle finger normally, but think you could operate it with index finger if necessary. I tried it, but soon opted for pedals.
 
Color me dense, but I've been wrestling with headlook control on the Warthog slew control for months. Using headlook to quickly switch to the LeftUI/Nav panel. Sometimes I was in the grove & a light touch calls it up perfectly, at others it was an infuriating on again/off again trial and error and I'd mash and twist to gain some control over the look. But the button is meant for a very light touch. The discussion of hotas abuse in this thread got me to thinking. I cut a finger off a Softskin nitrile "exam" glove for my left middle finger. Fantastic accuracy. Never even registered that the pilot image is wearing gloves until now. [noob]
 
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