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General / Off-Topic Are we brexiting?
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We'll see - especially as polling data is released over the next couple of years.
It feels more to me that all it's doing is making people who were pro-Independence anyway a bit more vocal and a lot more upset, with those who weren't wishing that Sturgeon would shut up and can see the UK government's point. At the same time, I suspect that that's more about the company I keep and others would disagree.
But in the Brexit context, it's a distraction which neither the UK government or the EU needs and so "we'll discuss a referendum after Brexit is sorted" is pretty much the only response that TM could actually give.
Interesting reasoning
YouGov polling on current attitutes to Brexit.
In short - noone has really changed their mind much since the referendum.
(Edit: originally wrote UK gov polling, clearly wrong)
In short - noone has really changed their mind much since the referendum.
(Edit: originally wrote UK gov polling, clearly wrong)
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I have read in the French press that the majority of the British do not regret the Brexit and even think that it is a chance
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The eagle plucks the turtle from the ground, and soars high above the ground. The turtle sees for miles, more than he has ever seen before, and considers what a wonderful friend he has found in the eagle.
The eagle flies over the rocks, and releases the turtle, who feels the exhilaration of flying for himself, and wonders what he has done for the eagle to give him such a marvelous gift.
What happens next?
Brexit hasn't happened, so it is not realistic to think that many will have changed their minds. Particularly not the bulk of Brexit voters who have something of an anti-intellectualist leaning. Give it a year and see what happens.
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So today is the day ye launch yer lifeboat escape plan fuzzy?
Plans been going on for months. The Mrs is still on maternity leave so there is no point in budging yet, and certainly no point before something comes up. This isn't a war, there is no need to pack essentials and flee in the middle of the night. Economic self-immolation takes time.
As long as we get to a country with decent array of opportunities before little Isaac reaches school age I'm ok with that. Theresa Mays plan for schools absolutely horrify me.
verminstar
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Ye me own escape plans hit a snag when the roof collapsed on the house over xmas which has cost x amount thousands to rectify...with house prices soaring here atm, I wanted it on the market sooner. Plan has changed though...now its not so much about getting out of the country and more about just getting out of living in estates my whole life...little place in the country would suit me now...somewhere remote so I can enjoy my little gardening hobby ^
Wonder if there will be a border between England & Scotland when they go? Especially if they are still in the EU.
Have you not heard of the Tories frictionless border in Ireland. These lads are tying themselves in knots spinning different crap about Ireland and Scotland, it's farcical.
Those campaigning for a no vote would have you believe that we'll have a hard border, with mine fields, barbed wire, guard towers, etc..
Here's an example of an actual, real world border between EU and non-EU countries.
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The only thing I'll say about that is that Norway is in the EEA and that's not going to happen with the UK as they have ruled it out. It's going to be a harder brexit.
UK - estimated population 2019: 1
(why does she sound more and more like Drumpf? "The right deal for the working class: more work", "The right deal for the employer: less wages", "The right deal for every person: more work for less wages" .. YAYYYYYY .. everyone happy .. and forget about that NHS - we'll have a "health savings account" .. )
And "the population" is still hoping for a Canadian or Norwegian type model according to that poll up there.
Took years to negociate? When exacly are the planning on starting? And in between?
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As I said.
If you Check the Daily Polls. And not only the one YouGov Poll which is quoted so often.
You notice fast. That this is an Daily Changing thing.
Highest Support for Independence Reached 55% on 17th March.
And Lowest Support for Independence just on 14th March with 40%
Its true that there is an small Leaning towards Remaining in the Union. But its nowhere close to being Decisive.
Making a Graph out of it. The Lines for Yes and No keep crossing each other every few Days.
I doubt this will take Years.
Scotland Aims for a Referendum Next Year.
To be Precise right before the Brexit will happen.
And well its not that Unimportand actually.
Scotland is part of the UK. And its Natural Ressources are part of the Markets as well.
Oil is one of the few Ressources the EU is Interested in as well. So while not being a very Strong Card due to availability from other Countries. It is at least an small part of Negotiation Bonus for the UK.
Part of its Market Power.
Same for North Ireland.
As People explained before. The Biggest and most Importand Factor for Trade Negotiations. Is the Size of the Market you get Access to.
The more Importand Part however is. That Polls right now wont say anything about the Result.
The Action was not Aimed at Polls anyways.
I assume bringing this up yet. Is bug an Strategic Move by Sturgeon to increase Support by having May show that she wont listen to Scotland.
Your own Statement as an Englishmen there. Is exactly the Attitude that Scottish People Hate like the Pest. And which Drives People to the Independence movement.
"it's a distraction which neither the UK government or the EU needs"
The EU has been sending very different Signals and has been making sure to tell Scotland that it cares for them and will support them if they leave the Union.
To begin with. The Idea of Sorting this after Brexit is fairly illogical.
To Scotland the Brexit is the Reason they want out of the Union.
So Sorting it after their Nightmare has happened is pretty insulting to them as well.
Imagine this.
Your out Drinking. And in the Evening you want back Home.
You tell your Friend that you should take a Taxi. But he just drags you along into the Car blabbering shut up I can still drive.
On the Highway with 120kph your telling him to stop and that you want out of the Car.
And he tells you. "Shut up. You can complain to me when we are home"
Your saying "Man we will Crash stop the Damn Car and let me out. If you want to Die go ahead but let me out of this Damn Car First"
Because thats roughly how many Scots feel right now.
They dont want to Wait for the Big Crash. They want out BEFORE it happens.
Norway is part of the Schengen Area and Accepts Free Movement of Workers.
Its not going to happen with the UK as they Refuse Free Movement.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...icle-50-takes-tough-line-on-transitional-deal
As expected, A50 can not be unilaterally revoked.
As has been stated before, its subject to the veto of the EU 27, ironically in the UK`s headlong rush to restore their sovereignty they have handed it to the EU 27 and EU Parliament while also putting themselves at the mercy of the clock with 18 mths to conclude a deal better than they currently have, therefore immediately weakening their position. That is some achievement.
Nordic cooperation in action. We had that setup in place well before the EU (border in the picture is between Sweden and Norway).
Well, seems that it's happened.
We are so screwed.
That is all.
We are so screwed.
That is all.
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