Scottish deputies approved today by a vote of 69 votes against 59, that their Prime Minister Nicola Sturgeon to ask for the organization of a new referendum on the independence ... 10 votes of difference ? Well, we can not say that it is the general enthusiasm. And after Sturgeon must get the permission of May and Wesminster. We can say this evening that the referendum is buried. This evening the Brexit is a reality and the UK keeps the Scotland within it. No crazy the UK, he is not going to give the Scotland to the EU
Parliamentary Votes are by Parties. Not by Popular Vote.
Of course the Parties loyal to the UK will vote against it regardless of what anybody wants.
And well. Thats not 100% sure.
Westminster can Deny an Binding Referendum. But only if Scotland accepts it as their Overlord.
If Scotland was to hold a Non Binding Referendum and then Renounce the UK as its Overlord. It would not really need to care for Westminster.
Paris and London launch a project of missile. Paris and London today signed an agreement for the launch of the future missile project with the European group MBDA, confirming the Franco-British strategic link despite the Brexit. London and Paris have not stopped since the British vote in favor of the Brexit to mark their attachment to the Franco-British strategic relationship and to ensure that it would not be affected by the exit of the UK from the EU ---- And well, here is an additional confirmation which the EU has no interest to weaken the UK
Not really Surprising.
UK will likely be offered to take part in a European Army as well.
The EU will not give the UK the Membership Benefits when its not a Member.
So Single Market Access, Free Movement, Financial Integration etc etc come either together or not at all.
But as People have repeatedly stated. This is not a Punishment. Its simply that you cant get a Clubs Benefits when your not a Member.
Beyond that there is no reason to not have Treaties and Agreements with the UK.
Monday in Glasgow Theresa May reiterated that it was "not the right time to evoke a second referendum on the independence (On the photo, a cordial relationship between Ms Sturgeon and Ms May)
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Woah. That doesnt look Cordial at all to be Honest.
If you look at their Body Language this is an more Icy Image than when Putin and Merkel sit together.
Today in front of members of parliament Mrs May will say : "We are a
great union of people and nations with a history of which we can be proud
and with a brilliant future"
Not her First Lie on that Day *gg*
Are Scotland able to hold a simple ballot, or at least non-binding referendum, without the approval of Theresa May? A lot depends on that question.
Scotland can hold an Indy Ref without Permission. But not a Binding one.
It is however Questionable if Scotland needs to care.
Even if a non Binding Referendum was to come out for Scottish Independence. That would be an Catastrophe for the UK and it would be Impossible to Deny it without taking massive damages.
Pointless, it would not be legal and no one can check if the votes are fraudulent, as you need police and various agencies to make certian no one tampers with the ballots boxes and the votes are genuine and not massed produced by the SNP. Now the SNP are not even trusted by most Scots who are now angry the SNP have ignored their last vote to stay in the UK Union, Just as the SNP ignored the Scots who voted with the rest of the UK to Brexit as that was a UK referendum not a Scottish referendum.
I place bets that May will hold a snap General election to see if Scots vote out SNP msps before the Brexit deal ends, killing off any Referendum. She is turning out to be a clever authoritarian leader that will not give way and the Brexit talks will either make her or break her as another Thatcher.
It doesnt matter to be honest.
The Brexit Referendum was not Legally Binding either.
But once the People have spoken any Democratic State will say Follow it.
Moreover May would be stupid to run Elections now.
The SNP would come out even Stronger in the current Situation.
And it would not affect any Indy Referendums either.
Most Importand however is.
That Scotland is an actual Recognized State.
If it Demands its Independence there will be massive Pressure from the International Community.
irrelevant
It's Part of UK law that Scotland and England signed up to 100's of years ago when they created the Union. We saw the Judges in action telling scotland can not be part of the Brexit talks as it was a UK government thing, hence their threat of a referendum. Judges will also tell them that UK law states the UK government can only give them their referendum, which they will do AFTER the brexit talks. SNP accept this they have clearly stated on the TV they will wait. They Know the law.
Saying that, as the EU, the SNP and others are trying desperately to stop us leaving the EU , i am waiting to see what they get up to next as the SNP are all out to try stop Brexit and many in the EU in the UK are trying very hard to do anything to stop Brexit and the referendum is just one of the tactics they are using. All very amusing to see how they are all on their knees crying and begging us to stop.
Soon as the EU collapses this nonense will stop.
Not that we did not expect you to come spouting rubbish again. But pls keep your Fantasies to a Minimum.
Nobody is begging you. The SNP is actually threatening you lol.
But well thats typical British Imperialism I guess. Blind to what actually happens and always pointing out ones own Superiority.
Once the UK Breaks apart this Relict of the Past will hopefully be cured from such Dreams.
Also UK Laws are Irrelevant here.
If Scotland holds an non Binding Referendum. And it comes out for Independence.
Then just like with the Brexit Referendum. Denying it would be Political Suicide.
"The People have Spoken" will be the War Cry on that.
And once that happened the UK will be History either ways.
Because either it will Honor the Results and Disband.
Or it will break apart within but one Decade because of Civil War.
We are addicted elections all of a sudden...glad to see thats not looking likely here again, waste of time and money. I think scotland should have another indypoll, just not right now so clear enough I agree with May. Juggling internal issues on the eve of activating art 50? How in hell can this non elected PM be expected to concentrate on the most important while everyone else stamping their feet and demanding immediate 100% attention right now? Not really a good idea to be multitasking that many major crisis all at once...means everyone gets a bad deal.
Well it doesnt really matter to be honest.
Nothing she does would be right or wrong right now.
Brexit is likely an Sailing against an Tsunami Wave.
She could be the Best Sailor in the World. But she will still have the Ship Wrecked afterwards.
The only thing she can do is to try and Minimize the Damage and hope she stays Afloat somehow.
In this case giving Scotland Attention or not changes nothing.
The Demands of Scotland cannot be met anyways. Meaning there is little effect in her giving them attention.
The one thing she could however do. Is to stop treating them like a Colony. This behavior is currently driving more and more Voters towards saying Yes to Independence.
Her outright Denial of Scotland having any Say and her Open degradation of Scotland into an Colony without any Rights is going to bite her Big Time afterwards.
I dont get why you think its unlikely in your Area tough.
If I remember right the Seperatist Parties in your Area are Growing as well.
They seem to have a good shot at being the Local Power after next Elections. Meaning your not exactly far away from such Referendums either.
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Yes they have the power to dissolve the Parliament and if they taught they could they would, but that would be a gift to the SNP. As I stated before, Scotland is heading in one direction and that`s indy. The process is already in motion and unstoppable, the British establishment just can`t bring themselves to terms with it but it cannot be stopped, just delayed. This has all happened before, its just every generation seems to like relearning the same lessons.
This pretty much.
Westminster Forcing new Elections in Scotland now. Would be Suicidal.
The SNP would likely gain another 10% or so because People in Scotland would feel even more annoyed than they do anyways already.
