It's been a bit under the radar here, but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if there was a reunified Ireland before Scotland gains independence.
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It's been a bit under the radar here, but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if there was a reunified Ireland before Scotland gains independence.
People change their minds as they get older though, for various reasons.
I used to be pro EU super state when I was younger but I just voted for brexit.
Of course people can change but I'm sure you can agree it can be in both directions. Still with that kind of starting point it doesn't look good for the future of the UK.
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It never looked good what with project doom and gloom and project fear having been employed...and still we ignored them and voted out anyway...and still havent changed my mind ^
Yeah but you`re a relatively old fella, the youth are a different ball game and the demographics speak for themselves.
Sure but, people being idealistic when young but more prepared to accept and understand the practical realities when old is a thing.
I agree as long as the SNP has a prominent position in Scottish politics constantly blaming the UK for everything the future does not look good for the union.
Same as what the French people do with their independence, or what you have been crowing about for the last number of months. I`m starting to think you`re just senseless trolling now Patrick.
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In light of Brexit, I think that statement is optimistic to say the least.
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Well not to you.
To Quote you yourself.
"I got my House and my Life. Even if things go Down I am not in Danger and dont really care if stuff goes up etc"
This is pretty much how the Generation which Voted for Leave thinks.
You got nothing to lose by Economic Crashes. Because by the time this would matter to you. Your Dead anyways.
But thats the thing.
Sure you old folks dont care at all.
You got your Lifes Established. So for you it doesnt matter.
But if you wasted a Minute to Think about those who dont have their Lifes established. You would notice. That for them this is the biggest Doom Scenario of the World.
Because they will have trouble finding a Job. They wont be able to Establish their Lifes anymore.
Struggling to make enough to Eat.
Not being able to Found a Family or get this Estate you got already. Because they will be faced with Harsh Working Conditions due to removed Laws etc.
While some of the Immediate effects will already be Catastrophic for the Country itself. Which you will notice in 2 Years when your actually out and your Prices for average living have gone up by 10-15%
Some of the worst effects however are stuff that wont show until your got the Next Generation coming up.
People who are better off like you and own an Big House can buffer for their Children a bit. Because their Children can stay with them.
But the less well endowed who dont have an House to life in. Will already be out of it in 3-5 Years cause they will be facing Employment Condition which Pay 20-30% less than they do now. And that with the 10-15% Increase for Living Cost.
Needless to say if the Government really goes through with their Brexit Promises and Deregulates all that Evil EU stuff.
They will be having 46-50 Hour Weeks for this lesser Salary and will life in constant Fear of losing that Job on top of it.
And thats if they are among the lucky People who get a Job at all
If they dont they will be faced with the new Cut down Social Welfare and in worst case life under the Bridge
its nice that you dont need to fear leaving the EU.
Your similar to my Grandfather which doesnt care either. Hes 90 now. He was an Wehrmacht Soldier in WW2 and has seen alot of stuff. And he doesnt give a crab about all kinds of stuff. Simply saying. No need thinking about that anymore. I wont see how it turns out anyways
It is funny you mention her hair: She is a natural brunette and ran to become a minister 8 times and failed every time. Then she changed her image and went blonde and then won a seat.
Well not to you.
To Quote you yourself.
"I got my House and my Life. Even if things go Down I am not in Danger and dont really care if stuff goes up etc"
This is pretty much how the Generation which Voted for Leave thinks.
You got nothing to lose by Economic Crashes. Because by the time this would matter to you. Your Dead anyways.
But thats the thing.
Sure you old folks dont care at all.
You got your Lifes Established. So for you it doesnt matter.
But if you wasted a Minute to Think about those who dont have their Lifes established. You would notice. That for them this is the biggest Doom Scenario of the World.
Because they will have trouble finding a Job. They wont be able to Establish their Lifes anymore.
Struggling to make enough to Eat.
Not being able to Found a Family or get this Estate you got already. Because they will be faced with Harsh Working Conditions due to removed Laws etc.
While some of the Immediate effects will already be Catastrophic for the Country itself. Which you will notice in 2 Years when your actually out and your Prices for average living have gone up by 10-15%
Some of the worst effects however are stuff that wont show until your got the Next Generation coming up.
People who are better off like you and own an Big House can buffer for their Children a bit. Because their Children can stay with them.
But the less well endowed who dont have an House to life in. Will already be out of it in 3-5 Years cause they will be facing Employment Condition which Pay 20-30% less than they do now. And that with the 10-15% Increase for Living Cost.
Needless to say if the Government really goes through with their Brexit Promises and Deregulates all that Evil EU stuff.
They will be having 46-50 Hour Weeks for this lesser Salary and will life in constant Fear of losing that Job on top of it.
And thats if they are among the lucky People who get a Job at all
If they dont they will be faced with the new Cut down Social Welfare and in worst case life under the Bridge
its nice that you dont need to fear leaving the EU.
Your similar to my Grandfather which doesnt care either. Hes 90 now. He was an Wehrmacht Soldier in WW2 and has seen alot of stuff. And he doesnt give a crab about all kinds of stuff. Simply saying. No need thinking about that anymore. I wont see how it turns out anyways
That is not a very likely scenario.
How about another one.
We agree a mutually favourable trade deal and exit conditions. Now in control of its own destiny UK can agree trade deals with other countries that work for it and has an exporting and investment boom.
It seems a less extreme scenario than yours.
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As a kid I'd ask "Dad where has Mum gone?". "She's gone to Iceland lad".
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The UK will get a trade deal with the EU in time and within the WTO rules at the very least. A comprehensive deal within the time frame is unlikely unless it's a EEA agreement like Norway. If your satifisfied with that result then you're golden, if you're not, then you're crap out of luck.
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I expect relentless propaganda was a big part of the process.
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Now replace UK with the EU, and SNP with the Tories and the yellow press...
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What could possibly be a more "mutually favourable trade deal" than what already exists inside the common market? By the very definition, things can only go downhill.
The EU has also negotiated extremely favourable trade deals with the rest of the world. It has been easy, because the EU common market is the most desirable place to do business on the planet. Again, almost by definition the deal that the UK negotiates alone will be worse, as they will be created from a weaker bargaining position.
"extreme scenario"? Yours is more like wishful thinking.
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Touchy Statement.
See Mate. Any Trade Deal that can be possible made between EU and UK after Brexit. Will be less favorable to the UK than the Full Access it has right now.
Meaning that UKs Industry somehow needs to offset these additional Cost for Ressources and at the same time make the stuff Cheaper to be able to Compete.
This as you can assume creates an very bad Situation for the Workers in the UK.
Because think about it.
Since Ressource Cost goes up and not Down here you cant really get your Stuff Cheaper to still Compete despite Border Taxes.
So the only thing that can get Cheaper is your Workforce. Meaning you Pay less to your Workers.
And thats pretty much what your Government has Announced.
Deregulate Companies and Work Restrictions.
What do you think that means ?
The Politicians call this "Make it easier for Companies to Hire People"
But if you think about that what does that mean ?
Is it hard to Hire People right now ?
Nope. They will make it Easier to Hire and Fire People.
The good Corporate Manager calls that "Worker Flexibility" which effectively means. Its easier for the Company to Hire and Fire Personnel if more or less Personnel is needed.
See Mate. What I said is not Extreme at all to be Honest.
Your Imports have gone up by 15% in Prices due to your Currency going down.
And with Border Taxes this will be going up even Further.
And while Prices go slowly. They will go up over Time.
Your Ability to make Trade Deals with the Remaining World is another thing.
The EU is doing Trade Deals from an much Better Position which much more Effort and Capacities.
So the Idea that the UK could make Better Deals alone is somewhat Ridiculous.
Because if you think about it.
Who do you think will Dictate Conditions for a Trade Deal when the UK Deals with the USA, with China, with the EU etc ?
Hint. Its not the UK.
The UK as an Trade Partner is similar to Brazil, India, etc
Meanings its an worthy Addition but still a Secondary Power. It does not have the Power to Dictate Conditions.
You might have missed it. But Australia etc have already made Demands for Future Trade Relations.
Including that they get Easier Immigration Access.
Meaning that if you want to get Favorable Deals with your Colonies. You will have prevented Immigration from Poland and Romania. But will have Brand New Immigration from Africa and India
Sorry Mate.
But currently my above Scenario is not extreme at all.
Its in Fact not very unlikely to come out on this.
Playing devils advocate, but NS berates the UK government for leaping into the dark without an idea of what the future looks like, yet cannot even say what currency an independent Scotland would use and how she would propose to solve the dept issue and the other factors that would prevent a Scottish entry into the EU.
They both seem as bad as each other tbh, failing to see the logs in their own eyes before pointing the ones in others. Both are Myopic in their own way
They both seem as bad as each other tbh, failing to see the logs in their own eyes before pointing the ones in others. Both are Myopic in their own way
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Theresa May declared to the parliament: "We will strengthen the links between the four nations of our United Kingdom", she insisted
What debt issue? Are you talking about Scotland's share of the UK's national debt?
All of it. Currency, EU membership criteria. Again, poking the bear a little, the rebuttal I see most used by the SNP is "It's all Westminster/the tories fault" and using deflection tactics in order to prevent answering the direct question.
Being fair though I see a lot of deflection tactics coming from the UK govt too.
Why can't politicians just be honest and say "We don't know yet, but here is how we are going to find out."
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