ED Steamcharts "4,000" active players. Pathetic

[Rob At Work]

This is true. So far there's Steam, The ED launcher and XBox. We know FDev has sold 2.2 million units however a unit is anything from the game to a paint skin......

Are you sure a unit is a paint skin? I bought a pack of six: is that one unit or half a dozen? Can you by skins etc.. through Steam?

The plot thickens!

 

[Jaiotu]

This is true. So far there's Steam, The ED launcher and XBox. We know FDev has sold 2.2 million units however a unit is anything from the game to a paint skin and would also include Horizons update iirc. We know for a fact however that just under a million people bought ED on steam. Given that figure is 50% of the sales, you can then start to extrapolate right?

Not exactly.

Players who bought Elite: Dangerous through Steam are much more likely to be the kinds of people who play multiple games. That's why they use Steam. My son uses Steam and he plays dozens of different games and is always ready to try the next big release.

Meanwhile there are probably many players like myself who purchased via Frontier's own storefront. I log into Elite: Dangerous almost daily.

EDIT: My point is that players who bought Elite via Frontier's store are more likely to be the kind of players who obsessively play Elite and nothing (or almost nothing) else. Steam users are more likely to play a wider selection of games.

 

[samuelb]

<<Looks at things to do>>

1. Open an account in a forum for a game I do not like.

2. Complain on forum about how the game is dying because <<totally spurious, poorly researched evidence>>

3. Buy next game on Steam and repeat.

How about OP, you try this for a daily task list,

1. Play something you enjoy.

2. Stop bothering everyone else with you unwanted "points".

3. Be happy and lower your blood pressure.

Just an idea, of course and as always, fly safe CMDRs.

 

[Sunleader]

ED is not doing Great. But its not doing Bad either.
Its an Success in Sustaining Development. And a Failure at making any Bigger Breakthrough.

The Game has been on 4-6k Active Steam Players for the entire Time.
Meaning they are not exactly winning more People than they lose. But they are also not really losing People.

Steam not being the Total Numbers is fine to this as the Importand part is not how many Players there are but if that Playerbase is Shrinking or Growing.
Right now its Stalling.


One thing to note.
Steam does not care if you Play Beta or not. If you start the Game regardless of the Version your Counted.
Meaning that this is not the reason for the recent losses.

But to begin with the losses are within the normal Fluctuation Limits.



So right now ED remains pretty much the same as Before.
An Ambitious Game by far not Finished and sustaining its Development.
They are slow in Development. But they are going forward.

Its not exactly my Game right now and the Direction they are taking with being more and more of an Small Craft Fighter Arena is going to have me out of this.
But thats just me.
Others might like this Direction as they dont care for Deeper Story or RPG or Bigger Ships etc anyways.


So its not exactly an Reason to Party Hard.
But its also not a Reason to go into Doosmday mode.

Its just hanging around. As long as its selling enough stuff to Continue Development thats enough for it to get around.

 

[Jex =TE=]

Not exactly.

Players who bought Elite: Dangerous through Steam are much more likely to be the kinds of people who play multiple games. That's why they use Steam. My son uses Steam and he plays dozens of different games and is always ready to try the next big release.

Meanwhile there are probably many players like myself who purchased via Frontier's own storefront. I log into Elite: Dangerous almost daily.

There is absolutely nothing to back this assertion up. So you base the whole of gamers on what your son does, do you?

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No, still stupid, so can we stop acting as if they where all improtant?

Wow ok so basic maths is beyond you as well? Can everyone attempting to tell us all that things are stupid at least be able to explain why, maybe? I just laid out the figures and you think that's "still stupid"

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Are you sure a unit is a paint skin? I bought a pack of six: is that one unit or half a dozen? Can you by skins etc.. through Steam?

The plot thickens!

I would imagine a pack would be classed as a single unit for sales purposes though if you wanted to cook your books you could split those packs down to individual counts but then your receipts wouldn't add up. You buy 3 6-pack skins and a t-shirt from their store that's 4 units, not 19 lol

 

[Yaffle]

No that's not right at all LOL. A million copies sold on steam. If you can't work out things from that then that's an issue with you NOT knowing maths.

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I didn't say it was dead, I merely provided figures. Your civ example is not even close to being on point and your lack of basic maths is not the fault of anyone but yourself.

Hmm, don't recall adding anything up there. But then again I am an accountant, so what do you want the answer to be?

All we have is - a third party and self-confessed inaccurate site using a proportion of this game's player base gives a number. So a guess from a guess. Your figures are as reliable as mine, therefore our conclusions are equally valid. Reality, as you say, according to those figures is the death of both games and companies.

There is nothing to see here - you are using bad data incorrectly to form a bad conclusion.

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

This is true. So far there's Steam, The ED launcher and XBox. We know FDev has sold 2.2 million units however a unit is anything from the game to a paint skin and would also include Horizons update iirc. We know for a fact however that just under a million people bought ED on steam. Given that figure is 50% of the sales, you can then start to extrapolate right?

It still had 80,000 players in the last two weeks and I'm pretty sure they're not the same players and that's not a bad number. It's 8% of the steam player base though. So if we just said ED had only 80,000 players that would buy season 3, we can then start to do the maths on potentila sales for the future and we'll say they get greedy again and charge £30 for it. that's still £2.4 Million. Now we know that there's Xbox and ED launcher users to add to that so I don't think it would unfair to say that we're looking passed £3 Million. Then that doesn't account for players not playing the game right now and waiting for the next season so we can add more on top of that.

Oh look, suddenly steam stats are ok when you make it look ok for FDev.

I just discount them completely because even though you can buy it from steam you don't need steam to run it. How many people started to use the normal launcher when the steam version broke around horizons launch, how many people went back to using steam when it was fixed. The answer is we don't know, they are all useless figures.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

The Game has been on 4-6k Active Steam Players for the entire Time.

This is 100% incorrect. Concurrent players does not equal the active player base or do you think the same players are playing the game 24/7.

How many times does this need to be said for people to understand steam stats. On steam alone, in the last 2 weeks there where roughly 80,000 active players, not 4,000.

This does not include players that bought it on steam but now do not open the game via steam and the non steam players.

 

[Muzz UK]

Haven't had this tread for a while.

POPCORN

Steam charts are only so many players a lot refuse to give Steam money or a percentage of Frontiers transaction so stick to client.

 

[Spookyy]

Got to love all the Steam haters, haha so silly. Like you are some special important gamer becuse you don't use Steam? Christ! There is a reason FD has ED on Steam and that is $$. Nope it has nothing to do that they care about you personally, it's the $$ and only $$.

 

[Rob At Work]

I would imagine a pack would be classed as a single unit for sales purposes though if you wanted to cook your books you could split those packs down to individual counts but then your receipts wouldn't add up. You buy 3 6-pack skins and a t-shirt from their store that's 4 units, not 19 lol

If tee shirt is whole unit, how many units is a jacket with two full sleeves?

Edit: or are we back to the "if you have whole hole and you fill in half of it why do you still have a whole hole?" question?

 

[Jex =TE=]

Hmm, don't recall adding anything up there. But then again I am an accountant, so what do you want the answer to be?

All we have is - a third party and self-confessed inaccurate site using a proportion of this game's player base gives a number. So a guess from a guess. Your figures are as reliable as mine, therefore our conclusions are equally valid. Reality, as you say, according to those figures is the death of both games and companies.

There is nothing to see here - you are using bad data incorrectly to form a bad conclusion.

What do you mean, what do I want the answer to be??? LOL I want it to be as close to the truth as it can be, obviously!

One issue with your figures I glanced at (before getting into the fact that Civ is NOT an MMO....) is that they may have similar percentage figures, but look at the numbers. Sales don't care about percentage figures (in this instance), they're care about actual units sold.

One game has 80,000 @ $30 = $2.4 Million

the other game has over 400,000 players @ $60 = $24,360,000

 

[Sunleader]

This is 100% incorrect. Concurrent players does not equal the active player base or do you think the same players are playing the game 24/7.

How many times does this need to be said for people to understand steam stats. On steam alone, in the last 2 weeks there where roughly 80,000 active players, not 4,000.

This does not include players that bought it on steam but now do not open the game via steam and the non steam players.

4-6k Players Active at all Times.
Literally everyone in this Topic except you realized that I was merely going by the Steam Number.
So stop being nitpicky.

 

[Jaiotu]

There is absolutely nothing to back this assertion up. So you base the whole of gamers on what your son does, do you?

There certainly is something to back this assertion up. It's called logic.

If Elite: Dangerous was initially released on Steam and only available through Steam then the Steam numbers could be counted as being very accurate. Elite: Dangerous was initially released without steam support. Now ... if I wanted to take the time to get a Steam key for Elite and register the game in Steam ... why would I do that if Elite: Dangerous is the only game I want to play? It would be counter intuitive. Logically I would only be interested in linking Elite: Dangerous to Steam would be because I already use Steam for other games.

Therefore Steam users are more likely to be people who play multiple games. Many players who purchased the game early, or backed on kickstarter, did so because we played the original games in the 80s or 90s.

Logically: If you play lots of different video games then Steam is an attractive storefront and platform for your gaming needs.

Logically: If you only play one or two different games and you purchased those games directly from the developer then Steam doesn't really provide you with any benefit.

Personally I play Elite: Dangerous and Kerbal Space Program. Purchased both directly from the developers. Steam is an unnecessary background process.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

4-6k Players Active at all Times.
Literally everyone in this Topic except you realized that I was merely going by the Steam Number.
So stop being nitpicky.

The Steam number is for concurrent players. People playing at that instant of that second. It does not tell you the active player base for the day.

It works like this

Lets say there are 4000 active players at 2pm. They all log off 30 minutes later.

There is a seperate set of 3000 players they log on and play at 3pm. They log off 30 minutes later.

So far that is 7000 different players in that time.

But it only tells you the maximum concurrent players of that time span which is the top one 4000.



My figures are also from steam:

http://steamspy.com/app/359320

And for some education on what the stats mean:

https://galyonk.in/steam-spy-the-missing-manual-cc22ef6eebe1

 

[Jex =TE=]

This does not include players that bought it on steam but now do not open the game via steam and the non steam players.

This doesn't make any sense. Equally I could say that about the ED launcher players that specically added it to their steam accounts and we're back with to claims being made with absolutely zero facts to back it up so we should refrain from making such claims.

Also, anyone using the argument that "steam is evil" I mean really, are we children around here and using the evil steam meme in an argument and THEN expected to be taken seriously? This is not how you move debates forward (not saying u Max byw )

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

Got to love all the Steam haters, haha so silly. Like you are some special important gamer becuse you don't use Steam? Christ! There is a reason FD has ED on Steam and that is $$. Nope it has nothing to do that they care about you personally, it's the $$ and only $$.

Got to love all the Steam lovers, ha ha so silly. Why do you act like you are a special or important gamer because you use Steam? There is a reason FD has ED on Steam and that is ££. It not that they they care about you personally, it's the ££ and only ££

 

[GraXXoR]

Ehh, when you boil water, you get steam

Cheers Cmdr's

You finished mid sentence...

Cheers Cmdr's what? Cmdr's friends? Cmdr's enemies?

Steam has the workshop which is a very lively community of modders and tweakers.... Cities: Skylines' Workshop is pure awesome with more mods that Sim City...


I have nothing against Steam and quite like it for the reason above. Moreover I regret buying NMS on GOG because I can't share bases with other players... due to lack of a GOG equivalent to the Workshop... sigh.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

This doesn't make any sense. Equally I could say that about the ED launcher players that specically added it to their steam accounts and we're back with to claims being made with absolutely zero facts to back it up so we should refrain from making such claims.

Also, anyone using the argument that "steam is evil" I mean really, are we children around here and using the evil steam meme in an argument and THEN expected to be taken seriously? This is not how you move debates forward (not saying u Max byw )

If you use a steam key it come up as a purchase on steam. But it is still valid. We do not know the numbers and neither do you.

 

[Jex =TE=]

There certainly is something to back this assertion up. It's called logic.

If Elite: Dangerous was initially released on Steam and only available through Steam then the Steam numbers could be counted as being very accurate. Elite: Dangerous was initially released without steam support. Now ... if I wanted to take the time to get a Steam key for Elite and register the game in Steam ... why would I do that if Elite: Dangerous is the only game I want to play? It would be counter intuitive. Logically I would only be interested in linking Elite: Dangerous to Steam would be because I already use Steam for other games.

Therefore Steam users are more likely to be people who play multiple games. Many players who purchased the game early, or backed on kickstarter, did so because we played the original games in the 80s or 90s.

Logically: If you play lots of different video games then Steam is an attractive storefront and platform for your gaming needs.

Logically: If you only play one or two different games and you purchased those games directly from the developer then Steam doesn't really provide you with any benefit.

Personally I play Elite: Dangerous and Kerbal Space Program. Purchased both directly from the developers. Steam is an unnecessary background process.

And logially it doesn't make a difference in telling us who plays ed for how long and how often and in fact does nothing of the sort to tell us who plays lots of games and who doesn't considering Origin, UPlay, GOG, Greem Man Gaming I mean you simply don't know what you're talking about.

The above might seem logical to you but it doesn't follow logic at all. It's all a massive assertion on your part but I doubt me telling you that is going to turn on a light bulb anywhere.