But the ones who lived and worked in Scotland, should IMO be taken care of by a newly independent Scotland, unless they move to the remaining UK.
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But the ones who lived and worked in Scotland, should IMO be taken care of by a newly independent Scotland, unless they move to the remaining UK.
Going forward, yes, but anybody who has paid pension contributions up to the point of independence should (and, according to the department of work and pensions, would) see that honoured.
At the risk of poking the bear again in relation to the unreliability of GERS figures, this from that well known indy paper (cough!) the Daily Record, http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...g_comment_id=1049d9ac824140d28c27bd2c1466aaa0
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Enjoy the black stuff, but you do know we keep the best for ourselves. Just in case you`re from the North of England I have cousins in Yorkshire, they`re not shy of a tipple either.[big grin]
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If I was Scottish I'd probably vote out, but I'd be well aware that there would be some carnage... and I'd vote out for similar reasons to my voting remain last year. I have nowt against the Scots, but am just aware that there is no way that they'd be allowed to leave without shouldering some of the cash originally lent to UK as a whole.
Going to be a bit stereotypical here: I'm out to see some friends play a gig later and plan to ingest a couple of scoops of Guinness while I'm there, so up the Irish too.
Enjoy the black stuff, but you do know we keep the best for ourselves. Just in case you`re from the North of England I have cousins in Yorkshire, they`re not shy of a tipple either.[big grin]
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Political satire and social media, its some mix, http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/ruth-davidsons-thatcher-taunt-nicola-10135778. Priceless.
Regarding the claims that the Conservatives are enjoying some sort of resurgence in Scotland, here's some perspective.
ETA - this will be of interest to some, a blog post rationalising the author's decision to support independence, having been a firm no voter in 2014.
ETA - this will be of interest to some, a blog post rationalising the author's decision to support independence, having been a firm no voter in 2014.
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Another myth bites the dust,
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...n-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...n-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu
Shetland Islands are first to bid to BREAKAWAY from Scotland and Join UK in revolt against Sturgeon's indy bid and many more parts of Scotland are thinking of doing the same. 1,000,000 Scots that voted brexit against the 1.600, 000 who voted remain are livid with the SNP, who are dividing Scotland.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/768331/Shetland-islands-bid-breakaway-scotland-closer-UK
SNP are dividing their own people UP to the point they are openly threatening to tear Scotland apart. If they did break away it seems a mass exodus of Scots will be heading south to live. Feel sorry for them being forced to tear their own country up.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/768331/Shetland-islands-bid-breakaway-scotland-closer-UK
SNP are dividing their own people UP to the point they are openly threatening to tear Scotland apart. If they did break away it seems a mass exodus of Scots will be heading south to live. Feel sorry for them being forced to tear their own country up.
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Daily Express?
Next up Diana is still alive and has the cure for cancer.
Next up Diana is still alive and has the cure for cancer.
This one came up at devolution and the last independence referendum. It's a myth largely pushed by the union supporting media. There certainly isn't any serious independence movement up there.
Daily Express?
Next up Diana is still alive and has the cure for cancer.
Yeah knew you would say that, so saved the islands own news paper to reply with and next the Scottin SNP own website link, i will see how long i can drag this out though, with using more links, to just prove my point that you cant alter the facts
http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2012/01/24/isles-should-be-allowed-to-remain-in-uk-if-they-reject-independence-tory-lord
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Yeah knew you would say that, so saved the islands own news paper to reply and next the Scottin SNP own website link, i will see how long i can drag this out though
http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2012/01/24/isles-should-be-allowed-to-remain-in-uk-if-they-reject-independence-tory-lord
A Tory Lord says so? Do you think population of the Shetlands consists of a single earl?
And how much weight do you think the opinions of Tory lords has in any part of Scotland?
Interesting, it is a reporter living on the islands reporting the facts in their newspaper , they are informing us what the Lord said. See how you lose touch with reality of what really occurd and not what you want to have occurd?
Ok i did promise other links.
Now you always make links to this newspaper to show your facts on the forums, so let us see how you react next
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/30/shetland-independence-vote-scotland
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Interesting, it is a reporter living on the islands reporting the facts in their newspaper , they are informing us what the Lord said. See how you lose touch with reality of what really occurd and not what you want to have occurd?
Ok i did promise other links.
Now you always make links to this newspaper to show your facts on the forums, so let us see how you react next
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/30/shetland-independence-vote-scotland
Sipping wine while waiting in anticipation and total amusement for the next reply.
If there's a significant Shetland indpendence movement there should probably be an online presence shouldn't there? Care to show us it?
The Breakaway is at is birth stage , they have had talks with Westminster to discuss the possibility of staying in the UK and of course the UK government is not going to openly start carving Scotland up now, not when they want THEM to remain whole in the UK.
It isn't just these islanders, it is others who are all testing the waters, it will be more clearer what is going to occur in a few years, when the Scots get their vote and we all see which way the vote will go. The SNP reaction is some what stunned and they are worried as the oil fields could be claimed by those Islands in the North East. It's going to be messy and Scotland might just tear apart. Though the SNP i doubt care as their single policy of going alone at all costs is far more important.
Also don't forget 1,000,000 Scots voted Brexit have been ignored, they won the UK Brexit vote and the other Scots that Voted to remain in the UK in the last indi. referendum have been ignored by the SNP, two votes they just ignore and they do not run their government with a majority, they lost that majority in the last general election. So the SNP are gambling with a lot of Angry Scots on both sides of the fence.
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The media and Conservative politicians were bringing this up in the early 90s to argue against devolution. It's not by any means at the "birth stage". It's a myth brought out every single time there's any talk of Scotland becoming more independent.
In fairness not all Brits are deluded, a fair few are starting to see sense,
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ian-payne/ian-paynes-argument-for-handing-gibraltar-back/
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ian-payne/ian-paynes-argument-for-handing-gibraltar-back/
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Indeed, it's utter nonsense.
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It bit the dust ages ago. As I've said before, anybody actually paying attention to Spain could see, all along, that it was just another Project Fear lie.
Devoloution meant power to the countries, Wales, N. Ireland and Scotland. It was never meant for the counties of the individual countries, though Labour did try with the North of England, but the people rejected it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3984387.stm
Counties wanting independence and breaking away from their own countries is a new phenomenon. Well i say that, truth is the only county that has ever tried in the UK is Cornwall.
As Scotland is ignoring their voters, the 1 million who voted Brexit and who do not want to be dragged back in to the EU, then just like the Falklands islands and Gibraltar, if the people vote on those islands to remain with the UK and want to be part of the UK, i presume we will allow it simply because of the oil fields.
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I think anyone with a grain of sense knew the Spanish had repeatedly said they had no issue with Scots indy. But like everything with the Britnats, it takes a while to sink in.