Multicrew & Wings payouts - How I think it should work.

I realise that not everyone will agree, and that's fine, but here is my idea on Multi-Crew and Wings payouts for what it's worth..
I should also state, before someone inevitably cannot fight the urge to mention it, that I'm not bothered how many threads there already are on this subject. ;)

[video=youtube_share;KmOJzspKawg]https://youtu.be/KmOJzspKawg?t=4530[/video]
 
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I realise that not everyone will agree, and that's fine, but here is my idea on Multi-Crew and Wings payouts for what it's worth..
I should also state, before someone inevitably cannot fight the urge to mention it, that I'm not bothered how many threads there already are on this subject. ;)

https://youtu.be/KmOJzspKawg?t=4530

Yes, I am going to watch a 3 hour(!) video that even has embedded viewing disabled in order to participate in this thread...
 
If you are going to do a this is my ideas/suggestions, at least put it in writing. Reading written words is faster for most people than the speed most can talk. If you are not going to be bothered to write out your ideas on a text based forum, why should we be bothered to listen to them?
 
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Yes, I am going to watch a 3 hour(!) video that even has embedded viewing disabled in order to participate in this thread...

You don't need to watch a 3hr video. The timecode is 1hr14m07s. I will enable embedding on it.

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If you are going to do a this is my ideas/suggestions, at least put it in writing. Reading written words is faster for most people than the speed most can talk. If you are not going to be bothered to write out your ideas on a text based forum, why should we be bothered to listen to them?

I have written them out in text based form. But I posted the video format. If you can't be bothered because I might be cutting into some precious time, then you don't have to watch it.

BTW your question in asinine. You should be bothered if you are interested in the subject matter not whether it comes in text or video format. Also no-one is forcing you to watch it if it bothers you that it's not text. And who is 'we' ? Who else are you speaking for ?

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The written version for those pushed for time...

Multicrew and Wings payouts

The 3 main rules:-
1) Payouts never go over 100% of the targets bounty.
2) Payouts are shared out in set manner that is not based on rank.
3) Payouts are ONLY given to players who actively took part in the kill.

Multicrew
Gunners or SLF pilots will NOT be paid if they do not participate in the kill – this totally avoids AFK exploits.
Helmsman always gets 50% of the bounty unless he/she is the only one responsible for the kill in which case he/she will get 100%. If NPC crew make a kill on a ship but the helmsman did not participate, he still gets 50% because it’s his ship.
Other participants get an equal split of the remaining 50%
e.g. 2 other crew gives them 25% each, 1 other crew splits the share 50/50 (assuming all took part in the kill)

Wings
Each ship gets an equal share of the total bounty. In the case of a 3-way split, 34% goes to the person who is the one who set up the wing. This formula is the case for any amount that doesn’t equally divide to an integer.
So, if a ship is 90,000 bounty and 3 players play a part in the kill then the bounty is split 3 ways.
That’s the downside to using 3 ships onto 1 target.
In a wing the maximum is earned if 3 players go after 3 separate ships then its 100% for each ship.
It 2 players take one ship and the third ship takes a 2nd ship, then the 2 players get 50/50 and the 3rd player gets 100% because he took on a ship alone.

This still makes wings more profitable than MC (as it should be !) because each player is using (risking) his own ship (fuel and ammo).
In MC, the only risk (how much risk is another thing you can’t assess risk based solely on your own skill level) is to the helmsman. He doesn’t take a 100% of a bounty in a multi-kill because who is paying out more than the bounty in the first place ??
Payouts are not as large as solo play but that is how it should be !!! Anything else is just unfair.
As it is now, 3 ships shooting down 1 Anaconda makes it around 3 times easier to earn the same money. Why should this be ? Just to promote the use of Wings ?

Multiplayer combat interaction is not or should not be all about the credit but the co-op play style. There are plenty of games out there where you play co-op and no money is involved. Its all about the experience and the interaction.
If money is your primary objective all the time then I think you’ve missed the point of Elite:Dangerous. It’s MEANT to be a grind. FDev make that clear time and time again.
 
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You don't even know how wings work, why should anyone listen to how you want to change it?

Then why don't you enlighten me instead of being yet another beligerant poster and talking to me as if I'm your enemy ?
What is wrong with you people that you can't be civil or even be willing to engage ?

Is the default position to be defensive and hostile ? Have I done something to offend you so much that you can't or don't even know how to respond in a more helpful manner ?

Tell me how wings work then. Tell me what I've got wrong instead of being so damned dismissive. And again, don't pretend you speak for anyone else.
 
Some people are not interested in the message. They care HOW you deliver it.

And i believe some people on this forum are just here to disagree and try to raise themselves over others.
Never have anything constructive to come with, no manners, no respect and as you said, treat you like the enemy. There is alot of them here.

I say ignore them, if they have nothing to bring to the table but whining and how you deliver something completely ignoring the message, simply ignore them. I do it all the time. Its really easy.
 
Some people are not interested in the message. They care HOW you deliver it.

And i believe some people on this forum are just here to disagree and try to raise themselves over others.
Never have anything constructive to come with, no manners, no respect and as you said, treat you like the enemy. There is alot of them here.

I say ignore them, if they have nothing to bring to the table but whining and how you deliver something completely ignoring the message, simply ignore them. I do it all the time. Its really easy.

Spot on ! Next time I'll really play with their heads and have the message written out on a planets surface with my SRV's tyre tracks :D
That counts as text right ?

Forum griefers with no ability to debate or discuss an issue without being beligerant.
 
Some people are not interested in the message. They care HOW you deliver it.

I am on a forum. I read and write text here. It's fine to add a video to a post to illustrate an issue that is best shown by video, but if video is a) the entire content of the message and b) 3 hours long, then you have to expect some resistance becasuse people have a limited willingness to spend 3 hours just to check out the OP. The same happens, by the way, if someone posts an overly long OP without even a short form so that people can quickly see the gist of it and decide whether to read the whole thing.

Another issue with video content is that the only way to quote parts would be to manually transcribe the quotations.
 
MC - yes agree. There is no good reason that a bounty of 500,000 Credits for a wanted pilot is suddenly increased by a factor of X because MORE people had to bring them down - just not sensible. The BOUNTY is the BOUNTY and all splits come from that. The % splits are open to debate for sure but yes - generally i agree. And Rank - I agree, why does that matter? A Dangerous pilot is awarded the same credits as an Elite pilot if they shoot down the 'same' wanted NPC right? SO why change that now? It doesn't matter who brings them to justice - only that justice is done. Ranks should only be used as pre-qualifiers for missions IMO, then an Elite ranked player gains access to higher and higher bounties due to skill and reputation, rather than simply gaining extra reward.

Wings - is a little more difficult. Presumably you are also saying that ONLY those ships that have actively engaged the enemy get a portion of the payout?
But then there are some questions of balance:

1) What if the wing is an Anaconda and 2 sideys? Shouldn't the Anaconda get the larger share - they have the greater risk in terms of potential value of losses?
2) Following on from point 1 - The Anaconda is more likely to exact more damage and therefore have contributed more to the kill and then get more share?

otherwise - yes, it echos other posts so i think there's a certain degree of consensus forming around these payouts - but i am sure others will disagree with that opinion - as is their right i guess. Fdev caved to a certain community spirit in messing with bounties and its not a fairly weighted or considerate system IMO.
 
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