THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)

2 answers, for the video how about
1. DB IB the original elite
2. Fi(0) 10+7=17, 7+5=12, 2+3=5
3. T is 1984
So original planet is Lave at the permit locked planet is the place. Maybe its the 5th planet?
Not sure not online at moment
Start at lave. Finish at raxxla in col 70, via beacons at all those Greek places (21)
Oh this clue is so easy!
 
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Still surprised that it's 'Furies' - the only English version of a mythological name in the list - and not, like all the other mythological names in the list, (transliterated) Greek or Latin (> 'Furiae'), but there you go!

Do you know any Greek mythological figures whose names start with 'F'?

All the inconsistencies (Yildun, Zero, Furies) point to the initial letters of the names being significant.
 
In the Fibonacci series:
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654,665,1319,1984,3303,5287,8590,13877,22467,36344
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If we calculate the ratios between successive number in this series, we find that the ratio of 36344/22467 = 1.61766 is the nearest to The Golden Ratio = 1.618.
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So maybe these two numbers are important, coordinates perhaps?
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Maybe SUM(10,7,5,3) reveals a possible location AND coordinates. Still working on this.
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The golden ratio (symbol is the Greek letter "phi" ) is a special number approximately equal to 1.618. It appears many times in geometry, art, architecture and other areas.
 
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Do you know any Greek mythological figures whose names start with 'F'?

All the inconsistencies (Yildun, Zero, Furies) point to the initial letters of the names being significant.

Well, yes, instead of English 'Furies', one could have simply picked Latin 'Furiae'... But Drew explicitly didn't confirm a clue which he reacted to where 'Furiae' was given (see above).

Edit: Mind you, I don't think this signifies anything, it just isn't particularly consistent (but there may be an explanation which is yet to be revealed).
 
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It might have taken days to catch up on what's happened recently but it's been great reading all the theories and discussions. Even if it all turns out to be a let down it's good fun to watch everyone come together to figure things out. Great work and let's keep fingers crossed it's worth all the grey matter! o7
 
Well, yes, instead of English 'Furies', one could have simply picked Latin 'Furiae'... But Drew explicitly didn't confirm a clue which he reacted to where 'Furiae' was given (see above).

True, but to remain consistent with the Greek it should have been 'Erinyes' - the fact that he switched away from Greek seems more significant than whether he switched to Latin or English.

Also, I don't recall him rejecting 'Furiae' alone - he rejected it as part of a list.
 
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True, but to remain consistent with the Greek it should have been 'Erinyes' - the fact that he switched away from Greek seems more significant than whether he switched to Latin or English.

Note that this isn't the only time he deviated from Greek - many of the mythological names in the list use the Latin version rather than the Greek.

Edit: Examples: Aeolus (Greek Aiolos), Bellerophon (Greek Bellerophontes) etc.
 
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In the Fibonacci series:
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654,665,1319,1984,3303,5287,8590,13877,22467,36344
.
If we calculate the ratios between successive number in this series, we find that the ratio of 36344/22467 = 1.61766 is the nearest to The Golden Ratio = 1.618.
.
So maybe these two numbers are important, coordinates perhaps?
.
Maybe SUM(10,7,5,3) reveals a possible location AND coordinates. Still working on this.
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The golden ratio (symbol is the Greek letter "phi" ) is a special number approximately equal to 1.618. It appears many times in geometry, art, architecture and other areas.

The golden ratio is the limit of x(n+1)/x(n) in the fibanocci series. So, the last 2 terms being closest in natural. If you take more terms you will find them to be closer.
 
Which ones?
Not that I don't believe you, I'm just curious :)

No problem - though I am going to conflate Latin spellings of a Greek name and Latin versions of a Greek mythological figure in the following:

Eurydice (Eurydike), Bellerophon (Bellerophontes), Eurycleia (Eurykleia), Daedalion (Daidalion), Iapetus (Iapetos), Anticlea (Antikle(i)a), Aeolus (Aiolos), Erebus (Erebos) - Jupiter is a special case because the riddle wanted 'Zeus' namesake' -, Xanthus (Xanthos), Cassiopeia (Kassiopeia).

Most of the Latinised spellings are of course due to astronomical naming conventions (because most of the riddles/answers reference astronomical features).
 
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In the Fibonacci series:
.
654,665,1319,1984,3303,5287,8590,13877,22467,36344
.
If we calculate the ratios between successive number in this series, we find that the ratio of 36344/22467 = 1.61766 is the nearest to The Golden Ratio = 1.618.
.
So maybe these two numbers are important, coordinates perhaps?
.
Maybe SUM(10,7,5,3) reveals a possible location AND coordinates. Still working on this.
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The golden ratio (symbol is the Greek letter "phi" ) is a special number approximately equal to 1.618. It appears many times in geometry, art, architecture and other areas.

From the SUM(10,7,5,3) for arguments sake lets say that the 10,7,5,3 refer to the positions of the numbers in the Fibonacci series 654,665,1319,1984,3303,5287,8590,13877,22467,36344. We then obtain the following values:
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Position 10 we obtain 36344
Position 7 we obtain 8590
Position 5 we obtain 3303
Position 3 we obtain 1319
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Not sure what to obtain from these numbers, maybe 36344,8590 as coordinates on a landable planet, and 3303,1319 coordinates on the galaxy map? Or, vice versa?
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I am pretty sure the order 10,7,5,3 is significant, they represent positions/locations of number values, rather than their actual value, the clue is I think how we obtain those number values.
 
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I am enjoying this puzzle challenge... I started on my own this afternoon.. but then found this forum.. this community is more advance than where I got to... what is the video people are referencing.. I'm not aware of this?
 
I am enjoying this puzzle challenge... I started on my own this afternoon.. but then found this forum.. this community is more advance than where I got to... what is the video people are referencing.. I'm not aware of this?

From Drew Wager's twitter feed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnjzpnZlYP4

I haven't seen anyone mention the starting words:
"At Phaethon's Reach, Follow the path of souls" yet though in this thread, but I am late here
 
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I've been dabbling with these the locations and Fibonacci’s equation, below.

I'm wondering if there are two locations that are common to the Titan's, apart from Gaia, which could already be one.

1. Styx
2. Rhea
3. Yildun
4. Eurydice
5. Rhamnousia
6. Bellerophon
7. Epione
8. Eurycleia
9. Amphithea
10. Cronus
11. Daedalion
12. Chione
13. Iapetus
14. Anticlea
15. Aeolus
16. Erebus
17. Jupiter (Sol: 0:0:0)
8. Xanthus
19. Furies
20. Cassiopeia
21. Zero

[1] The river to the underworld
[2] Gaia’s daughter all unfurled
[3] Fourth minor bear in vain
[4] By viper’s sting was slain
[5] Also known as Nemesis
[6] The doom of Chimera
[7] She is tasked with soothing pain
[8] Suckling Odysseus from afar
[9] Mother of the mother of
[10] Leader of the Titans
[11] He transformed into a hawk
[12] A daughter of Daedalion’s
[13] The piercer was how he was known
[14] Mother of Ulysses
[15] Ruler of the winds
[16] God of night, primordial flees
[17] Zeus’ namesake now lies in Sol
[18] Achilles’ favoured horse
[19] Women of vengeance infernal
[20] The vain queen rides not forth
[21] A final word, a course to follow, a poor miser’s sum[.] If you would understand it all, seek Fibonacci’s Zephyrum[.]

[1] The river to the underworld[,] [1] The river to the underworld[,] [2] Gaia’s daughter all unfurled[.] [3] Fourth minor bear in vain[,] [5] Also known as Nemesis, [8] Suckling Odysseus from afar[,] [13] The piercer was how he was known[.] [21] A final word, a course to follow, a poor miser’s sum[.] If you would understand it all, seek Fibonacci’s Zephyrum[.]

SUM(10,7,5,3)

[10] Leader of the Titans[,] [7] She is tasked with soothing pain[,] [5] Also known as Nemesis[,] [3] Fourth minor bear in vain[.]

The ryhme as follows without the numbers and [ ] tags reads as;

The river to the underworld, The river to the underworld, Gaia’s daughter all unfurled. Fourth minor bear in vain, Also known as Nemesis, Suckling Odysseus from afar, The piercer was how he was known. A final word, a course to follow, a poor miser’s sum. If you would understand it all, seek Fibonacci’s Zephyrum.

(Fibonacci’s Zephyrum: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144)

[1] Styx; 5 rivers flow to the Underworld. Styx is the "river of unbreakable oath by which the gods took vows". Titan Goddess and wife to Titan Pallas, daughter of Oceanus and Tethys. Styx had four Titan children; Zelus, Nike, Kratos, and Bia. Styx fought for the Olympians during the Titan-Olympian war (Titanomachy).

[2] Rhea; was one of the Titans, daughter of Uranus and Gaea. She was the sister and wife of Cronus, also a Titan. She was responsible for the way things flow in the kingdom of Cronus (her name means 'that which flows').
Rhea and Cronus had six children; Hestia, Hades, Demeter, Poseidon, Hera and Zeus. Rhea was often symbolised as a pair of lions that pulled a celestial chariot. This symbol was often placed on city gates, the best known example being that at the city of Mycenae, where two stone lions guarded the gates.

[5] Rhamnousia (Nemesis); Nemesis was the goddess of divine retribution and revenge, who would show her wrath to any human being that would commit hubris, i.e. arrogance before the gods. She was considered a remorseless goddess.
She was often called "Goddess of Rhamnous", an isolated place in Attica, where a temple was attributed to her. It was believed that she was the daughter of the primordial god Oceanus. According to Hesiod, though, she was a child of Erebus and Nyx.
According to another myth, Nemesis created an egg, from which two sets of twins hatched; one set was Helen of Troy and Clytemnestra, and the other was the Dioscuri.

[8]
Eurycleia; is the daughter of Ops and granddaughter of Peisenor, as well as the wet-nurse of Odysseus. As a girl she was bought by Laertes, Odysseus' father. He treated her as his wife, but she was never his consummated lover so as not to dishonor his real wife, Anticleia. She nursed Telemachus, Odysseus' son.

[13]
Iapetus was a Titan, son of Uranus and Gaea, and father of Atlas, Prometheus, Epimetheus and Menoetius. Iapetus was also considered the personification of one of the four pillars that hold the heavens and the earth apart, a role that he later bequeathed to his son, Atlas. He represented the pillar of the west, the other three being represented by his brothers Crius, Coeus and Hyperion.

[21] 0, Zero, Zilch, Zip, Cipher; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0

Random thoughts:

Earth (Sol / Gaia) and Uranus are the two locations, later based on the war between the Titans and the Olympians. (Source: https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/The_Myths/Titanomachy/titanomachy.html)

However, interesting to note, Uranus threw Gaia's children into Tartarus - Tartarus is a G-Class star system, so, if there are two locations to pick, based on the heavily influenced Titan mythology, Sol would be one system and Tartarus the other, since it was a source (the beginning, zero, 0) of great strife between the Titans, and led to Cronus and Gaia conspiring to castrate Uranus (which then gave birth to other Titans or Gods).

CMDR, I think this part is stellar work!:

SUM(10,7,5,3)

[10] Leader of the Titans[,] [7] She is tasked with soothing pain[,] [5] Also known as Nemesis[,] [3] Fourth minor bear in vain[.]

What a great idea, and the fact that is rhymes seems to be a confirmation (or could of course be coincidence, but I doubt it).
 
Greetings CMDRs,

I would like to put forth an entirely different theory on the meaning of the verses. I initially believed the same as yourselves, that it was a set of directions involving the aliens in some way. I am beginning to believe that the verses are in fact related to the power struggle for the Imperial throne.
"the river to the underworld" references the path to what is hidden.
"Gaia's daughter" references truth. "all unfurled" references revealed.
"Fourth minor bear in vain" references the four most powerful contenders for the throne at the time.
"By viper's sting was slain" references the late Emperor Hengist Duval.
"She is tasked with soothing pain" could reference healing or making things right again.
"The piercer was how he was known" Brendan Paul Daris?
"Achilles' favored horse" the Trojan horse (appearing harmless but isn't.
Women of vengeance infernal" could reference the Empress, Senator Torval, Aisling Duval
"The vain queen rides not forth" Aisling Duval?
"a poor miser's sum" Nothing? Death?
Fibonacci's Zephyrum could reference certain verses in the riddle. e.g., verses 1,2,3,5,8,etc.
I have only conjecture at this point and there are many missing pieces, but it would explain why her death was ordered and that nobody should speak to her. Of course so would having information about the aliens.
Thanks for giving my theory even a modicum of consideration.
 
No software programmer, I just link information I've found. I don't know if it may be useful.

A link about the generation of names in Elite:

https://books.google.es/books?id=Na...AB#v=onepage&q=elite generation names&f=false

And a chart from that link. Perhaps the list of names (First letter? First two letters?) should give us a name using a key, like the game Elite of 1984.

http://i.imgur.com/JfgizBT.png

Nice find.
The stuff concerning the random generation in Elite starts at page 113.
https://books.google.de/books?id=Na...&q=elite 1984 random generation table&f=false
 
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The golden ratio is the limit of x(n+1)/x(n) in the fibanocci series. So, the last 2 terms being closest in natural. If you take more terms you will find them to be closer.
Yep, but wanted to keep the series to maximum 10 numbers, to apply the 10,7,5,3 as positions within that series. ;)
 
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