THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)

[Saool]

I can't really better this reply:



https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fugitive



Nelson Mandela and many other great historic figures were once fugitives. Fiction is rife with heroic fugitives from Robin Hood to Jason Bourne. It's not a pejorative term.

Hell, even Erimus uses the term in his event thread. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...onition-End-Game-Event-29th-April-3303 Cheers, Are you suspicious of him?

I really don't have side in this. And that's my problem. How about you try and convince me to pick one.

I guess.

And as for sides, I would say this.

If Salome is right, and there is a major cover up, by helping her, you help expose that cover up. By hindering her you help ensure it works and you protect those responsible. I doubt they will thank you.

If Salome is wrong, and there is no cover up, by helping her you are helping a single 'fugitive' grab a few headlines. By hindering her you are helping stop a single fugitive.

I would say there is not a whole lot to lose if she is wrong. But there is a whole lot to lose if she is right and she fails.

- - - Updated - - -

Well I didn't just want a list of people saying 'Tionisla'

Well it's hardly my fault if other people pick the right answer as well.

 

[BluWolve]

I guess.

And as for sides, I would say this.

If Salome is right, and there is a major cover up, by helping her, you help expose that cover up. By hindering her you help ensure it works and you protect those responsible. I doubt they will thank you.

If Salome is wrong, and there is no cover up, by helping her you are helping a single 'fugitive' grab a few headlines. By hindering her you are helping stop a single fugitive.

I would say there is not a whole lot to lose if she is wrong. But there is a whole lot to lose if she is right and she fails.

- - - Updated - - -




Well it's hardly my fault if other people pick the right answer as well.

My thoughts exactly. There really isn't much incentive to oppose Salomé in this situation. Unless you are loyal to the empire or very short on funds that is. I mean, pfft, 2mil bounty doesn't come close to covering the insurance on my Clipper - make it 20 mil or 200 mil - that would get peoples attention. 200mil is chicken feed to the imps, how bad do they want her head really?

 

[Saool]

My thoughts exactly. There really isn't much incentive to oppose Salomé in this situation. Unless you are loyal to the empire or very short on funds that is. I mean, pfft, 2mil bounty doesn't come close to covering the insurance on my Clipper - make it 20 mil or 200 mil - that would get peoples attention. 200mil is chicken feed to the imps, how bad do they want her head really?

The only incentive I can think of is the infamy of being the person or people who killed Salome, and maybe oc, getting your commander into the book.

Now getting your commander into the book would be epic, but A. The chances are very small, and B. I would not want to sell out on my ic principles for it.

EDIT: unless I get in in game message from Edmund Mahon himself (and FDEV verified), or from the Turner's saying this is not what you think and you absolutely must stop her. And even then stop does not mean kill.

EVEN MORE EDIT: and even then I would need some sort of proof up front...

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

…

If Salome is right, and there is a major cover up, by helping her, you help expose that cover up. By hindering her you help ensure it works and you protect those responsible. I doubt they will thank you.

If Salome is wrong, and there is no cover up, by helping her you are helping a single 'fugitive' grab a few headlines. By hindering her you are helping stop a single fugitive.

I would say there is not a whole lot to lose if she is wrong. But there is a whole lot to lose if she is right and she fails.
…

What do "we" get if the conspiracy is revealed?

The question for me is what is covered up and how would revealing the truth affect the galaxy. Truth can be very dangerous. It could affect a lot of people in a very negative way - people not involved in the conspiracy. Normal people, simply trying live their lives.

From "Reclamation" I get the impression that Salomé is willing to risk the lives of thousands just to get what she thinks is her right or what she considers justice.
I simply don't trust her to make a decision for more than herself - and even those decisions often where really bad. And now I should trust her that the truth she wants to reveal is not going to negatively affect innocents?

If what ever is covered up turns out to result in war, death of millions and chaos - is it worth to uncover it? Just because some "bad" people covered it up?
I think in that case Salomé should get stopped from revealing the truth - and I would prefer an outcome where nobody dies.

If what ever is covered up turns out to be something that has been done for personal profit of a few. What would uncovering that truth change in a galaxy where injustice is the norm? It wouldn't suddenly turn the galaxy into a better place.
Revenge for a few thousand deaths? In a galaxy where slavery is standard, where even slight transgressions of the law result in death penalties?

Now, the bad thing is the conspiracy could result in something really bad happening and uncovering could prevent that from happening.
We just don't know.

That's my problem. I don't trust Salomé to make the right decision. I don't know if uncovering the conspiracy will result in something good or bad. I don't even know if that conspiracy is worth spending more than a few minutes to think about.

 

[Maxmilian Czhilli]

I guess.

And as for sides, I would say this.

If Salome is right, and there is a major cover up, by helping her, you help expose that cover up. By hindering her you help ensure it works and you protect those responsible. I doubt they will thank you.

If Salome is wrong, and there is no cover up, by helping her you are helping a single 'fugitive' grab a few headlines. By hindering her you are helping stop a single fugitive.

I would say there is not a whole lot to lose if she is wrong. But there is a whole lot to lose if she is right and she fails.

Thanks . I'm all for exposing conspiracies, so that's quite a persuasive argument. My relationship with Empire is a lukewarm cordial, I hold no rank with them and have no interest in enforcing Imperial "justice".

Of course the other side contend that Salomé and her associates plan to "destabilise the galaxy." I have seen even less evidence to back up this claim which is a shame. Maybe it's just an empty justification to settle an Imperial squabble.

Can anyone tell me more about her associates? I know that some were implicated in the meta-alloy heist at Darnielle’s Progress but otherwise know very little about them.

 

[Mathew of Tegalus]

Thanks . I'm all for exposing conspiracies, so that's quite a persuasive argument. My relationship with Empire is a lukewarm cordial, I hold no rank with them and have no interest in enforcing Imperial "justice".

Of course the other side contend that Salomé and her associates plan to "destabilise the galaxy." I have seen even less evidence to back up this claim which is a shame. Maybe it's just an empty justification to settle an Imperial squabble.

Can anyone tell me more about her associates? I know that some were implicated in the meta-alloy heist at Darnielle’s Progress but otherwise know very little about them.

Not the firs theft at Darnielles, those bams stole hundreds of millions of credits when I bought 400t of Meta Alloys to keep Jaques open for both CCC and the first round of CEI. There is no way Salomes heist should have damaged them too badly thanks to me. Unless of course they stole my cash too, in which case she gotta die.

 

[Trafalgar Law]

What do "we" get if the conspiracy is revealed?

The question for me is what is covered up and how would revealing the truth affect the galaxy. Truth can be very dangerous. It could affect a lot of people in a very negative way - people not involved in the conspiracy. Normal people, simply trying live their lives.

From "Reclamation" I get the impression that Salomé is willing to risk the lives of thousands just to get what she thinks is her right or what she considers justice.
I simply don't trust her to make a decision for more than herself - and even those decisions often where really bad. And now I should trust her that the truth she wants to reveal is not going to negatively affect innocents?

If what ever is covered up turns out to result in war, death of millions and chaos - is it worth to uncover it? Just because some "bad" people covered it up?
I think in that case Salomé should get stopped from revealing the truth - and I would prefer an outcome where nobody dies.

If what ever is covered up turns out to be something that has been done for personal profit of a few. What would uncovering that truth change in a galaxy where injustice is the norm? It wouldn't suddenly turn the galaxy into a better place.
Revenge for a few thousand deaths? In a galaxy where slavery is standard, where even slight transgressions of the law result in death penalties?

Now, the bad thing is the conspiracy could result in something really bad happening and uncovering could prevent that from happening.
We just don't know.

That's my problem. I don't trust Salomé to make the right decision. I don't know if uncovering the conspiracy will result in something good or bad. I don't even know if that conspiracy is worth spending more than a few minutes to think about.

This post essentially sums up my feelings about the whole affair. I trust Salome about as far as I can throw an Anaconda (based on her actions in Reclamation and her behaviour since) and I trust the Children of Raxxla even less. As I said before there are some truths better left buried.

 

[Grey Wolfe]

Greetings CMDRs,

I am planning to take part in this event on the 29th but have little information to go on other than what's been posted on Drew Wagar's Blog.

I'm sure there is more information to be found in this thread but unfortunately I don't have the time to read a discussion thats 500 pages long so I was wondering is there a place where strategy for each side is being discussed?

How will CMDRs joining the fight know which player is on whose side ...?

 

[Han_Zen]

This post essentially sums up my feelings about the whole affair. I trust Salome about as far as I can throw an Anaconda (based on her actions in Reclamation and her behaviour since) and I trust the Children of Raxxla even less. As I said before there are some truths better left buried.

The truth must be revealed. If it affects a lot of people in a very negative way, that's a bonus.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Greetings CMDRs,

I am planning to take part in this event on the 29th but have little information to go on other than what's been posted on Drew Wagar's Blog.

I'm sure there is more information to be found in this thread but unfortunately I don't have the time to read a discussion thats 500 pages long so I was wondering is there a place where strategy for each side is being discussed?

How will CMDRs joining the fight know which player is on whose side ...?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/347455-The-Premonition-End-Game-Event-29th-April-3303

This is an excellent summary about the event on April 29.

 

[Belthize]

Can I clarify, the mystery of the Formidine Rift is basically the major powers depositing beacons and terraforming gear inside or beyond the Formidine Rift? That it's basically a fear of an impending alien invasion that the 'Elite' are aware of, hiding from the general populace, that's the great mystery? Seriously?

From a timeline perspective the above can't be the whole story, not really. Rebecca was first mindwiped around 3138 and repeatedly thereafter. The last time was in 3270 (she bcame a librarian) which also happend to be the year that a) Salome's parents had their first child, b) The Dynasty Expedition presumably launched, c) frame shift drive is developed. We don't know when Rebecca ventured out to the Rift but it was quite a bit before 3270 so the powers were looking for something the MiB (technically the Men in Grey) were determined to hide by mind wiping her whenever she found out.

So what we have isn't the story, it's another hint toward the story.

In terms of the ongoing debate to help or not, the fact that Rebecca wanted the story out is good enough for me. Her I trust, the fact that Salome has the same view is a mere convenience.

 

[-Denali-]

What do "we" get if the conspiracy is revealed?

The question for me is what is covered up and how would revealing the truth affect the galaxy. Truth can be very dangerous. It could affect a lot of people in a very negative way - people not involved in the conspiracy. Normal people, simply trying live their lives.

From "Reclamation" I get the impression that Salomé is willing to risk the lives of thousands just to get what she thinks is her right or what she considers justice.
I simply don't trust her to make a decision for more than herself - and even those decisions often where really bad. And now I should trust her that the truth she wants to reveal is not going to negatively affect innocents?

If what ever is covered up turns out to result in war, death of millions and chaos - is it worth to uncover it? Just because some "bad" people covered it up?
I think in that case Salomé should get stopped from revealing the truth - and I would prefer an outcome where nobody dies.

If what ever is covered up turns out to be something that has been done for personal profit of a few. What would uncovering that truth change in a galaxy where injustice is the norm? It wouldn't suddenly turn the galaxy into a better place.
Revenge for a few thousand deaths? In a galaxy where slavery is standard, where even slight transgressions of the law result in death penalties?

Now, the bad thing is the conspiracy could result in something really bad happening and uncovering could prevent that from happening.
We just don't know.

That's my problem. I don't trust Salomé to make the right decision. I don't know if uncovering the conspiracy will result in something good or bad. I don't even know if that conspiracy is worth spending more than a few minutes to think about.

The answer to your question really depends on what sort of conspiracy she has to reveal. My guess is that letting her live and make it is going to unlock in game content of some type. Drew has said that if they don't make it they'll just have to find someway to get what she has to say out there eventually anyways.

What I'm really hoping though is that she reveals something so far beyond bad that we, the pilots of the pilots federation decide to get together and do something about it. If that means declaring collective war on the powers, waging battles to send every cap ship into dry dock, forcing factions from systems, sending power play characters into intentional chaos and retreat - well that's the sort of content I'd always hoped to see in Elite.

Haven't you all ever wanted to know just how far we can shape the game's universe? What happens in Elite if the players declare total war? I really want to know!

 

[CMDR MRMAURICE]

If anyone is in doubt about if the rift mystery is all done and dusted, obsidianant did an interview with drew, it's worth a listen.

 

[bAdbUd]

What do "we" get if the conspiracy is revealed?

The question for me is what is covered up and how would revealing the truth affect the galaxy. Truth can be very dangerous. It could affect a lot of people in a very negative way - people not involved in the conspiracy. Normal people, simply trying live their lives.

From "Reclamation" I get the impression that Salomé is willing to risk the lives of thousands just to get what she thinks is her right or what she considers justice.
I simply don't trust her to make a decision for more than herself - and even those decisions often where really bad. And now I should trust her that the truth she wants to reveal is not going to negatively affect innocents?

If what ever is covered up turns out to result in war, death of millions and chaos - is it worth to uncover it? Just because some "bad" people covered it up?
I think in that case Salomé should get stopped from revealing the truth - and I would prefer an outcome where nobody dies.

If what ever is covered up turns out to be something that has been done for personal profit of a few. What would uncovering that truth change in a galaxy where injustice is the norm? It wouldn't suddenly turn the galaxy into a better place.
Revenge for a few thousand deaths? In a galaxy where slavery is standard, where even slight transgressions of the law result in death penalties?

Now, the bad thing is the conspiracy could result in something really bad happening and uncovering could prevent that from happening.
We just don't know.

That's my problem. I don't trust Salomé to make the right decision. I don't know if uncovering the conspiracy will result in something good or bad. I don't even know if that conspiracy is worth spending more than a few minutes to think about.

Fantastic summary CMDR [up]

- - - Updated - - -

If anyone is in doubt about if the rift mystery is all done and dusted, obsidianant did an interview with drew, it's worth a listen.

What the the Conflux and Hawkins Gap?

 

[Zenith]

Can I have a guess too?

I reckon Beagle Point [yesnod]

[video=youtube;PFxEQav5CKA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFxEQav5CKA[/video]

 

[CMDR MRMAURICE]

Fantastic summary CMDR [up]

- - - Updated - - -



What the the Conflux and Hawkins Gap?

The rift, as I said if anybody is in doubt, give it a listen. I'm surprised anybody even needs pointing to it, people are just assuming that this megaship and beacons are it, well they're not. Seriously it's 2 and a half hours of Drew's opinions and basically going over it all, it's well worth a listen

 

[CMDR MRMAURICE]

Well, it's a long interview (just looked it up). Could you provide a summary of the key points at all, please?

Basically, I have just listened to the logs and the note from the lady stating that she isn't going to find out who is behind things out here (in the Rift), but rather back in the 'bubble', where she is heading, seems to suggest that spending further time searching the Rift is pointless. I'm hoping I'm wrong...

I wouldn't be able to do it justice tbh. It's ok though I'm sure someone else will and give you the key points you so require. But just to add the rift mystery hasn't been solved

 

[G4RY]

Well, it's a long interview (just looked it up). Could you provide a summary of the key points at all, please?

Basically, I have just listened to the logs and the note from the lady stating that she isn't going to find out who is behind things out here (in the Rift), but rather back in the 'bubble', where she is heading, seems to suggest that spending further time searching the Rift is pointless. I'm hoping I'm wrong...

Everyone correct me if i'm wrong here!!

Yes, once the Zurara was found, The log's tell us that our next clue will be in the bubble.. And (assuming i'm right here) we will get our next clue after the event on Saturday 29th, well... if Salomé survives that is. Drew Wagar has already stated the the Rift mystery is far from over. There is more to the mystery... and we haven't found 'it' yet.

Whatever 'it' is.. is anyone's guess.

 

[Toffmeister]

We'll not know much more about the rift until the permit lock is lifted.

It's hard to discover what's there when you are not allowed to look.

 

[Tanksy]

OK, well, having just flown out to the Zurura and listened to the logs, I have no intention of jumping all the way back for the event. I'm gonna have to stay out here and wait for whatever clues come up, ans continue the search blindly in the interim.

I've not even begun my trip to Zurara yet, and I'm already piecing together clues about Dynasty and its purpose(s). Read through the thread a bit in the past 20 or so pages, there's been plenty of speculation, theories and ideas on what's left out there to find. Bare in mind -- The original Formidine Rift expeditions didn't even find the original "Adrift Anaconda" that was originally the Zurara before being given the 2.3 Revamp + Logs. The Zurara most likely isn't the last piece of the puzzle to find out there, and whilst Rebecca talks about going back to the "Core", that doesn't dismiss other potential leads. A good starting point would be to charter the R.R. Line in your GalMap bookmarks, see the relation from it to the Zurara and try to plot a course as if you were following the line further than the Zurara managed to get.

Remember, Originally the Dynasty project was an entire fleet of Anacondas for the Formidine Rift, Conflux and Hawkin's Gap sectors of the galaxy. They were dumping beacons, first and foremost -- Whilst the Zurara had Beacons and Terraforming equipment. Follow the R.R. Line from the Zurara to look for ELW or Terraforming candidates. Trust me if you are really set on trying to help find things that the previous expeditions missed, then we need to go further afield with our searches and be pretty thorough about it.

I don't like to think that we would be coming out so far just to go back to the bubble for the Author of the story to just hand you a quick-fix ending because people stopped caring about finding his secrets. There's still things out there left to find, more clues, more information. Salomé is a get-out-of-jail-free card with really nothing to do with DYNASTY at all, just that she's got "Information" about the conspiracy behind it. She's more of a scape-goat for the lazy, careless and uninterested people who don't want to truly get involved in the Rift mystery but still want thier name in lights.