#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.

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Hi

Full support to the 3rdparty dev'

I inform:
Two of my websites will be offline ASAP :
www.galnet.fr
http://news.galnet.fr The Galnet in french & english with categories, timeline (created by a 3rdparty dev), etc.

EDIT : both of them are now "offline". My websites are, of course, very smaller than inara etc. But I think this action is very important for the community.
 
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No, 3rd parties cannot make demands of the developers.

But the developers cannot make demands of 3rd parties either. The fact that they are independent is a double-edged sword. The 3rd parties can do whatever they like with their tools; up to, and including, withholding them as a form of protest.

3rd parties have spent countless hours developing tools to improve the player experience. They have even spent a good deal of money, I imagine. They have invested much and it's entirely understandable why they would attempt to protect and improve their investment.

If they grow tired of developing these tools what would you have them do? Soldier on until one day they wake up and decide it isn't worth it anymore; cease all development and pull the plugs on the servers? That would be far worse for the community no matter how you slice it.

It's unfortunate that the state of the game has made players reliant on these tools. It's unfortunate that the 3rd parties are feeling abandoned. But this isn't something fdev can simply ignore because "they did it on their own time, lol". For better or worse a large segment of the community require these tools to enjoy the game, and if fdev is in the business of keeping their players happy they find themselves in the incredibly awkward position of keeping the 3rd parties happy.


Best solution? How about having all the functions of these tools in-game so this never a problem?
 
Why do we even have to ask for this...

Unless your whole point is to discourage and suppress this type of information from some game design point of view, why do we even have to ask for your help when 3rd party developers are doing you a SOLID and creating useful content that supports players playing your game. [mad]
 
So just to clarify for those that are railing against this.

The EDDN etc. developers, are lets face it doing a technically skilled , what would ordinarily be a decently paid job, for FDev. Make no mistake that the tools they provide bring the quality of of life features of the game to a playable state for the vast majority of the playerbase (In fact I invite anyone who does not use any of these tools to speak up about their experiences).

And they are doing this for free, having invested their time and tools in doing so.

They have quite reasonably asked for their hard work not to be pulled out from under them, and more than reasonably, managed to keep things limping along by dint of inventiveness and hard work.

And you have the gall to criticise them for it, when they are under no obligation whatsoever to even continue providing these free services to you, at all, they could just say "nah, don't fancy doing this" and walk away.

What is wrong with you?

I invite you to take the time and make your own version, after all, you have the same means to work on them as anyone else outside of FDev.

Otherwise criticising the action by these guys marks you out for what you are, a total hypocrite who wants everything served to them for free whilst at the same time being unwilling to provide those things for yourself, heck I bet the majority of you don't even have the good grace to use something like EDMC to provide your own data, leeches.
The people you should be criticising here is FDev for in the first instance, failing to provide the proper tools ingame, thus forcing the community to fill in the gaps, and in the second instance not bowing down and worshipping these guys for improving their player retention my a massive factor, as free labour.

I fully expect active player numbers to drop off a cliff in the next few days as even something as simple as finding a ship or a module becomes functionally impossible.
 
I use Inara.cz on an almost daily basis. The reason I use it is because the game doesn't allow players to save more than 1 Engineer blueprint at a time, and while I could take screenshots of every blueprint from every engineer, along with the special effects, I prefer to let the crowd do it and get back to what I enjoy; playing Elite: Dangerous.

FD, please assist Inara in anyway you can in order for them to keep their great product online.

Thanks

Commander Tall Cool One
 
Guess I'll go reset my own spread sheets again. And if this continues drop a few bookmarks from my favourites as well.

I'll still be playing Elite Dangerous, with or without 'extra' tools.
 
There's been at least 3 people here say they couldn't play ED without the sites. Taking them away and then making everyone rely on the awful ingame tools along with the shallow repetitive gameplay? I'd say these tools are the paste holding ED together given what they do for the community.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

The sites are a convenience. Yes, some of them are very helpful, but they're not vital. And frankly, if you've based your entire ability to play the game on the existence of a 3rd prty website that could vanish at any moment through the whims of its creator, then you're a fool.
 
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and *WHOOSH*.

Ill give you a hint, strikes are done by employees. 3rd party dev's arent employees.

Strikes aren't always done by employees, withholding labor is a tool that can be used by anyone at any time. The idea that a strike can only be performed by an employee is complete nonsense propagated by the employing class to prevent the working class from recognizing that it holds all the power.

Frontier creates a product. The product is made more enjoyable by third party tools. Frontier does not help third party tool developers. The community widely uses third party tools, so the third party tool developers are withholding their labor to make a demand that Frontier can choose to yield to, or choose to ignore. If they ignore it, it hurts their profits. This is direct action, friend, and it is a Very Good Thing because Frontier should not benefit from the labor of third party developers and then not even so much as say "hello."

This is obviously very effective strike action, just look at the velocity of this very thread.

But since you don't value the labor of these third party developers, and clearly don't use their tools when you play Elite, this doesn't affect you anyhow, now, does it?
 
Good luck guys... And it's a shame you feel you have no other course than to highlight just how useful your sites/tools are!

And I have to say personally... wise timing doing it over this weekend! I'm sure it's more than a coincidence :)
 
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Ozric

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Are they what extorting anyone!
Hyperbole much!
The situation is better described as:
If I help my neighbour dig rocks out of his garden so he can have a smooth lawn and I ask 'can you give me the keys for the shed so I can use the wheelbarrow to take the rocks to the skip' and they don't answer why the heck would I continue to help them out if they're making an already tough job harder by not responding and providing basic tools?

Except you start digging the rocks without asking if your neighbour wants the help, because you don't like the way his lawn looks.
 
Dear 3rd party developers.


I don't care about your tools, don't use them, so strike all you like. Basing your applications on APIs that aren't officially supported comes with the risk of them changing without notice, it something us devs have to live with. All this look like is you are intentionally sabotaging Frontier and Drew event on 29th of April and Frontier work to stabilise and fix bugs in the current build of the game, which should be their main focus. So if I did use your tools I could never support your actions anyway.

So shut down your sites, keep them down forever for all I care, new ones will arise, they always do, might even bring some more innovations to the table.


Your sincerely

Knowles 2.
 
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Whoah... In-game tool ain't really that great so EDDB has been a must have tool for me all the time.
If I can't you actually useful tool to navigate, trade etc then this is just simply over for me. I'm not a daily, but rather a weekly ED gamer. Too bad you need to break something which doesn't do any harm, but rather good.
 
To me, I would say the game would become unplayable for new players and all the current players would scarsely try soemthing new

My use of the sites is as follows:

Coriolis.io - I've spent around 10 minutes on this site around a year ago. I was curious but got nothing from it.
INRA - I signed up, did a little bit of setting up then realised... I'm not actually playing the game and so left it and have no reason to return to it.

I've been playing for approx 2 years fine without any of the tools used for trading or exploring yet I've managed to do everything I can in the game. Your comment is wide of the mark for new players. How are they supposed to even know there are 3 party tools for the game? They don't until they do a search. New players are fine with the game, what concerns me is the number of players that think the game can only be played with these tools.

Yes 3PD's do a great job and can control access to their work as they see fit but to take the tools away right before a community event is just the same as a kid throwing a tantrum. Now lets imagine how FD could respond...

[video=youtube;ZoCaUnBiGGg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoCaUnBiGGg[/video]

3PD's better hope this does not backfire on them.
 
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After some reading, this is what I want to see happen:

For FD to add these types of tools into the actual game.

That would make the 3PD's obsolete, and hey presto! This thread never happens again.

Make it so Frontier. Destroy the need for 3PD's. Everyone wins. Srsly.
 
On an issue about communication...

Almost 3 hours later and nothing apart from a canned response from the ed-bot (seriously, I think the staff and mod responses on these forums should have to complete captchas sometimes)
 
Strikes aren't always done by employees, withholding labor is a tool that can be used by anyone at any time. The idea that a strike can only be performed by an employee is complete nonsense propagated by the employing class to prevent the working class from recognizing that it holds all the power.

Frontier creates a product. The product is made more enjoyable by third party tools. Frontier does not help third party tool developers. The community widely uses third party tools, so the third party tool developers are withholding their labor to make a demand that Frontier can choose to yield to, or choose to ignore. If they ignore it, it hurts their profits. This is direct action, friend, and it is a Very Good Thing because Frontier should not benefit from the labor of third party developers and then not even so much as say "hello."

This is obviously very effective strike action, just look at the velocity of this very thread.

But since you don't value the labor of these third party developers, and clearly don't use their tools when you play Elite, this doesn't affect you anyhow, now, does it?
If I could rep you on mobile I would!
 
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