If the site's uneeded why are you complaining about it?
#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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If the site's uneeded why are you complaining about it?
Exactly. For all we know, they are busy with their own mother of all apps to enrich the players 'experience', or they are too busy to give this any attention, or they just don't care. You can't call them out for anything.
In essence, taken to extremes, 3rd party developers building with no SLA should disclaim their stuff heavily by explaining and warning their users that everything is build on ice and summer might be coming.
There is gray between white and black, there really is...
Well this is certainly inconvenient to say the least. While I am not reliant on any of these sites for my day-to-day play, they do help get me through my work day by filling my idle time with theory-craft and planning.
Of course, this does happen at the most opportune time - as I am currently in some system, running mission after mission, building my rank, and I'm pretty sure I can find my way back and forth (I'm on my 3rd round of 20 trips) between these places without these.
But I certainly understand the sentiment - having developed game resources myself in the past, both with (Elder Scrolls: Morrowind) support from the developers (no volume of thanks could ever be enough for the supply of reference models, vertex weighting tables, and 3ds Max Import and Export plugins), and without (Sims 2/Sims 3 - good luck even getting acknowledge as existing by EA), so I do understand. However, holding a community "hostage" to vent frustration? Kind of a D___ move.
Of course, this does happen at the most opportune time - as I am currently in some system, running mission after mission, building my rank, and I'm pretty sure I can find my way back and forth (I'm on my 3rd round of 20 trips) between these places without these.
But I certainly understand the sentiment - having developed game resources myself in the past, both with (Elder Scrolls: Morrowind) support from the developers (no volume of thanks could ever be enough for the supply of reference models, vertex weighting tables, and 3ds Max Import and Export plugins), and without (Sims 2/Sims 3 - good luck even getting acknowledge as existing by EA), so I do understand. However, holding a community "hostage" to vent frustration? Kind of a D___ move.
ding ding, we have a winner.
"I dont need 3rd party sites", "I use them here and there", "It is your choice to make them, FDev is not making you"...
All valid points but lets be honest what would happen if this goes beyond 30th...
eddb - 404 error
coriolis - 404 error
exploration tools - stop being updated
other tools - stop being updated
other sites - 404 error
It would be fine for few days but then... Who is that dude who gives G5 something and how to unlock him BTW, where can I get X commodity, where to get discounted stuff, permit?!!!!?, and 10000 other queries here on the forums.
Nightmare for newer players. Veterans remember (mostly thanks to the tools) where to get most of the stuff but still... As 3rd party web\tools went away you would also feel it. One way or another because 99% of people here use them. If for nothing else then to check how to farm trade CGs most efficiently.
ED InGame is severely lacking in information 3rd offer unless you want to sol <> barnards star with computer components and animal machinery. They are time savers (ppl constantly complaining about grind, imagine without 3rd), galactic mapping is just too good, travel history, etc, etc...
I hope they get some love from FDev. It is well deserved and is keeping ED accessible for everybody. If you dont wanna use them then dont but again, everybody is using them. If nothing, 1 website.
All valid points but lets be honest what would happen if this goes beyond 30th...
eddb - 404 error
coriolis - 404 error
exploration tools - stop being updated
other tools - stop being updated
other sites - 404 error
It would be fine for few days but then... Who is that dude who gives G5 something and how to unlock him BTW, where can I get X commodity, where to get discounted stuff, permit?!!!!?, and 10000 other queries here on the forums.
Nightmare for newer players. Veterans remember (mostly thanks to the tools) where to get most of the stuff but still... As 3rd party web\tools went away you would also feel it. One way or another because 99% of people here use them. If for nothing else then to check how to farm trade CGs most efficiently.
ED InGame is severely lacking in information 3rd offer unless you want to sol <> barnards star with computer components and animal machinery. They are time savers (ppl constantly complaining about grind, imagine without 3rd), galactic mapping is just too good, travel history, etc, etc...
I hope they get some love from FDev. It is well deserved and is keeping ED accessible for everybody. If you dont wanna use them then dont but again, everybody is using them. If nothing, 1 website.
At what point have I ever implied that FD are idiots.
It funny to see what people read into things....Kinda tells you where their head is at.
Fd has already screwed engineering with today's patch so no loss there.
Hyperbole imo. I'm sure Discord will manage just fine organizing and coordinating. Those coordinating are likely using in game book marks that were pre-scouted or pre-planned.
There is no overarching conspiracy to shut down Salomé via 3rd party strikes. In fact, I think you'll find many of her greatest supporters will likely be supporting this movement.
Oh yes there is, or why do it now?
It wouldn't make sense unless you wanted to cause maximum damage to the 29th event, create more bad news about 2.3 and in turn drive more people away from both the forums and the game.
Discord will have to do, I said it would make things easier to have the tools available.
My Main point is that because this event it being targetted, we will probably never have another in-game event like the 29th.
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Crikey, you can certainly play the game without the tools (and I mostly do) but it really helps to have them sometimes.
Currently I'm outfitting a new ship, it is really very useful to know where I can get the modules I want from. I've been flying around looking for them, trying likely sites, but that hasn't worked and now I'd really like to just know... I would prefer to have an in game system for finding this out or getting hints (beyond visiting each station in turn and writing everything down) but in lieu of that I'm super glad the 3rd party developers are there to fill in the gap and I feel they deserve support.
Currently I'm outfitting a new ship, it is really very useful to know where I can get the modules I want from. I've been flying around looking for them, trying likely sites, but that hasn't worked and now I'd really like to just know... I would prefer to have an in game system for finding this out or getting hints (beyond visiting each station in turn and writing everything down) but in lieu of that I'm super glad the 3rd party developers are there to fill in the gap and I feel they deserve support.
As a user of these tools extensively (Except Inara since it has failed to update engineers for to game releases now), i am in favour of some sort of action.
However, i detest Strikes, and lets face it this is a strike of sorts. I have never agreed with the ethos of unions and detest that they greatly inconvenience the WRONG people and IMHO they cause more anger against what they are trying to achieve.
So what else to do? I am sorry but i don't know as i have no idea if any of the developers have the ear of anyone with influence at FD, but if they do maybe trying to get a meeting with the team leader who deals with this side of the game, and perhaps one of two of the real decision makers in FD.
But to remove your services you are not really going to affect FD who will i assume, causally ignore this 'Strike', you will effect US your users. Some of you have received my donations for your hardwork and great thinking and programming, will you be compensating me for this 'Strike'?
To Precis my post down to a sentence, i support you, but i do not support the withdrawal of these programs, but i wish you luck in your endeavours and perhaps a better way to demonstrate your dissatisfaction could have been sought?
However, i detest Strikes, and lets face it this is a strike of sorts. I have never agreed with the ethos of unions and detest that they greatly inconvenience the WRONG people and IMHO they cause more anger against what they are trying to achieve.
So what else to do? I am sorry but i don't know as i have no idea if any of the developers have the ear of anyone with influence at FD, but if they do maybe trying to get a meeting with the team leader who deals with this side of the game, and perhaps one of two of the real decision makers in FD.
But to remove your services you are not really going to affect FD who will i assume, causally ignore this 'Strike', you will effect US your users. Some of you have received my donations for your hardwork and great thinking and programming, will you be compensating me for this 'Strike'?
To Precis my post down to a sentence, i support you, but i do not support the withdrawal of these programs, but i wish you luck in your endeavours and perhaps a better way to demonstrate your dissatisfaction could have been sought?
As much as I think these sites deserve some support, the likes of eddb or an fdev equivalent should have been implemented in the game anyway. I'm sure there's other 3rd party tools out there that should be part of fdev's development of elite dangerous in general.
A commander has run out of patience.
^^this. What a lot of posters here are forgetting is that it isn't all about them. These sites are super useful to others.
It seems to me, (with the 2.3 release of "Commanders") that forming and managing wing activity and crewing would be vary chaotic and prone to failures without the third party tool(s). Almost like crewing was designed to take advantage of those external tools. Without the support offered by third-party tools it's just bullies running around looking for it, or a bunch of folks sitting alone in the dark with the same wishes we had in the 80's.
I've said this a couple of times in this thread already, but: it's not sabotage/ransom/extortion if the tools are not considered important. If they are considered important (either by Frontier or by the community), i.e., adding value to the game, then it's time for Frontier to wake up and realise they need to give something in return for 3rd party developers' time and effort.
(In your case, if it's true that you don't care about the tools or think they are adding value to the game, what damage would this "sabotage" then cause?)
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First thanks for all the hard work you guys do its really appreciated! Without these tools i whould play a lot less Elite because youre f...ed if you want to do the same with the ingame tools!
Hopefully Frontier listens and does a step in your direction!
fly safe cmdrs o7
Hopefully Frontier listens and does a step in your direction!
fly safe cmdrs o7
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No idea why people are saying it hurts the weekends event. I see zero correlation.
People are complaining for various reasons, probably mainly because people enjoy using those sites and find them useful. I know i do! It will be slightly annoying for me knowing my EDSM data isn't being uploaded, or that i'm not getting nice tips on the BGS state and commodity prices from EEDI.
Overall, a rather sad state of affairs and I sincerely hope they never do anything like this again.
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You can't support what they're doing? You can't remember you said that? You wrote it 10 minutes ago mate.,
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