#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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I think you're missing the point. First of all, everybody is upset that Frontier took the time during the development of the patch TO TAKE AWAY THINGS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE API. Second, because of that decision, the developers of 3rd party tools are asking to have better communication with Frontier. That would not take out any development effort to realize your additional exploration features, your better in-game tools (only God knows when we will get them), your changes to how PvE piracy works, etc.
I think it's entirely reasonable that they ask for a technical channel at Frontier to stay on the top of things instead of being put in front of decisions that Frontier made without any warning. And judging by the number of comments to this thread so far, I think I'm not the only one thinking it is reasonable. So far, the support for the 3rd party developers far outnumbers the people saying the tools are not useful or that it would prevent Frontier to adding more contents and fixing bugs in the game.
And really, I think a lot of people are missing the bigger picture. These tools exist because people voted with their usage. If these tools didn't see any use, do you think the developers would continue supporting them and adding new features to them? I don't think so. So, these tools exist out of a NEED. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant, dozens of people so far have stated that they are using those tools.
And you know what, instead of trying to ignore those 3rd party developers, Frontier should understand that they get thousands of man-hours for FREE which results in more people enjoying THEIR game. Why do you think that so many games these days encourage modding? Because it keeps the interest in the game and help them sell more. I don't understand why so many people seem to fail to understand that. It's all in Frontier's interest to help 3rd party tools to flourish because they are the one who will reap the benefits, not those 3rd party developers that offer their tools for FREE as a labor of love. Sheesh! I never did any marketing class but I can understand this!
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Wow aren't you so kind and thoughtful...
Why not? I mean not like this is not Elite Related... I already feed up with the much Fdev try to hide from us already... trying to hide problems with APIs would be a ridiculous idea...
We worked closely with them to come to a decision together that benefits everyone... most importantly, it benefits the community and Elite Dangerous. Getting those sites back up was important to us, but also making sure the community developers trust that we want to help. We don't see it as extortion, but we made it very clear that we thought it could have been handled differently.
The important thing is that lines of communication have been opened up.
Respect!
I would also like to show my support for the 3rd party developers. The work they do and the tools they create enhance the game and provide information and guidance. I hope Frontier will care enough about it's players and community to support their efforts as well. Thanks [up]
I'm very glad to see a positive resolution and an early lift to the downtime. Thanks, Ed. and everyone else! Now, where are those Manipulators... 
Hey mate! Honestly... we had a really good chat, it lasted nearly five hours! They're well aware of how we feel about the initial post... I think we both learned valuable lessons today. We should try to be positive... hey those websites are back up now!
Start charging them money for the use. done and done.
These lines of communication should have been opened up without this action needing to have been taken - you only h ave yourselves to blame, sorry.
Ed, I must admit you're a guy who gets things done and clearly show that you care for ED. Thank you. You're a bright spot in the ED universe!
I'm glad to see that Frontier does, in fact, recognize the value that 3rd party tools bring to their game. As suspected, communication got lost in the hectic pace of development and that is unfortunate but understandable. Certainly, it can go on someone's to do list to check in with 3rd party devs on a regular basis.
I do find it interesting to take the stance that this could have been handled differently. I am at a loss for how as I doubt other avenues of communication were not tried before resorting to this drastic measure.
Anyway, I suppose we can move on with other things now.
I do find it interesting to take the stance that this could have been handled differently. I am at a loss for how as I doubt other avenues of communication were not tried before resorting to this drastic measure.
Anyway, I suppose we can move on with other things now.
I feel like communication is the true crux of the problem, and just improving that will make a big difference.
For that matter, communication is the single biggest problem Frontier has as a whole. So many well intentioned efforts, especially on Ed's part, that never feel like they accomplish much because it's like everyone at the company is under a gag order about every detail of the game. "It's on the list, I can't answer that, I'll need to ask about that, No ETAs" etc, isn't communication.
As for the 3rd party devs, it sounds like the biggest thing they want and need is for something as simple as "Hey guys, we'll be changing this, this is why, here's a heads up so you can be prepared."
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Every single one of your responses to this thread have been pointless and immature. If all you're going to do is swing a baseball bat at people who disagree with you, go home.
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