#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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Which are those "in game tools for trading" that you are talking about? Where are they? Maybe you're still playing an older version of Elite?
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I agree with the factual accuracy of statements along the lines of "You guys chose to be 3rd party developers, Frontier owes you nothing." However, playing ED without the 3rd party tools is an extremely different and more difficult experience. Given how little in-game information there is to access, the 3rd party tools are semi-mandatory to enjoy the full scope and breadth of the game. Playership would be very negatively impacted if the 3rd party tools went away, and as such Frontier should recognize that and provide more comms.
Does this sudden shutdown negatively impact ED for me? Absolutely! Point well made. I hope things work out so I continue to enjoy ED. Otherwise....not so much (and therefore probably not at all).
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Nimitz68
I agree with the factual accuracy of statements along the lines of "You guys chose to be 3rd party developers, Frontier owes you nothing." However, playing ED without the 3rd party tools is an extremely different and more difficult experience. Given how little in-game information there is to access, the 3rd party tools are semi-mandatory to enjoy the full scope and breadth of the game. Playership would be very negatively impacted if the 3rd party tools went away, and as such Frontier should recognize that and provide more comms.
Does this sudden shutdown negatively impact ED for me? Absolutely! Point well made. I hope things work out so I continue to enjoy ED. Otherwise....not so much (and therefore probably not at all).
Thanks,
Nimitz68
I do think you hammer a specific agenda with great zeal. But that is your right. I just put you on temp ignore when it bugs me and take you off after a few hours.
Ozric is clearly agitated, and I can understand. Best to just ignore.
I just got in on my lunchbreak. Has the panic died down? It has? Evil Fdev been put in their place? Poor little underappreciated third party developers get enough attention? Great! Now can we all go back to our normally scheduled programming?
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Perhaps you're right but I want to give the runner a chance. I trust Ed's words that Frontier will honor their end of the bargain. Time will tell...
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Yes, more bit...ing, moaning and complaints
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Anyone is welcome to contribute
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Ozric
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No need to apologise
it's a good way of looking at things. What we learnt is better communication is needed. And if you want respect, then you start by informing the community of the situation and asking questions, not demanding action.
I can see your view point. But, that small comment, does not reduce my argument to an attack, it just seems to include one. You can't defend against my point, you can just criticize my choice in phrasing. I guess you get one point for that.
I think the right result was achieved... Fdev working more closely with 3rd party Devs and websites, though I can't help but feel the approach was approaching the level of blackmail, with (presumably) many CMDRs looking to use said tools to prepare their ships for the Premonition event.
Regardless, given the rapid growth of the thread in the space of an afternoon, it's clear that the 3rd party element does in fact play a critical role in supporting us in ED... and the fact we absolutely need such tools indicates a gap.
Regardless, given the rapid growth of the thread in the space of an afternoon, it's clear that the 3rd party element does in fact play a critical role in supporting us in ED... and the fact we absolutely need such tools indicates a gap.
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Happy that this got resolved quickly. Many 3rd part tools complement ED very nicely, and I use some of them on a regular basis.
It seems that FDev now have made a deeper time & resource commitment to 3rd parties, and I for one appreciate that. The method of engaging Fdev was obviously based on desperation, however I don't quite understand why it had to come to these rather extreme measures.
Communication is difficult, just ask my wife.
It seems that FDev now have made a deeper time & resource commitment to 3rd parties, and I for one appreciate that. The method of engaging Fdev was obviously based on desperation, however I don't quite understand why it had to come to these rather extreme measures.
Communication is difficult, just ask my wife.
I would far prefer them have a temporary outage, than have them take their ball and go home and leave whoever comes next to try to spin something up from scratch over the course of weeks or months. Saying that they resorted to "extortion" or "terrorism" by saying "you're making the work we're volunteering to do, unpaid, harder than it needs to be" is ridiculous, and akin to showing up to a soup kitchen, upending the trash cans all over the floor, and yelling at the volunteers "YOU CHOSE TO DO THIS FOR FREE YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, NOW CLEAN IT UP". The fact that we've somehow filled a thread with more than a hundred pages of people incapable of realizing they're not entitled to other people's time and effort is just icing on this entire ridiculous cake.
Could the developers have gotten the same response by posting on the forums without a direct link from their sites? It's impossible to say, now. Maybe other methods would have been sufficiently efficacious, maybe they would not have been. Ultimately, though, 3rd party developers are not and should not be expected to provide free service, both in terms of hosting and development time, for everyone's benefit. If you disagree with their points and think you can write a replacement for their site without needing to involve FDev, the same information they're using is available for you to consume as well; you're welcome to write a replacement and maintain it if you think that their method of calling attention to their potential burnout is so personally offensive. Alternatively, if you think the service they provide is worthless and unnecessary, why do you even care enough to argue here? If someone's providing a useless and unnecessary extension for something, and then complains about that thing being too hard to interface with, the most effective way of getting them to go away is by ignoring them, not arguing with them. (The fact that the developers use the services in question does indicate that it is not, in fact, useless; but that's another topic entirely.)
instant gratification. looks like win, but is it?
Just to be clear. I appreciate everything you guys do. Merely just agreeing that no one should have some conception that 3pdevs wield game ending powers.
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