#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.

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Sardu

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This thread just goes to show how dependent FDEV is on a 3rd party developer who isn't on their payroll. How long is FDEV going to exploit this free labor before they fix their own game so these outside tools aren't necessary?

This is proof that FDEV has been using these 3rd party devs as a crutch and now it's finally biting them in the behind.
 
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CptXabaras

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They are back online
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Vandaahl

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Edward Lewis said:
After speaking in private with the OP and other involved community developers, we have all agreed that it was best for the community to bring the websites back up as soon possible. This will be happening simultaneously at 19:00 UTC (where possible) for all the sites.

We have made a commitment to work more closely with the third party developer community to address concerns and support these features which the community use and value on a daily basis.

These ongoing communications will include developers from other third party websites who may be interested, not just those listed in the OP. If you are an active and established third party Elite Dangerous developer, get in touch with community@frontier.co.uk

We all hope that clears things up!

Thanks everyone,

Ed
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From this day forth, anyone, who has the guts to say that Frontier does not listen and does not communicate with the community, should have his teeth thoroughly removed from his skull, preferably by using classical physics.
 
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Ozric

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Genar-Hofoen said:
I was in the middle of typing something very much like this, but you've eloquently said everything I was wanting to say.
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I'm still interested to know what level of priority you think you "suggestions" should get.

Cobra1984 said:
They didn't ask anyone to do anything, from what I read they explained what they were doing and why, and folks were free to support them or not.
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I am only putting this to highlight it for you

We are the developers of third-party tools for Elite: Dangerous, and we are taking them offline to call attention to a request for more formal support of our efforts from Frontier. ...

There is currently no easy way for us to request features and support...

Repeated requests for support and bug fixes are made, but there is frustration caused by an apparent lack of progress on those...

If the lack of this tool has reduced your ability to play or your enjoyment of Elite: Dangerous then please let Frontier know in this thread or the Reddit post.
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azdour said:
Sorry, did not recognise your signature as hats' off. Are you allowed to have opinion, hell yes. I've just grown accustomed to moderators to highlight their hats off before replying to a post. My apologises if I have offended you.

This has been a heated debate and lines blur...
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No offence caused, the master wizard has recently been tinkering behind the scenes.

jasonbarron said:
My wife told me that if I didn't get off this forum and go outside and get some work done she was going to employ a 3rd party tool to take care of business later tonight after the lights went off.
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*chuckles*
 
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Kaltern

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Heads up for those jumping into the thread (a bit late)

The situation has been resolved, for now, and the only people still talking are those trying to put their incredibly minor opinion across. As was suggested earlier, please ignore all posts after this one, as nothing of value has been added.

Enjoy your evening, and I also add my vote to get this thread locked.
 

Pyrobee

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They do matter and that's my point.

It's not extortion as defined by dictionaries. It's not even extortion if you were to let FDev define it for you.

The only people who seem to think extortion is occurring are those who don't agree with the 3P's. And that fine to not agree with them but don't call it what it isn't. At best it's inaccurate and at worst it's an attempt to purposefully frame things in a more positive/negative light.
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Legaly it's neither extortion or blackmail. Doesn't mean that they weren't holding players base as hostages. It's not like they ever came to the community asking for help?
 
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overdark999

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As a player , and as a heavy user of MANY third party apps , I condone with the manifest.
And as I am writing , frontier and EDCD have reached a consensus.
So I send my congratulations on both sides , for a well done manifest and well done resolution.

This only shows what the best we have here. At comunity people ingenious and suportive. At FD a great team and open minds.
On this road we all have to gain , and make Elite Dangerous an even better game.

Congratulations to all.
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
slum said:
They do matter and that's my point.

It's not extortion as defined by dictionaries. It's not even extortion if you were to let FDev define it for you.

The only people who seem to think extortion is occurring are those who don't agree with the 3P's. And that fine to not agree with them but don't call it what it isn't. At best it's inaccurate and at worst it's an attempt to purposefully frame things in a more positive/negative light.
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Nope. At the core, I support the out of game developers. I call it extortion because that's how I see their actions, not their demands. I can separate the two. To reiterate: The ends never justify the means.
 

babelfisch

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Sardu said:
This thread just goes to show how dependent FDEV is on a 3rd party developer who isn't on their payroll. How long is FDEV going to exploit this free labor before they fix their own game so these outside tools aren't necessary?

This is proof that FDEV has been using these 3rd party devs as a crutch and now it's finally biting them in the behind.
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I don't know what's more ridiculous, you talking about "exploiting free labor" or the others talking about "extortion". I just know that both of you can't get any lower.
 

Sardu

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babelfisch said:
I don't know what's more ridiculous, you talking about "exploiting free labor" or the others talking about "extortion". I just know that both of you can't get any lower.
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History shows you have no stance besides blindly defending FDEV in every thread you possibly can regardless of the evidence.

I have absolutely no interest in having a dialogue with you.
 
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Monk

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Sardu said:
You have absolutely no stance besides blindly defending FDEV in every thread you possibly can. I have absolutely no interest in having a dialogue with you.
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It is called ignore user...drop down right from their name. If you have no interest in dialogue with someone the forum is furnished with a feature to allow that to happen.
 

babelfisch

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Sardu said:
History shows you no stance besides blindly defending FDEV in every thread you possibly can. I have absolutely no interest in having a dialogue with you.
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Just take a look at the threads I started and you'll see that 90% of them are criticism. Also note how I attacked both sites extremist views in the reply above. Also this:

After a very fast approach from Frontier - especially Ed Lewis who as we all know does a great job under tough circumstances, we in the EDCD feel that Frontier have been earnest in their positive response to the third-party developer community today. As such, and so as to not cause further disruption to the playerbase or upcoming game events, we thought it would be a good idea to reopen our web sites in good faith of their announced commitment.

We thank Frontier for their frank and honest exchanges, and very much look forward towards a continued symbiotic relationship between Frontier, the fantastic game Elite: Dangerous, and the third-party developers and the tools they create.
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Grow up.
 
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Toumal

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The third party websites are awesome and are absolutely impressive. I've shown them to some guys at ESA and I can tell you that aside from the galaxy simulation of the game, all the discovery and market tools blew their minds. This is a win-win for everyone.
 

Vandaahl

Vandaahl
babelfisch said:
I don't know what's more ridiculous, you talking about "exploiting free labor" or the others talking about "extortion". I just know that both of you can't get any lower.
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Thanks for that quote. Reminds me why he is on my ignore list and why I wasn't able to read that in the first place...
 
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Mohrgan

Mohrgan
CMDR Kantos Kan said:
Do you know the definition of extortion? I did search it to make sure I had it right. Maybe you should do the same before throwing it left and right...
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There is really no other word to describe it, except maybe Strong-arm. You can't make the fact that they 'used' us disappear because I took a smidge of poetic license with the word extortion. You can't argue for their tactics, so you work against my terminology. Weak.
 

Pyrobee

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Sardu said:
And this is a huge issue with the game right now.
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Other issue is people not understanding how to interact with the game without the external instawin sites. At least this has distracted cmdrs from whining about their favorite exploit being nerfed/quince is an exploit again malarkey :x
 
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