THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)

Guys, you're all burying the lead here. Drew Carnegie is in the book! Woo! Congrats Drew~


BTW when will you credit the players who portrayed the NPCs, other Drew?



Mother of God, it's beautiful.

Quick get DrewCs autograph before the fame goes to his head, just before he realises that fame has put him on a black ops hitlist.

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How would the organizers of the Dynasty expedition contact the Dark Wheel?

Well the keep asking me to ship things for them when in a certain system
 
Am I mistaken in thinking that the pilots Federation are the people responsible/have the power to permit lock our ships? Then they must know WHY the system is permit locked.

I'm naming the Pilots fed as the fourth player in the power game, possibly the main one.
 
OK, this might sound a bit bizarre and I'm still catching up on everything that's been said over the weekend on this thread but here's my understanding based upon the logs in Teorge.
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The big unknown is the nature of the threat. Yes, it's Thargoids - but where are they based and what are they doing now? If they have infiltrated the bubble prior to engaging in open warfare, then the strategy of keeping the Rift mystery secret is sound because then the enemy would not know that you have the backup plan. If they have not infiltrated the bubble, then where are they and why have we not seen them for so long? Are the Unknown Ships really them? In either case, it becomes important to find them without giving ourselves away or inciting hostilities. We don't know if they are going to be hostile or if they can be negotiated with. (I do worry that FD have already set us on a certain course for war just for the drama of having a conflict with an alien race...).
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One thing that might be essential in dealing with the Thargoids, whether they are hostile or not, is to understand their origins. Could they be an offshoot of Guardian Exiles, genetically engineered by them, or did Guardian AI latch onto an (allegedly) Ammonia-based race and control them (in much the same way as they co-existed with living Guardian hosts but with the insectoid hive-mind being more compatible for them to operate within?). Another possibility that involves the Guardians might be that they encountered the Thargoids themselves (their logs do mention an 'enemy' near the time of their demise) and/or developed technology that might assist us against them. Perhaps there are still Exiles or their descendants surviving and have knowledge that can help us, even if they do not want to become involved in a conflict directly.
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I have one lead in these objectives: a ship that was a part of the Dynasty Expedition to the Conflux was hyperdicted. That suggests Thargoid activity within the region at that time. Guardian Ruins have also been found in the Conflux.
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Don't forget there are 2 factions/subscpecies/clans of "Thargoids" & I believe this is still canon -the implacably hostile to humans Klaxians and potentially more friendly Oresrians. They are almost indistinguishable, but hate each other. Therefore the flowerships may be from both factions; Klaxians may be destroying some human ships while the Oresrians may be searching for the Klaxians, which is why the reported hyperdictions have not resulted in the deaths of those hyperdicted humans. IFF we can befriend the Oresrians then we may be able to obtain technology upgrades that will allow us to fight the Klaxians.

This is another reason why I urge people not to shoot at flowerships!!
 
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You'll have the PPS (Penguin Protection Sociey) on your six!

Oh, the coms where set to local and not direct?

Nothing to see here. Look there a greek mythology mystery.

Chronos (part of him) was the source of the foam on the oceans that resulted in the creation of the olympian gods. The first letter of Drew Carnegie's name is C - like Chronos.
The Dynasty - first letter D, see it's all connected - expedition wanted to seed new worlds, creating a new humanity/gods.
*desperately flipping through an ancient book about greek mythology*

It is possible, possibly even likely, that the Dark Wheel also infiltrated INRA

This is getting too complicated and to convoluted.
Dark Wheel as the solution to everything? Instead of a secret galactic government we get Dark Wheel? A conspiracy infiltrating a conspiracy that is part of a conspiracy. I think it's simpler, maybe even more obvious and we are just looking in the wrong direction.
 
Am I mistaken in thinking that the pilots Federation are the people responsible/have the power to permit lock our ships? Then they must know WHY the system is permit locked.

I'm naming the Pilots fed as the fourth player in the power game, possibly the main one.

There are at least three organisations that has unrestricted access to our ship systems. The Pilots Federation, Bank of Zanoce and Universal Cartography. There might be other.

I think Universal Cartography are responsible for the permit system.
 
Just a thought about the logs... when they speak of manufacturing a fake war, does she mean the current "sabre-rattling", or the war with the Thargoids... or both ;)

I think it's about the current cold war between the superpowers.
All doing their part and using the cold war as an excuse to channel credits and resources to the right (for THEM) projects. The tribalism keeps the people entertained and distracted.
And it works, just look at this forum. Nobody really talks about the revelation that the superpowers are just marionettes for some secret organization. They all keep bragging about how good and right their superpower and faction is.

That would even explain the imbalances between the superpowers.
Empire - trade (Clipper, Cutter)
Federation - combat (FAS, Corvette)
Alliance - science/bio-warfare (see that nebula outpost fungus pumpkin situation)

And on top of it it would explain why there aren't CMDR faction assets in the galaxy. THEY don't allow the CMDRs the power to do that as it would remove valuable assets from THEM - CMDRs working for THEM without knowing.
 
There are at least three organisations that has unrestricted access to our ship systems. The Pilots Federation, Bank of Zanoce and Universal Cartography. There might be other.

I think Universal Cartography are responsible for the permit system.

I though Universal Cartographics (and Galnet) were run by the Pilots Federation.
 
Guys, you're all burying the lead here. Drew Carnegie is in the book! Woo! Congrats Drew~


BTW when will you credit the players who portrayed the NPCs, other Drew?



Mother of God, it's beautiful.

We spotted it, but don't want to feed the penguin's superiority complex :D
 
Don't forget there are 2 factions/subscpecies/clans of "Thargoids" & I believe this is still canon -the implacably hostile to humans Klaxians and potentially more friendly Oresrians. They are almost indistinguishable, but hate each other. Therefore the flowerships may be from both factions; Klaxians may be destroying some human ships while the Oresrians may be searching for the Klaxians, which is why the reported hyperdictions have not resulted in the deaths of those hyperdicted humans. IFF we can befriend the Oresrians then we may be able to obtain technology upgrades that will allow us to fight the Klaxians.

This is another reason why I urge people not to shoot at flowerships!!

I've been saying that for a very long time (in fact, i think i said that last year, just before the ruins have been found and the guardians where discovered).

The biggest reason for why i don't think the Thargoids (if they are sitting...eh...standing...uh...floating? Whatever - in those Flowerships) are a real threat. I also still believe, there is "more" to all of that. There is a reason beyond the obvious, that so many Systems are permit locked. Has anyone been able to confirm the storylines about the Thargoids from the Wars? Is the Human-Thargoid cooperation still Canon? INARA also had a different agenda back then if i recall.

On a side note: I've said it before, but kudos to Drew for spinning a story/character that could be connected. I'm still salty about the whole ordeal though and still think her death was rather pointless. Especially because she was so out of character...
 
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I though Universal Cartographics (and Galnet) were run by the Pilots Federation.

UC don't have unrestricted access to my ship. I have to agree to sell them data before they get it and have to buy theirs before I can download it.

But the bankers, well history tells us it's normally their fault and they always get away with it.

As to the pilots federation. Can't see it. They are responsible for bank rolling all us nutters into space and keep insuring is as we dig into this.

The only question I have about them is why they haven't ensured their power will continue in the colonia bubble with a PF system there for a presence
 
This is getting too complicated and to convoluted.
Dark Wheel as the solution to everything? Instead of a secret galactic government we get Dark Wheel? A conspiracy infiltrating a conspiracy that is part of a conspiracy. I think it's simpler, maybe even more obvious and we are just looking in the wrong direction.

The most obvious are the prime motivators for a huge swathe of humanity (almost 100% in the top echelons) Greed, Power, and nooky. There are a lot of powermongers doing very well out of the current political/social set-up. Any (and I do mean any) serious threat to that power/wealth is more than an incentive to commit crimes that would make Attila the Hun blink. A separate and independent bubble of humanity? one with no ties to the leaders of that era? The powermongers would not even put their coffee down to give the order to wipe a ship out. They certainly have no problem bombing farmers, so why worry about a bunch if dissidents on a ship no-one expected to hear from again, or if it is....it gets lost amid the news of the "missing". How many players think that the Genships turning up all over are linking (mentally) the Dynasty expedition and the "Missing" Genships?

I smell a smokescreen.
 
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Would the Dark Wheel help someone with a project like the Dynasty expedition? I'm not convinced that an ultra secretive organization would get involved in something like that - unless it's in their interest.
How would the organizers of the Dynasty expedition contact the Dark Wheel?
To me it looks again like in that scenario the Dark Wheel would be those who establish contact.

Rebecca would have betrayed the Dynasty expedition and the Dark Wheel by revealing the "truth". And if it was in the interest of the Dark Wheel, then why didn't they protect her?

I'm not trying to convince you that you are wrong. I'm just trying to see how your ideas fit with what little I know. Mentally turning around pieces of information and looking in what plot hole they might fit.

I need to re-read some old lore.

The Dark Wheel may well be the 'good guys' in this story. They do however know a lot and doesn't talk much.

The ending of the Dark Wheel(the book), talks about a corps of Elites that controls Raxxla. These guys may well be a different group than the Dark Wheel(CEIP?).
 
I was sort of hoping I could join you, if only as the guy who cleaned the cigar stubs out of the urinals and cleaned up all the spilt coffee in the canteen. (you could at least put your cups in the sink y'know).

You've already joined us! Join in, you're more than welcome to contribute. And it wasn't me that left those cups.
 
Oh, the coms where set to local and not direct?

Nothing to see here. Look there a greek mythology mystery.

Chronos (part of him) was the source of the foam on the oceans that resulted in the creation of the olympian gods. The first letter of Drew Carnegie's name is C - like Chronos.
The Dynasty - first letter D, see it's all connected - expedition wanted to seed new worlds, creating a new humanity/gods.
*desperately flipping through an ancient book about greek mythology*



This is getting too complicated and to convoluted.
Dark Wheel as the solution to everything? Instead of a secret galactic government we get Dark Wheel? A conspiracy infiltrating a conspiracy that is part of a conspiracy. I think it's simpler, maybe even more obvious and we are just looking in the wrong direction.

Yes, repped. I see where you're coming from with the D & C argument. You may well be right, order me a penguin crocodile burger and make it snappy...

I think the Dark Wheel are involved in a lot of the plots we vaguely hear about. I think the medallion that Salome left is a clue to that. Why they are is a question to be resolved. I am sure they would have infiltrated INRA. I don't think http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/INRA is canon in E D, but it possibly still applies, INRA/the conspirators are Elite pilots (as per Dark Wheel, and their offshoot the CIEP) and think the last line is still applicable "INRA continues to watch events in human space, operating in the dark, always beyond the knowledge of both civilians and standard military"

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Just a thought about the logs... when they speak of manufacturing a fake war, does she mean the current "sabre-rattling", or the war with the Thargoids... or both ;)

Perhaps the Thargoids were never a threat in the slightest. Perhaps they don't even exist and have only been fabricated using reverse engineered Guardian technology...

Rubbish aluminium-foil... I think I need proper tin... to the Spock-mobile!... erm, I mean SRV. :D

Definitely the current state of Superpower tension, but it is also possible that the Thargoid war didn't happen. I find the retconned lore is confusing, but that would explain the lack of proof/historical accounts from that war in E D; perhaps INRA tried to create rumours about that war to get people thinking about and prepare for the threat that they know is coming. Now they have instigated superpower tensions as a training exercise for the imminent "Winter offensive"

Edit: interpretaion of the Dynasty facts (as we know them) is to an extent dependent on where the threat is coming from. Old lore had Thargoids coming across the Formidine Rift- hence its name (fear) and probably based in Bovomit. In that case the FRift bases (& CoR monitoring posts set up at Salomé's order) were monitoring that region for intel, and the terraforming efforts might be bait to either lure the threat into traps or give time for the warning to be passed to the majority of humanity. There is also the possibility that the threat lies in the Vela Dark Region, in which case the FRift conspiracy is exactly what we thought-setting up 3 areas for the superpowers to relocate to. There is also the possibility that a threat lies beyond Colonia...

Too many possibiliities, we need hard intel. But since the regions are locked we can't get it (once the regions are unlocked I presume the threat will start invading so too late for intel. What we need is a small ship with long range fsd able to penetrate the regions and get us the intel. Possibly piloted by a genial pilot of Italian descent able to charm any female aliens over a glass of chianti, a plate of pasta and a gentle aria or two.
 
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I'm not necessarily saying it's the Dark Wheel that organized the Dynasty expedition. I'm not even sure they killed Jason Ryder. What I mean is that they have the knowledge.
They knew what was going on, on Raxxla. They knew the Thargoids. They knew the capability of the 'Elyssia line' of Teorge clones.

If someone wanted organize a huge secret project like the Dynasty expedition, they would surely consult the Dark Wheel. I think Rebecca got involved through the Dark Wheel, not INRA.

Assuming the CoR web page lore is canon, The Dark Wheel put Salomé at the head of the cult to 'help' them in their subversive actions. I also suspect the two mysterious men seen speaking to Salomé after the trial of being Dark Wheel agents, as may be Luko (always there where and when needed ..).
This 'affiliation of organisations sharing common interests ... more than a simple Shinrata faction' looks to me as a 'counter-power' .
IMHO.
 
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