Elite Dangerous - Drew Wagar's Conspiracy - Part 2
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I already entertained the thought that Salome in the pod might indeed be just a clone, however I would be thrilled to live in Metal Gear'esk galaxy, in which 2 "Big Bossess" co-exist at the same time, one - the real deal, second - a decoy which defied the odds and lived to become it's own person and it's own legend.
By the way, check out this:
http://i.imgur.com/fZoENi2.png
Rinzler came to salt some more on my video, and did a very unusual thing.
Why would a person, from a group that has been accused of being fed information by Drew, would be the only person I've seen outside the "Salome is a clone conspiracy, the thread" write's "Salome" with quotes?...
Now I wonder if he forgot to add "spoiler alert"
It's probably nothing tho
Wait to you hear my ideas about writing this when I get home and send you what we talked about. Clone.... Wink.... Not exactly no! Actually... Rather far from that concept
ok so I'm at 7:28 and the OP is going on about this tactic this group had and how Salome's ship was gimped. 3 points to address here.
1) The "plan" required 2 Imp eagles and a clipper, all to have gotten in the same instance in a game known for it's exceptionally bad instancing, lag, connection errors and crashing on a day when 3000+ people aren't trying to all get in the same instance.
2) The "gimped ship" - does everyone know Salome made it almost all the way there in that gimped ship? She had 6 jumps left apparently. Now let's take that same ship and fully spec it out and guess what, you''re at a 99.9999999999% win rate each and every time you play it.
3) To what end would there be a point to "fixing" the event? It won't generate extra sales. No motive, no point, no conspiracy. I guess I'll see what the OP has to say next lol
1) The "plan" required 2 Imp eagles and a clipper, all to have gotten in the same instance in a game known for it's exceptionally bad instancing, lag, connection errors and crashing on a day when 3000+ people aren't trying to all get in the same instance.
2) The "gimped ship" - does everyone know Salome made it almost all the way there in that gimped ship? She had 6 jumps left apparently. Now let's take that same ship and fully spec it out and guess what, you''re at a 99.9999999999% win rate each and every time you play it.
3) To what end would there be a point to "fixing" the event? It won't generate extra sales. No motive, no point, no conspiracy. I guess I'll see what the OP has to say next lol
I suggest you google "Salome Event Elite Dangerous"
Look over all the sensationalist headlines, think about it, and then tell me that you think "zomg character lives" would be attracting as much readers to those articles as "zomg character dies"
The rule of thumb if you wish to uncover main intents of people, at least in real life, - follow the money trail.
Not saying it's related to Drew, just saying that those article makers are pretty happy right now with the view count.
Btw "6 jumps" is like what, 180-200 LY?
The entire journey was 700 LY.
So the ship made it 66.6% of the way.
Wait.....
*GASP* *QUES APOCALYPTICA MUSIC*
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There is video from Salome's wingmate, clearly shows instancing issues were at play. I posted it in the last thread as well but was conveniently ignored.[video=youtube_share;DL0vpYUtE48]https://youtu.be/DL0vpYUtE48[/video]
If Drew can introduce disconnections and delayed instancing, maybe he is the wizzard, not Harry.
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Debilitating instancing hamstrung both sides. She would have most likely died much sooner with instancing functioning at a basic level.There is video from Salome's wingmate, clearly shows instancing issues were at play. I posted it in the last thread as well but was conveniently ignored.https://youtu.be/DL0vpYUtE48If Drew can introduce disconnections and delayed instancing, maybe he is the wizzard, not Harry.
Thanks for agreeing with the point that there was no reason to gimp her ship then, and that the instancing problems is the only reason she got as far as she did.
Screened for the evidence library
Yeah, this and the fact that the event itself had to nerfed and the dice loaded towards a boom (e.g friendslist kept intact) just proves to me it was totally the wrong way to reach a climax.
Quite the opposite.... Instancing issues not occurring..... There would have been way too many protectors for HP to even get close....
The argument you make actually can go both ways.... Not just predominantly in your supposed theory
I've got to 10 mins where you say he "blames" the community - I don't see blame, all I see is him stating that he left it to the community and what happened is what happened. So already there your misrepresenting him.
2nd, I made 3 points and in the other thread, you've ignored those as well. Your whole premise was massively flawed to begin with. We could have told you that prior to you making a sensationalist video. On top of that, I'm not interested in the first 3 minutes where you harp on about your channel numbers then "claim" you're not doing it for views.
You had no argument, it's been destroyed in that the "leaked" info was not leaked at all. You then used hearsay as evidence LOL and on top of that you basically tried to smear Drew himself.
I would ask you to check the comments in that thread that basically call Drew out. Let's looks at this comment first though from you....
So yes, you're basically calling him a liar on "evidence" (btw let me educate you on evidence. It is that which is, "evident" and not "circumstantial" which is what you have but that didn't stop you making your video first to smear him - I think that's poor showing I'm sorry to say and the evidence for that is in comments such as these....
Yes, we lacked the intell... whatever....
Originally Posted by defekt View Post (Source)
Hanlon's razor.
I considered it
Your argument right there that was blown out the water yesterday I believe or maybe before and you never took notice of Occam's Razor either.
Then these comments
Lastly, who on earth buys a book because they know the results of the book before hand? Nobody markets a book at all by giving away the major plot. If you're thinking that it's a double conspiracy, that it was set up to make her fail but that was a set up to trick everyone into talking about it well go ahead and give us the hundreds of people reading those threads - you know there's literally around 50 peeple participating in this one right? So wooooooooooooooo look at the publicity Drew!!!
Drew???
DREW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE PUBLICITY DEW LOOK AT ITTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL ok i'm being stupid now
So what you did was smear Drew with your outlandish fantasy, invite a load of comments about not buying his book and worse and now you have turned around and said, "Oh I "might" have been wrong" - not sure I heard an apology - I mean it's only some guys livelihood but who cares about that
It must be coming up soon though I haven't finished the video.
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Thanks for agreeing with the point that there was no reason to gimp her ship then, and that the instancing problems is the only reason she got as far as she did.
Screened for the evidence library
She got within 6 jumps - how many jumps did she make?
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But you have to take into account they don't do evidence. They jump at the first thing that fits their narrative and then post it as "FACTS"
As opposed to them breezing through the systems with no friend list. Do you have any idea how boring that would have been....
"Well in this corridor of space there's 13567 star systems so hopefully we'll be lucky....."
The route was from a fixed point to a fixed point so imagine all the stars between the route they took - it's literally thousands.
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Awwww crap, someone triggered Jex.
LOL well am I right or not? Do you think you should go around making video's smearing people and basically calling them a hack on no evidence? Even more so do you think you should suffer no backlash for doing so or not be called out for your shennanigans?
If we're looking for the truth and the actual facts then it's posts like mine that look to unravel the from reality and see what we have left. I wasn't the only one to make great points (assuming I made great points lol) in the last thread but guys come on!
Let's pin that tail on a donkey of an argument when we see one. Let's also remember the posters who jumped right in with MD shouting "you're right!! Hate Drew!!"
If anything I'm saying is incorrect of course tell me. I'm certainly open for the facts and I'll admit I don't know the entire story and I'll hold my hands up if I'm wrong but I think bad mouthing someone like this is awful. Imagine if MD had 500,000 subscribers - do you see where making sure you're right BEFORE you say something is a really good thing to do?
You don't even have a breeze through event in the first place.. A suicide dash just doesn't work on so many levels it just screams plot contrivance and you have to use the game mechanics that work to hold an event that actually works and gives a fair outcome. Just look at the amount of fudging and gimping that needed to be done out of character to event get to the first jump. That in itself should have been a huge red flag at the planning stage.
For example, "Salome and co have been captured and are due for execution in a week" take Weapons to point A to help the rescue attempt, take weapons to point B to ensure their execution
Open mode only means systems can be blockaded, supply lines stopped as well as giving players who could not make the event a chance to actually contribute rather than play wish upon an instance. Not only that but PvP players finally get to influence something that cannot be circumvented by private groups or solo.
And because the event is timed, the sense of urgency builds as each side becomes more desperate to either prevent or ensure executions..
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I've got to 10 mins where you say he "blames" the community - I don't see blame, all I see is him stating that he left it to the community and what happened is what happened. So already there your misrepresenting him.
2nd, I made 3 points and in the other thread, you've ignored those as well. Your whole premise was massively flawed to begin with. We could have told you that prior to you making a sensationalist video. On top of that, I'm not interested in the first 3 minutes where you harp on about your channel numbers then "claim" you're not doing it for views.
You had no argument, it's been destroyed in that the "leaked" info was not leaked at all. You then used hearsay as evidence LOL and on top of that you basically tried to smear Drew himself.
I would ask you to check the comments in that thread that basically call Drew out. Let's looks at this comment first though from you....
So yes, you're basically calling him a liar on "evidence" (btw let me educate you on evidence. It is that which is, "evident" and not "circumstantial" which is what you have but that didn't stop you making your video first to smear him - I think that's poor showing I'm sorry to say and the evidence for that is in comments such as these....
Yes, we lacked the intell... whatever....
Your argument right there that was blown out the water yesterday I believe or maybe before and you never took notice of Occam's Razor either.
Then these comments
Lastly, who on earth buys a book because they know the results of the book before hand? Nobody markets a book at all by giving away the major plot. If you're thinking that it's a double conspiracy, that it was set up to make her fail but that was a set up to trick everyone into talking about it well go ahead and give us the hundreds of people reading those threads - you know there's literally around 50 peeple participating in this one right? So wooooooooooooooo look at the publicity Drew!!!
Drew???
DREW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE PUBLICITY DEW LOOK AT ITTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL ok i'm being stupid now
So what you did was smear Drew with your outlandish fantasy, invite a load of comments about not buying his book and worse and now you have turned around and said, "Oh I "might" have been wrong" - not sure I heard an apology - I mean it's only some guys livelihood but who cares about that
It must be coming up soon though I haven't finished the video.
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She got within 6 jumps - how many jumps did she make?
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But you have to take into account they don't do evidence. They jump at the first thing that fits their narrative and then post it as "FACTS"
:/ Your comment is a bit all-over but let me streamline it.
1st video - I did a news coverage, including discrepancies - what's wrong with that? I had no reason to hide that information from viewers.
I then told people what I think, personal opinions are allowed or? I didn't call him a liar because it was too early to do so and not enough evidence to support it.
Your problem with that video is basically "how dare i include those things in my video"
The answer is simple, I report all news, not just some news.
Video 2: more time past, more evidence came and went, more opinions went back and forth on the forums, and after talking to people , my mind and point of view changed to a degree.
Last time I checked, the ability to change your mind based on evidence, especially when the evidence doesn't fit your bias - is a virtue.
Furthermore, why should i apologize for my first video?
I didnt provide anything false, everything was presented as discrepancies, not facts.
Should I have apologized for feeling like he fooled the community? No, unless you are the thought police, I have no need to answer to you, it was my opinion and I said like 3 times that its being put forward as a subjective one.
Back to second video, with more evidence, i formed a different opinion.
And was then ready to call Drew a liar. Not necessarily as an insult, more as of a heads up.
He advertised an event in which he promised a fair event, and later admitted that he loaded the dice.
The event was falsely advertised, no matter how big or small or unintentional, a lie is a lie.
It would be exactly that if it was a court of law, and I dont see any reason to water it down just because it is Drew.
I am not immune to your criticism, why should he be immune to mine?
You are being a hypocrite.
And also you are crafting a shuffled timeline of events in your comment.
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No system can be blockaded - you simply switch to solo, jump into the system and switch back again but yes, as I've said before ED is absolutely awful for this kind of event and the community needs to step up and demand more and better networking. This is not an advertisement for the game, it's more of a show of had bad it is!
"So that event sounded exciting what happened"
"Well, the networking broke so bad it pretty much ruined the story and allowed someone free reign to attack Salome with no escorts"
That's what happened. All those hundreds of people that worked to keep her alive and it was all for nothing. They besiaclly wasted their time because the netcode in this game is abysmal.
Didn't FD hear about Bandwidth Throttling?
Did you miss the part where I said it was open only.
And I think we're in agreement, if the game engine isn't up to it, then you do something it CAN do, or you wait until it can. What you never ever do, in any sort of large scale event is make the whole thing so vulnerable to the very weaknesses everyone knows about. If you cant find a way to make it work, then don't do it. I know a few high profile community members begged drew not to do it in the way he did, anecdotally Fdev advised against it, yet it went ahead anyway and well apart from a few white knights it seems no one is happy about it.
I don't really care about Salome et al , just that the effects of the events has messed with at least 2 player groups, promoted the exploits of the anti-community, while diminishing the efforts of those who wanted to help and further more put people off either organising or attending open events ever again
I must admit it would tickle me if events were manipulated so as to troll the trollers, i.e. Salome lives! Harry's Avada Kedavra fizzled! *dry raspberry sound*
It would be a hilarious piece of karma
However the explanations of conspiracies are all too far fetched. Any kind of precise staging behind closed doors would be tons more effort than actually doing the event and seeing which of the two binary options occurs. Sure, Drew could have engineered his ship, his strategy could have been better, the defence could have been better organised - Voldemort's nemesis should have been kill on site for example, whether openly or planned as part of a surprise gank, etc, etc. But all that's just opinion. Also the notion that FD's official writer can be overruled by the public is not realistic at all.
And I feel attacking Drew Wagar personally by calling him a liar without any kind of tangible evidence to back that claim up is not nice nor does it strengthen your argument.
Drew has spoken and as far as this event is concerned he has final say. Whether we like it or not Drew says Salome is dead. Anything else; we'll have to wait for the book to come out or for Drew Wagar to say something different on the matter.
It would be a hilarious piece of karma
However the explanations of conspiracies are all too far fetched. Any kind of precise staging behind closed doors would be tons more effort than actually doing the event and seeing which of the two binary options occurs. Sure, Drew could have engineered his ship, his strategy could have been better, the defence could have been better organised - Voldemort's nemesis should have been kill on site for example, whether openly or planned as part of a surprise gank, etc, etc. But all that's just opinion. Also the notion that FD's official writer can be overruled by the public is not realistic at all.
And I feel attacking Drew Wagar personally by calling him a liar without any kind of tangible evidence to back that claim up is not nice nor does it strengthen your argument.
Drew has spoken and as far as this event is concerned he has final say. Whether we like it or not Drew says Salome is dead. Anything else; we'll have to wait for the book to come out or for Drew Wagar to say something different on the matter.
No you didn't. You clearly made a narrative on the "facts" you cherry picked. Why didn't you include the fact about the leak NOT being a leak then? How is it you missed that in your journalistic endeavours to be impartial. Why would you hide the "discrepancies" from your viewers? I dunno, but you hid the facts that blew your conspiracy wide open.
remember here, you're the one making the claim and making the video. Are you going for an evidence based, factual approach or are you going down the drama, don't care about the truth route?
It doesn't matter if my timeline is a little hazy, I already pointed out your 2 big facts which was hearsay and the "leak"
The fact that you see no wrong doing in posting a video of discrepancies is telling. When you say "discrepancies", they're only discrepancies in your mind. This is because you failed to do the necessary research to get your facts right in the beginning.
Now you're trying to tell us you weren't trying to start a conspiracy theory? I think maybe the forum users here should weigh in and give their thoughts about it.
I'm off so will pick this up tomorrow
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I must admit it would tickle me if events were manipulated so as to troll the trollers, i.e. Salome lives! Harry's Avada Kedavra fizzled! *dry raspberry sound*
It would be a hilarious piece of karma
However the explanations of conspiracies are all too far fetched. Any kind of precise staging behind closed doors would be tons more effort than actually doing the event and seeing which of the two binary options occurs. Sure, Drew could have engineered his ship, his strategy could have been better, the defence could have been better organised - Voldemort's nemesis should have been kill on site for example, whether openly or planned as part of a surprise gank, etc, etc. But all that's just opinion. Also the notion that FD's official writer can be overruled by the public is not realistic at all.
And I feel attacking Drew Wagar personally by calling him a liar without any kind of tangible evidence to back that claim up is not nice nor does it strengthen your argument.
Drew has spoken and as far as this event is concerned he has final say. Whether we like it or not Drew says Salome is dead. Anything else; we'll have to wait for the book to come out or for Drew Wagar to say something different on the matter.
There is evidence that he lied about event being fair, as he later admitted he weighted the dice. Its all in this video
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No you didn't. You clearly made a narrative on the "facts" you cherry picked. Why didn't you include the fact about the leak NOT being a leak then? How is it you missed that in your journalistic endeavours to be impartial. Why would you hide the "discrepancies" from your viewers? I dunno, but you hid the facts that blew your conspiracy wide open.
remember here, you're the one making the claim and making the video. Are you going for an evidence based, factual approach or are you going down the drama, don't care about the truth route?
It doesn't matter if my timeline is a little hazy, I already pointed out your 2 big facts which was hearsay and the "leak"
The fact that you see no wrong doing in posting a video of discrepancies is telling. When you say "discrepancies", they're only discrepancies in your mind. This is because you failed to do the necessary research to get your facts right in the beginning.
Now you're trying to tell us you weren't trying to start a conspiracy theory? I think maybe the forum users here should weigh in and give their thoughts about it.
I'm off so will pick this up tomorrow
You forgot to mention that there was in fact reddit and forum messages removed to cover the leak, screenshots are under the video in the first post, a leak has definitely happened, people saw it during my stream, but the posts were already deleted after stream ended so i couldnt screencap. Drew even changed his statement saying that "well that was just some of the reveal, whats really to be revealed died with salome" even tho he said that this would not be the case if either 1 escort made it to safety.
The only thing resembling a conspiracy here, is you trying to devalue my video, for who knows what reason. i'm talking to you like an equal person, I am enduring your criticism while you mock my work.
P.S. Drew didn't bother to give me the same treatment that I'm giving , the least you could do is stop spitting in my face
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You mean the bit where he limited Salome's jump technique to make the event fun?
As you've had explained to you before, it wasn't a leak - a Cmdr found the Teorge listening posts and reported them.
Upon finding out that the listening posts were part of the reveal, that same Cmdr opted to delete the post. Nothing to do with Drew or FDev, no matter how much you want that to be the case.
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