Gtx 1080 ti Elite Dangerous

[TorTorden_VR]

Ok some more testing.

I'm for now settling on letting ASW do what it does and experimenting with cranking up settings to improve image quality.

Here's the settings I'm happy with today.

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Hmm, thought I had HMD at 1.25, anyhoo I'm keeping SMAA for now

The session here was launching the vulture, heading into the ice resource site and fight various high level npc's, trying to stir up as much NPC AI activity as I can.

The gpu max load for this session was a funny 46%, yeah something is throttling somewhere.
So here's a shot of the cpu utilization:

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Highest by a fair margin today was thread 6 at 79%, so in one theory that should leave 20% headroom.
Ï'm no longer subscribing to that theory, but I think we should be start to realise that it's not really all about the utilization, but more about responsiveness.
About rendering times not FPS.

Well, I'm definetely not throttling on the gpu anymore

 

[Alec Turner]

Ok some more testing.

I'm for now settling on letting ASW do what it does and experimenting with cranking up settings to improve image quality.

Here's the settings I'm happy with today.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/zpag3rF.png
Hmm, thought I had HMD at 1.25, anyhoo I'm keeping SMAA for now

Late to this thread (and only a GTX 1080 user here) but even with my 1080 I'm setting HMD quality to 1.25 and easily getting 90fps practically everywhere, even without ASW, so I'd be surprised if the Ti with ASW can't go a lot higher.

For my settings I've got Bloom, Blur, DoF and Ambient Occlusion all turned off. I'd love to know exactly what Bloom, Blur and Ambient Occlusion are doing for you in VR (with it's inherently low-res) because my understanding is that these are fairly costly operations for little (if any) noticeable benefit.

I'm also not bothering with anti-aliasing (relying instead on an increased HMD quality to deal with my jaggies). Again, from my understanding (and a fair amount of testing), the in-game anti-aliasing is fairly innefective and a big performance hit.

Shadows is an interesting one. It's another very costly operation (visibly knocking great chunks off your fps as you crank it up). Some people live without it. Personally I love shadows (especially when landing at planetary bases) and have found that with anything lower than "High" they look terrible. So I've taken the hit and gone for High.

Aside from this I've got ALL other settings cranked up to the absolute max.

And as I say, I'm easily getting 90fps practically everywhere with ASW turned off on a GTX 1080.

Apologies if I'm speaking out of turn and going over old ground here, I'm just assuming than anything I can do you Ti guys should be able to do even better.

 

[kiario]

Late to this thread (and only a GTX 1080 user here) but even with my 1080 I'm setting HMD quality to 1.25 and easily getting 90fps practically everywhere, even without ASW, so I'd be surprised if the Ti with ASW can't go a lot higher.

For my settings I've got Bloom, Blur, DoF and Ambient Occlusion all turned off. I'd love to know exactly what Bloom, Blur and Ambient Occlusion are doing for you in VR (with it's inherently low-res) because my understanding is that these are fairly costly operations for little (if any) noticeable benefit.

I'm also not bothering with anti-aliasing (relying instead on an increased HMD quality to deal with my jaggies). Again, from my understanding (and a fair amount of testing), the in-game anti-aliasing is fairly innefective and a big performance hit.

Shadows is an interesting one. It's another very costly operation (visibly knocking great chunks off your fps as you crank it up). Some people live without it. Personally I love shadows (especially when landing at planetary bases) and have found that with anything lower than "High" they look terrible. So I've taken the hit and gone for High.

Aside from this I've got ALL other settings cranked up to the absolute max.

And as I say, I'm easily getting 90fps practically everywhere with ASW turned off on a GTX 1080.

Apologies if I'm speaking out of turn and going over old ground here, I'm just assuming than anything I can do you Ti guys should be able to do even better.

AO adds a small amount of darker areas at corner of Buildings and rocks on planets. Nothing worse the extreme fps drop.
Shadows at ultra gives much more details further away, like you can see your ships siluette.

 

[MikeHawk]

so you have a 4th gen Intel thats from 2011 ... & a brand new 1080Ti ... see the problem?

 

[kration]

I'm looking to upgrade my GPU, and it will either be AMD Vega if/when it arrives, or a 1080ti (depending on Vega performance/cost/timescales).

However, I'm considering whether I need to spend some cash on a whole new system. I know this is a specific GPU thread, but the system would be built around the GPU for ED in VR.

This is my current set-up:
CPU: i5 4690
GPU: MSI R9 290
MBoard: AsusTek B85M-G
RAM: 16GB DDR3

If I did get a 1080ti, would my CPU throttle it?

If so, what should I be looking at to replace the CPU and other components? Bearing in mind the release of Ryzen and the performance of i7's etc.

 

[TorTorden_VR]

AO adds a small amount of darker areas at corner of Buildings and rocks on planets. Nothing worse the extreme fps drop.
Shadows at ultra gives much more details further away, like you can see your ships siluette.

AO, is supposed to simulate more natural lighting, but this is insanely intense for computations.
And can't really be done realtime to a degree that looks good enough to warrant the performance expense.

I'm looking to upgrade my GPU, and it will either be AMD Vega if/when it arrives, or a 1080ti (depending on Vega performance/cost/timescales).

However, I'm considering whether I need to spend some cash on a whole new system. I know this is a specific GPU thread, but the system would be built around the GPU for ED in VR.

This is my current set-up:
CPU: i5 4690
GPU: MSI R9 290
MBoard: AsusTek B85M-G
RAM: 16GB DDR3

If I did get a 1080ti, would my CPU throttle it?

If so, what should I be looking at to replace the CPU and other components? Bearing in mind the release of Ryzen and the performance of i7's etc.

I was on the very same CPU just a few about a month or so ago, and I noticed it was holding back my 980ti,
noticeably more than this i7 4790k that is now bottling the 1080ti.

And the 1080ti, is about honestly around 100% more capable than my old 980 ti.
So you want a serious rig to use it.


And from all the reading I could get my hands on, the difference between an i7 cpu I could use without swapping mobo, RAM. and I found a cheap one because it lacked a stock cooler it was a snap decicsion.
It was a potential $200 upgrade not a $1500 one, and that was without the new gpu..

Right now, I'm going to try waiting a bit.
See when Intel launches Coffe lake, the next 14nm iteration cpu, it should maintain speeds and possibly\probably add two more cores from what I'm reading.
So the i5 equivalent would be a 6 core, non hyperthreaded cpu, and following this, suspecting a 12 thread i7.
In the mainstream segment.

@Kration, best recommendation I can make, is to go for broke, get at least a 7th gen i7.
I'm still unsure about Ryzen, and it's gaming performance really.

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so you have a 4th gen Intel thats from 2011 ... & a brand new 1080Ti ... see the problem?

Well, technically it's a 2014 cpu, but on the same tock as the 2011.

 

[kration]

@Kration, best recommendation I can make, is to go for broke, get at least a 7th gen i7.
I'm still unsure about Ryzen, and it's gaming performance really.

Cheers. Point me in the direction of a CPU though - just to get the concepts (and costs) crystallising in my head. I'm so far out of the loop that the 7th gen i7 stuff is a foreign language to me.

 

[TorTorden_VR]

Cheers. Point me in the direction of a CPU though - just to get the concepts (and costs) crystallising in my head. I'm so far out of the loop that the 7th gen i7 stuff is a foreign language to me.

Depends where in the world you are of course.

The current intel socket format is the 1151.

Processor would be i7-7700K and at least 16GB of DDR4 RAM.

The cpu is probably in the $300 range if you shop around, the MB $150-$200, RAM about $100-$130 for two sticks of 8GB.

That's just ball parking it.

But they are possibly launching a new line of CPU's as early as this summer.

 

[kiario]

Helo Cyclon,
I had a 1080 Gigabyte G1 OC at the same time that a MSI 1080Ti Gaming X. And could compare two at the same time in the same computer. The best quality that you could obtain in a CV1 with a graphic card is that:
1080 Debugtool with SSx2.5, SS ingame 0.65 with ASW on (in planets) 45fps with graphic quality optimal (over that only lost fps, the quality is exactly the same)
1080TI Debugtool with SSx2.75, SS ingame 0.85 with ASW on (in planets) 45fps with graphic quality optimal (over that only lost fps, the quality is exactly the same)

The quality is maximun and the same for CV1 with 1080 and 1080ti, you can not go over that.

For me optimal quality, you could read inside the stations in a sidewinder, when you turn your head on right hand, the book "Flight and trading manual"
View attachment 120063
Or in planet you can read the serial number in containers or the "keep Clear" under the planet station guns
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I can see no difference at all above HMD 2.0 and leaving SS at 1.0. Text on the book is the same. I think the threshold lies there

 

[CylonSurfer]

Helo Cyclon,
I had a 1080 Gigabyte G1 OC at the same time that a MSI 1080Ti Gaming X. And could compare two at the same time in the same computer. The best quality that you could obtain in a CV1 with a graphic card is that:
1080 Debugtool with SSx2.5, SS ingame 0.65 with ASW on (in planets) 45fps with graphic quality optimal (over that only lost fps, the quality is exactly the same)
1080TI Debugtool with SSx2.75, SS ingame 0.85 with ASW on (in planets) 45fps with graphic quality optimal (over that only lost fps, the quality is exactly the same)

The quality is maximun and the same for CV1 with 1080 and 1080ti, you can not go over that.

For me optimal quality, you could read inside the stations in a sidewinder, when you turn your head on right hand, the book "Flight and trading manual"
View attachment 120063
Or in planet you can read the serial number in containers or the "keep Clear" under the planet station guns
View attachment 120065View attachment 120065View attachment 120066

Yup I agree - However 45FPS is not the target I personally aim for on planets (or any area of the game). It's 90FPS as much as possible for me, in particular on planet surfaces. I think we can all agree (well maybe one or two exceptions) that to maintain a solid (non ASW) 90FPS on a 1080Ti, for the most part you are looking at SSx1.5 and HMD x 1.0 (or any variation of that) with high to ultra settings. Of course some may drop one (SS or HMD) in favour of increasing the other. Any combination of SS x 2.0 and HMD x1.0 (or vice versa) does not provide 90FPS with all other GFX setting set to high or Ultra.

I couldn't play on the settings you posted, 45FPS (i.e ASW on) is not what I'm looking for. I try and use settings which negate the use of ASW as much as possible.

 

[TorTorden_VR]

For my settings I've got Bloom, Blur, DoF and Ambient Occlusion all turned off. I'd love to know exactly what Bloom, Blur and Ambient Occlusion are doing for you in VR (with it's inherently low-res) because my understanding is that these are fairly costly operations for little (if any) noticeable benefit.

I started wondering that myself last night as well. And honestly I think the answer is "nothing good, what so ever".
Turned them off.
Don't really notice much difference, especially after turning all the other settings up, and bumping HMD Q to 1.5


I'm feeling torn.
I got blood on my teeth now and I want the rest of my GPU.

Should I wait for the interim update that Coffee lake would be, or do I jump on an Kaby setup?

 

[dape]

I cancelled my 1080Ti order for now. The difference between SS 1.3 (i set 0.65 SS and 2.0 HMD) and SS 1.5 is just to small to justify swapping cards.

 

[kration]

Depends where in the world you are of course.

The current intel socket format is the 1151.

Processor would be i7-7700K and at least 16GB of DDR4 RAM.

The cpu is probably in the $300 range if you shop around, the MB $150-$200, RAM about $100-$130 for two sticks of 8GB.

That's just ball parking it.

But they are possibly launching a new line of CPU's as early as this summer.

Thanks for the advice. The more I think about then it looks like I'm aiming for a completely new build. I may wait a couple of months for the new Intel CPU's to arrive and see what the consensus on Ryzen is.

 

[mfgedf]

Hello Cylon, I understood your position and I agree with you. After a lot of test in solo mode and online ingame, the best experience is without ASW. If you look for 90 fps all the time, the MSI 1080 TI Gaming X give you with debugtool SSx2.0, Dr.Kay SS ingame SSx0.65, HMDx1, Shadows low, with that you have the best quality that you can obten in CV1. With a 1080 you must go down to debugtool SSx1.5 for the same 90fps, the quality is little low but I can see the diference....The question is if is justificate 200 Euros for 1080ti in front of 1080 for minimal improvement?. Could be a personal decision.....

 

[BlackSpaceCowboy]

Yay, my evga 1080Ti FTW3 is finally here! I plan to install it this weekend. Hopefully it's a smooth install.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Yay, my evga 1080Ti FTW3 is finally here! I plan to install it this weekend. Hopefully it's a smooth install.

Good luck with it!

 

[TorTorden_VR]

These are the settings I have settled on now.
And I'm loving it.

Spoiler

I have also setup on\off commands for ASW in voice attack.
95% of the time I prefer it off, but there are few cases where it's better to have it than not, and for these situations decreasing settings does nothing to improve fps either.

I'm not rushing to upgrade anything further yet, this is fine.

 

[CylonSurfer]

These are the settings I have settled on now.
And I'm loving it.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/PC1e4wc.png

I have also setup on\off commands for ASW in voice attack.
95% of the time I prefer it off, but there are few cases where it's better to have it than not, and for these situations decreasing settings does nothing to improve fps either.

I'm not rushing to upgrade anything further yet, this is fine.

I have almost the exact same settings on my rig. As you say they very work well for the most part.

 

[BlackSpaceCowboy]

Good luck with it!

Installed it yesterday. I didn't change any of my setting in ED yet. I just wanted to see if it improved frame rate made any different going from a 980ti.

Well the improved frame rate makes everything feel more real or vivid. I never had any detectable frame rate issues before. I think I was hovering around 80fps most of the time. Is it possible that frame rates above 90 make a visible difference?

 

[kiario]

Installed it yesterday. I didn't change any of my setting in ED yet. I just wanted to see if it improved frame rate made any different going from a 980ti.

Well the improved frame rate makes everything feel more real or vivid. I never had any detectable frame rate issues before. I think I was hovering around 80fps most of the time. Is it possible that frame rates above 90 make a visible difference?

90 fps is max. I dont hink rift can display higher. Anyway 90 is as smooth as it gets