It feels like someone is doing their job wrong
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Yes, I don't remember the game being near to 90% on steam either (or "neither"? I'll never get this straight...).
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Steam recent reviews for ED: 61%
I don't know about you, but I find this truly tragic.
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someone will come and tell you those 625 people are a irrelevant sample and theres still non steam users (which magically seem to be 99%999positive with the game).
But ending up mixed ion steam is actually tragic, as it is just "a game" and therefore far from a good feedback.
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I was talking about the 90%, genius.
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Sorry, but actually you are talking about 243, not 625. And yes, you asked for it
You're not talking to me, but I'm pretty sure that ED used to be rated as either "Very Positive" or "Overwhelmingly Positive" on Steam. I distinctly remember that it was one of them in late 2015.
Very Positive = 80%-94% positive reviews
Overwhelmingly Positive = 95%+
So he's probably right.
Also, you could manage to be a little less abrasive about it all. Attacking the messenger makes you look bad, not him. There's no need to apologize and defend every contention and issue people have. It makes you look like a fanboy, and with respect...nobody wants to discuss matters with a fanboy. Mostly because they lack objectivity. Don't be that guy. If I'm telling you this, it's because you're pretty much that guy in here. It's not a good look. Be a fan, but not a fanatic. Love it, but never lose your objectivity. The game isn't your baby and you don't work for Fronter; every critique can't be treated as if were a personal attack on you. FDev certainly doesn't.
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It was rated that high initially; I also remember that. The steam ratings very Closely resembled the gaming media ratings (i.e. 9's, 10's etc).
The problem with Elite is actually the long-term interest.
Would be interesting if games were rated at different play times. E.g. rating at 10 hours, rating at 100 hours, rating at 500 hours etc.
I think Elite still deserves the very positive scores for those first 100 or 200 hours. While everything is exciting and new. You're still getting new ships, exploring different game mechanics and trying out different things.
When you reach that point though (and I expect it's different time for most players) you suddenly realise that while you have lots of options, none of them are really very satisfying in and of themselves and once the ability to try out new things ebbs away, the realisation of grind and poor gameplay mechanics sinks in.
At that point players fall (in my experience into a number of categories:
1: They give up and go away
2: They find something they really enjoy, or they find a way to make the game enjoyable for themselves, and keep playing
3: They play on a more casual basis, dipping in and out of the game, hoping things will improve and posting suggestions/recommendations etc.
Where Elite really suffers, and why I personally believe its rating is declining sharply is because it bills itself as an MMO. People expect an MMO to be as exciting or entertaining at hour 1000 as it is at hour 10. Elite really struggles with that. If Elite were a single player game, people would play their 200 hours, be happy with their investment, and go onto the next game.
Except that Elite sets very different expectations, and then suffers when the reality stands up and hits players on the head.
That said Elite has a very big advantage that other MMOs do not. Most MMOs would have been killed by now with these declining ratings. Elite though has this rather odd group 3. I don't know many games that manage to disappoint their players, yet still somehow retain their loyalty in some form.
The single biggest danger Elite faces, in my view, is when group 3 players become group 1 players. This I think is where I feel "someone if doing their job wrong". FD are failing to convert players in group 3 into players in group 2, instead converting group 3 players into group 1 players.
The tin-foil-hat brigade will of course claim FD are deliberately cultivating group 1 players, as once they leave FD have their money and they no longer use an server resources. In many ways group 1 subsidise the other groups, and it the most profitable for FD.
Personally I don't think this is FD's approach. I really do believe they want this to be a great game for everyone, long-term. It's just that they aren't succeeding.
The same source. Steam.
At launch, ED was rated highly almost everywhere. Press, metacritic etc. Same at Steam launch. Then people gradually realised it was a hollow cake, and Frontier weren't going to fill it. Review score went down and down. Metacritic user score is now 50%.
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No, I meant actual source, not what you believe to remember.
You said it changed with the release of Horizons. So it took them a year to realise they don't like the game?
BTW the 50% is for Horizons, a product that no longer exists as standalone version. Metacritic is at 6,6 and has been there since release in 2014 IIRC.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/elite-dangerous
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Undertale has a 10/10 rating on Steam.
Undertale is a 16-bit indie game, both in graphics and sound, and is basically just a knock-off of any number of games that were around during the 80s and 90s (that were also much better but are forgotten by today's hipster-tumblr generation).
Enough said when it comes to the validity of steam reviews, okay?
Undertale is a 16-bit indie game, both in graphics and sound, and is basically just a knock-off of any number of games that were around during the 80s and 90s (that were also much better but are forgotten by today's hipster-tumblr generation).
Enough said when it comes to the validity of steam reviews, okay?
Yes, it says undertale despite it's poor graphics and sound compared to Ed is actually a more loved game because the game aspect, that's tons more important that pretty graphics and sound, is really good. Undertale is also a critical darling of the gaming press so it's not even just a cult success.
Steam is the actual source, as recalled by myself and others who were paying attention at the time. Clearly you're not one of those people.
No I did not.
Read the reviews for yourself.
You'll see players who patiently gave FD a year (and more) to make good on the Braben promises, advertising and hype, before wising up.
And others who found their liking for the game steadily diminishing as Frontier nerfed weepons & ships, downgraded graphics, broke basic functions, added unpopular features such as CQC, PowerPlay and RNGineers.
Fact is, for a substantial number of players, ED is now a worse game than it was two years ago.
Wrong. The 50% is for "ELITE DANGEROUS: HORIZONS" which is still on sale right now as both DLC and bundle, and hence still getting reviews.
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Elite simply bit off more than it could chew.
400 billion stars and trillions of planets is a hard ask. Tough not to be repetitive. Tough not to be repetitive.
Look at the GTA series...they concentrate on ONE city...not a 100 or 400 billion. They nail the town and the surrounding area. I don't hear anyone asking for more cities.
I'd like to see FDEV concentrate all their energy on making just ONE planetary system(ala GTA5's one city).
Call it "Elite: Saturn" or something.
Proper orbital dynamics....get the moons and Saturn's Ring right. Add Thousands of orbiting space stations. No FTL. The gameplay is all centered in the Saturn(or Jupiter) system. Takes days to traverse it....no quick cargo runs. Mysterious monoliths are uncovered on Titan...ETC.... A proper sandbox....The struggle for Saturn.
400 billion stars and trillions of planets is a hard ask. Tough not to be repetitive. Tough not to be repetitive.
Look at the GTA series...they concentrate on ONE city...not a 100 or 400 billion. They nail the town and the surrounding area. I don't hear anyone asking for more cities.
I'd like to see FDEV concentrate all their energy on making just ONE planetary system(ala GTA5's one city).
Call it "Elite: Saturn" or something.
Proper orbital dynamics....get the moons and Saturn's Ring right. Add Thousands of orbiting space stations. No FTL. The gameplay is all centered in the Saturn(or Jupiter) system. Takes days to traverse it....no quick cargo runs. Mysterious monoliths are uncovered on Titan...ETC.... A proper sandbox....The struggle for Saturn.
I dont really need much more in th way of new features. Id like to see everything they have fleshed out. Everything needs to have depth added to it.
The secret is this: no matter how short or long or just right you play a game, those people will always complain about your complaints.
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