Has to be said;
one), so you don't fall for it
two) , so you know when its happening to your thread and you can knock it on the head before its gets messy.
In no way do i expect everyone to be able to discuses an argument at the same level (i'm no expert) but some people play dumb, and know exactly what they are doing... sadly, this is allowed to often, as people think its innocent chatter, and just trying to participate in a 'forum'.
But its all to clear, there are now 'tools' to play the forum. People playing it as a game. Not talking about salt mining poster, the main problem is derailment and getting post locked, burring and diluting... epically when one side can/has lost an argument.
Lets list a few tactic in use;
*The friend banter*. This is where one person post something (normally in opposition the OP, nothing wrong with that) then a second person come along, agrees (also fine) but start saying things along the lines of 'oh, hi, not seen you in a while' followed by 'hi, nah, been a while, what you upto'. followed by.. well you get the idea. This could be done in private IMs, or even a catch up thread in off topic. They aren't even having a catch up, Its just derailment.
*The bait*. when something off topic is brought up as an opposition point. This is to get you to argument about that topic instead. if that fails, baiting moves on to antagonisation(winding people up), hoping to spark a thread fight and derail or even get the thread locked (we see this way too much, and the thread get lock, while the people that planted the seeds get off scott-free)
*The bury*. This seem so innocent, posting of many videos. image without spoiler tags.. just a nooby mistake right, lack of etiquette? Nope (at lest for poster that should know better). It's about taking up visible space on the thread. To make it look like a large area of the topic has gone do another road. This is used as it brakes no rules, and looks like a innocent act.
don't play their games... Just report it, if you believe its going on, and let the mods look at what happening. Even link back to this thread if you want them to know what you think is happening
I'm sure i've only listed some of the 'tools' in use to play the forums, feel free to add more (gets ready for links of me doing it
I try not too, and not in the underhanded way i have just listed.)
...and yes, technically, this is not 'Elite' stuff, and should be in off-topic, but it is being played out the elite forums, and I would like to see it stop... we are not playing your games anymore!
Don't wanna see a 'police state' forum, but also don't want the forums to be spoiled by a few people.
Added: I haven't set these points out as rules(for one, i cant do that), how you run a thread you open is up to you. I'm just showing what is going on in some cases, so that people that wish to stop such actions, before they get out of hand, can do so.
one), so you don't fall for it
two) , so you know when its happening to your thread and you can knock it on the head before its gets messy.
In no way do i expect everyone to be able to discuses an argument at the same level (i'm no expert) but some people play dumb, and know exactly what they are doing... sadly, this is allowed to often, as people think its innocent chatter, and just trying to participate in a 'forum'.
But its all to clear, there are now 'tools' to play the forum. People playing it as a game. Not talking about salt mining poster, the main problem is derailment and getting post locked, burring and diluting... epically when one side can/has lost an argument.
Lets list a few tactic in use;
*The friend banter*. This is where one person post something (normally in opposition the OP, nothing wrong with that) then a second person come along, agrees (also fine) but start saying things along the lines of 'oh, hi, not seen you in a while' followed by 'hi, nah, been a while, what you upto'. followed by.. well you get the idea. This could be done in private IMs, or even a catch up thread in off topic. They aren't even having a catch up, Its just derailment.
*The bait*. when something off topic is brought up as an opposition point. This is to get you to argument about that topic instead. if that fails, baiting moves on to antagonisation(winding people up), hoping to spark a thread fight and derail or even get the thread locked (we see this way too much, and the thread get lock, while the people that planted the seeds get off scott-free)
*The bury*. This seem so innocent, posting of many videos. image without spoiler tags.. just a nooby mistake right, lack of etiquette? Nope (at lest for poster that should know better). It's about taking up visible space on the thread. To make it look like a large area of the topic has gone do another road. This is used as it brakes no rules, and looks like a innocent act.
don't play their games... Just report it, if you believe its going on, and let the mods look at what happening. Even link back to this thread if you want them to know what you think is happening
I'm sure i've only listed some of the 'tools' in use to play the forums, feel free to add more (gets ready for links of me doing it
I try not too, and not in the underhanded way i have just listed.)...and yes, technically, this is not 'Elite' stuff, and should be in off-topic, but it is being played out the elite forums, and I would like to see it stop... we are not playing your games anymore!
Don't wanna see a 'police state' forum, but also don't want the forums to be spoiled by a few people.
Added: I haven't set these points out as rules(for one, i cant do that
), how you run a thread you open is up to you. I'm just showing what is going on in some cases, so that people that wish to stop such actions, before they get out of hand, can do so.
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