General / Off-Topic Be wise to the forum games...

[Sooden]

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On topic: You don't actually run the forum so truthfully, I don't particularly give a crap what you think is appropriate or otherwise. Hope you don't take offence at that because there's no emotional component in that statement whatsoever, it's just a bald fact. You are coming across as spectacularly humourless though, as well as seemingly having no recognition whatsoever of the fact conversations often grow organically depending on individual's input and that interesting and unforseen outcomes can often arise from that.

Keep hammer that point. Some off topic convo helps, some is done to derail. it's just a bald fact.

When it done to derail, it's normal veiled as thin attempt to contribute to the topic. by commenting/participating in the conversation and then moving on to a none related conversation between friends. Maybe people that do it cant see what they are doing (but i don't think that's the case)

'You don't actually run the forum so truthfully'. thanks for letting me know. but when i open a thread, i run the flow of its content as the author. and as long i i follow the rules, keep on topic, i don't see why i should put up with other messing around with a thread i have opened... Its not much to ask

('that's censorship!'... don't do it!, it not worth it )

 

[Mikey2305]

@sooden... not much to ask. But surely when you release your statement into the public domain, you have effectively lost control of it. You may attempt to control the thread and the direction of its content by your subsequent posts but people may respond what they like within the limits of what is acceptable.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

'You don't actually run the forum so truthfully'. thanks for letting me know. but when i open a thread, i run the flow of its content as the author. and as long i i follow the rules, keep on topic, i don't see why i should put up with other messing around with a thread i have opened... Its not much to ask

A small note I'll add before bowing out as I don't think this thread is going too much further.

FDev and the Volunteer Moderators do run the forums and have set up a list of rules found here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/251032-Forum-Rules-and-Guidelines-(23-May-2016)

You are correct that the following rule applies:

5) Avoid Spamming, or off-topic replies.

Spam is defined as posting content to the forums that is completely irrelevant to the forum or thread, such as gibberish or mindless bumping.

Please avoid deliberately disruptive content such as back-to-back posts, posts that are significantly off topic, or continous replies to posts in a short period of time.

But you are also incorrect.

You as the author/OP/whatever of the thread do not have the right to run the flow of it's content.

The two things you can do:
1) Report posts you feel break the Forum Rules and Guidelines as set by FDev and the Volunteer Moderators.
2) Request the thread be locked.


As you state in the OP people can circumvent rule 5 by appearing to contribute when really they are derailing, which leaves you only with the option to lock the post. Personally I'd report these people if the thread gets derailed by them but usually in the report box I'll say something like: "Probably unintentional but this is getting off the topic I wanted this thread to discuss" and if no action is taken and the post is derailed further then request the thread be locked, maybe after 48 hours. Keep it light and non-accusatory, puts you in the right. By defining people as trolls or whatever you make yourself look like the bad person labelling people. Best to assume positive intent and let the mods decide the course of action. Usually they'll post in here as Yaffle has done to ask people to stay on topic or the thread gets locked.

If threads keep getting locked and the same people keep getting reported for derailing things then they'll get dealt with by the mod team or asked to stay on topic. It's not an ideal situation but often discussions evolve organically. It's hard for the mods and users to ascertain which threads evolve and which ones are the ones which the OP want to strictly keep to the subject. Which brings me to the aside note below.


Aside:
By trying to control people and what they say the natural reaction is for them to rebel, especially on the internet. The only way to enforce it is to put a reasonable proposal forwards and warn people if they don't keep it together you'll just request the thread be closed. I've had mixed success an example of which is here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ve-quot-Paintjob-and-Cosmetic-Feedback-Thread
See the first paragraph and how I tried to handle it. A lot of it is how you put it across to people, even though we are sovereign on the internet and can write what/how we like a little bit of diplomacy often is all it takes to turn a direct comment into a suggestive one and that is then perceived as a question instead of a personal attack.


Note: A few significant edits have been made to the last part of this post. All done now at 21:52 so quote away and discuss further but stay on the original topic about people gaming the Forum Rules.

 

[hems303]

Damn, all my tricks revealed!

But seriously, forum is social interacting and can be regulated just that much.
I know in England social interacting is very regulated (they call it "politeness"), but is that really such a good thing?
In Holland we can be blunt all the time

Really? I visited Holland last week for my very first time there. I was mightily impressed by the welcome from very polite inhabitants without single exception. This despite me being a ? "Toxic Brexit Brit" ?
"Blunt all the time"?????? I saw no evidence.[where is it]
To my observation the Netherlandish "politeness" was of a far greater degree than that generally demonstrated by we English... I will be returning soon to your fine country, thanks Holland![heart]
P.S. PLEASE please don't let the United States of Europe totally assimilate your fair people and unique cultural identity!

 

[Sooden]

A small note I'll add before bowing out as I don't think this thread is going too much further.

FDev and the Volunteer Moderators do run the forums and have set up a list of rules found here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/251032-Forum-Rules-and-Guidelines-(23-May-2016)

You are correct that the following rule applies:




But you are also incorrect.

You as the author/OP/whatever of the thread do not have the right to run the flow of it's content.

The two things you can do:
1) Report posts you feel break the Forum Rules and Guidelines as set by FDev and the Volunteer Moderators.
2) Request the thread be locked.


As you state in the OP people can circumvent rule 5 by appearing to contribute when really they are derailing, which leaves you only with the option to lock the post. Personally I'd report these people if the thread gets derailed by them but usually in the report box I'll say something like: "Probably unintentional but this is getting off the topic I wanted this thread to discuss" and if no action is taken and the post is derailed further then request the thread be locked, maybe after 48 hours. Keep it light and non-accusatory, puts you in the right. By defining people as trolls or whatever you make yourself look like the bad person labelling people. Best to assume positive intent and let the mods decide the course of action. Usually they'll post in here as Yaffle has done to ask people to stay on topic or the thread gets locked.

If threads keep getting locked and the same people keep getting reported for derailing things then they'll get dealt with by the mod team or asked to stay on topic. It's not an ideal situation but often discussions evolve organically. It's hard for the mods and users to ascertain which threads evolve and which ones are the ones which the OP want to strictly keep to the subject. Which brings me to the aside note below.


Aside:
By trying to control people and what they say the natural reaction is for them to rebel, especially on the internet. The only way to enforce it is to put a reasonable proposal forwards and warn people if they don't keep it together you'll just request the thread be closed. I've had mixed success an example of which is here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ve-quot-Paintjob-and-Cosmetic-Feedback-Thread
See the first paragraph and how I tried to handle it. A lot of it is how you put it across to people, even though we are sovereign on the internet and can write what/how we like a little bit of diplomacy often is all it takes to turn a direct comment into a suggestive one and that is then perceived as a question instead of a personal attack.


Note: A few significant edits have been made to the last part of this post. All done now at 21:52 so quote away and discuss further but stay on the original topic about people gaming the Forum Rules.

1) Report posts you feel break the Forum Rules and Guidelines as set by FDev and the Volunteer Moderators.
2) Request the thread be locked.

that what i have done. this is why i said 'run the flow'. and...

You as the author/OP/whatever of the thread do not have the right to run the flow of it's content.

...yes i do. i can pick which post i interact with (normally all, in a proper thread),kinda important when people are talking to the OP.. I can also update the opening post (all ways make a note of what was added) to try and avoid misunderstanding that have come up of the course of descution, in order to avoid fresh post directed at the OP, causing a recycling of arguments.

i cant also point out where a subject of the thread is going into a dead end and hope people agree... its not controlling the content, its controlling the flow
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'Probably unintentional but this is getting off the topic I wanted this thread to discuss" and if no action is taken and the post is derailed further then request the thread be locked, maybe after 48 hours. Keep it light and non-accusatory, puts you in the right'


I would never request a lock out for more than a chance for a moderate to look of the thread.

Normally a thread that had run out of steam, and is not trolled, will happily fall down the pages. Without the need for locking.

To lock a thread due to derailment attempt would not be productive, a last resort.

a abuse report , like mine, covered what i think is going on, and then i asked the moderate to use their judgment (they say if something is untoward or not, no need for me to accuse anyone in a report). Not gonna cover it in flowers.

as for how i did my reporting, it was fair, it was polite... its was after asking the persons in the thread to stop doing what they where doing... but they saw that as blood in the water, so rather than get involved. i reported what was going on.... The problem with the statement i just made... post are gone, its all 'he said, she said' now. but just wanted to state.

we cant debate something that no longer exists (ooh no, flow control)

 

[Sooden]

@sooden... not much to ask. But surely when you release your statement into the public domain, you have effectively lost control of it. You may attempt to control the thread and the direction of its content by your subsequent posts but people may respond what they like within the limits of what is acceptable.

have i used the word control? if i have sorry, my bad. would never try to control a thread, but steer it in a good direction. this is why i used the wording '..but when i open a thread, i run the flow of its content as the author.'

where you trying to create something that was not there(said), hoping i would my defend it, and the you could win and argument? or did you not read it as i intended (as i'm not that good with words)

Run and content are in the same sentence of my statement, but there are some other word in there as well. '


Added: before you waste my time...
yes the word control is in the post just before this one...

 

[Strangepork]

Has to be said;
one), so you don't fall for it
two) , so you know when its happening to your thread and you can knock it on the head before its gets messy.


In no way do i expect everyone to be able to discuses an argument at the same level (i'm no expert) but some people play dumb, and know exactly what they are doing... sadly, this is allowed to often, as people think its innocent chatter, and just trying to participate in a 'forum'.

But its all to clear, there are now 'tools' to play the forum. People playing it as a game. Not talking about salt mining poster, the main problem is derailment and getting post locked, burring and diluting... epically when one side can/has lost an argument.

Lets list a few tactic in use;

*The friend banter*. This is where one person post something (normally in opposition the OP, nothing wrong with that) then a second person come along, agrees (also fine) but start saying things along the lines of 'oh, hi, not seen you in a while' followed by 'hi, nah, been a while, what you upto'. followed by.. well you get the idea. This could be done in private IMs, or even a catch up thread in off topic. They aren't even having a catch up, Its just derailment.

*The bait*. when something off topic is brought up as an opposition point. This is to get you to argument about that topic instead. if that fails, baiting moves on to antagonisation(winding people up), hoping to spark a thread fight and derail or even get the thread locked (we see this way too much, and the thread get lock, while the people that planted the seeds get off scott-free)

*The bury*. This seem so innocent, posting of many videos. image without spoiler tags.. just a nooby mistake right, lack of etiquette? Nope (at lest for poster that should know better). It's about taking up visible space on the thread. To make it look like a large area of the topic has gone do another road. This is used as it brakes no rules, and looks like a innocent act.


don't play their games... Just report it, if you believe its going on, and let the mods look at what happening. Even link back to this thread if you want them to know what you think is happening


I'm sure i've only listed some of the 'tools' in use to play the forums, feel free to add more (gets ready for links of me doing it I try not too, and not in the underhanded way i have just listed.)


...and yes, technically, this is not 'Elite' stuff, and should be in off-topic, but it is being played out the elite forums, and I would like to see it stop... we are not playing your games anymore!


Don't wanna see a 'police state' forum, but also don't want the forums to be spoiled by a few people.

Added: I haven't set these points out as rules(for one, i cant do that ), how you run a thread you open is up to you. I'm just showing what is going on in some cases, so that people that wish to stop such actions, before they get out of hand, can do so.

How to 'knock it on the head', exactly?

 

[Alex Brentnall]

1) Report posts you feel break the Forum Rules and Guidelines as set by FDev and the Volunteer Moderators.
2) Request the thread be locked.
that what i have done. this is why i said 'run the flow'. and...
You as the author/OP/whatever of the thread do not have the right to run the flow of it's content.
...yes i do. i can pick which post i interact with (normally all, in a proper thread),kinda important when people are talking to the OP.. I can also update the opening post (all ways make a note of what was added) to try and avoid misunderstanding that have come up of the course of descution, in order to avoid fresh post directed at the OP, causing a recycling of arguments.
i cant also point out where a subject of the thread is going into a dead end and hope people agree... its not controlling the content, its controlling the flow
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'Probably unintentional but this is getting off the topic I wanted this thread to discuss" and if no action is taken and the post is derailed further then request the thread be locked, maybe after 48 hours. Keep it light and non-accusatory, puts you in the right'
I would never request a lock out for more than a chance for a moderate to look of the thread.
Normally a thread that had run out of steam, and is not trolled, will happily fall down the pages. Without the need for locking.
To lock a thread due to derailment attempt would not be productive, a last resort.
a abuse report , like mine, covered what i think is going on, and then i asked the moderate to use their judgment (they say if something is untoward or not, no need for me to accuse anyone in a report). Not gonna cover it in flowers.
as for how i did my reporting, it was fair, it was polite... its was after asking the persons in the thread to stop doing what they where doing... but they saw that as blood in the water, so rather than get involved. i reported what was going on.... The problem with the statement i just made... post are gone, its all 'he said, she said' now. but just wanted to state.
we cant debate something that no longer exists (ooh no, flow control)

On the run the flow. We may have gotten mixed up with terminology.

What I mean by "run the flow" is control what people talk about. That nobody can do except the person posting.
I think what you mean by "run the flow" is direct the thread in the direction you want. That is true but nudge/direct and control are two different things entirely.

Also I think it's important we make the distinction between intentional derailment and honest discussion. The intentional derailment is rare tbh.

For example I started this thread about the galaxy size only last week: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/349578-The-Galaxy-is-Huge
And I left people to it. The conversation/discussion developed organically into how faster than light travel could/couldn't work. I could have re-directed it to talk about the scale of the galaxy since the merits/drawbacks of FTL flight wasn't the point of the thread but it was a similar topic that people wanted to talk about. There was a derailment there but it was an honest one and well, it wasn't a bad little discussion even if it wasn't the point of the thread. Yes I started the thread but if thats what people want to talk about who am I to stop them.


On the other hand as I said, I also take the view that most of my posts/time on the forums have a positive impact, I almost always try to post things that are helpful. If people want to be silly I'm happy for that particular bit of helpfulness to get locked and not have my free time wasted. I've only done so once in my 150 odd started threads, the most recent being here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/327097-Fighter-Paintjob-packs-now-in-store!
It was meant to be a positive thread giving people a heads up about about new stuff we have the choice to buy or not, people took it as an endorsement of the price/paintpacks and it went from positive to negative to miserable to ranty to downright rude so I pressed the nuke button. As OP I do not have any more control than a circus ringmaster, I can book the acts but can't tell the acrobats which way to jump. Yes asking for the thread to be locked is the nuclear response but sometimes it's the best course of action to stop something dead and not get embroiled in an argument. Life is too short and we are all spending our free time here. Except FDev, they get paid to read here when at work

we cant debate something that no longer exists (ooh no, flow control)

Yet you made this thread so now here we all are discussing the principals of it all?

Finally stop me if I'm wrong but what I'm reading out of this is that you use the report function and the offending post got removed.
System is working is it not? Why are we here?



Don't take me too seriously either, it's late, i've been drinking and well I don't really disagree with you on most of your points about some of the people here. I just think your impression of the forums is a bit wrong.


Anyway, done here. Night all and enjoy. Byeee

 

[Sooden]

How to 'knock it on the head', exactly?

best question by far... i guess its up to the OP to work that out...

Personally i would ask them to stop (put a please in there if appropriate) and if it carries on, then report...

 

[Sooden]

On the run the flow. We may have gotten mixed up with terminology.

What I mean by "run the flow" is control what people talk about. That nobody can do except the person posting.
I think what you mean by "run the flow" is direct the thread in the direction you want. That is true but nudge/direct and control are two different things entirely.

Also I think it's important we make the distinction between intentional derailment and honest discussion. The intentional derailment is rare tbh.

For example I started this thread about the galaxy size only last week: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/349578-The-Galaxy-is-Huge
And I left people to it. The conversation/discussion developed organically into how faster than light travel could/couldn't work. I could have re-directed it to talk about the scale of the galaxy since the merits/drawbacks of FTL flight wasn't the point of the thread but it was a similar topic that people wanted to talk about. There was a derailment there but it was an honest one and well, it wasn't a bad little discussion even if it wasn't the point of the thread. Yes I started the thread but if thats what people want to talk about who am I to stop them.


On the other hand as I said, I also take the view that most of my posts/time on the forums have a positive impact, I almost always try to post things that are helpful. If people want to be silly I'm happy for that particular bit of helpfulness to get locked and not have my free time wasted. I've only done so once in my 150 odd started threads, the most recent being here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/327097-Fighter-Paintjob-packs-now-in-store!
It was meant to be a positive thread giving people a heads up about about new stuff we have the choice to buy or not, people took it as an endorsement of the price/paintpacks and it went from positive to negative to miserable to ranty to downright rude so I pressed the nuke button. As OP I do not have any more control than a circus ringmaster, I can book the acts but can't tell the acrobats which way to jump. Yes asking for the thread to be locked is the nuclear response but sometimes it's the best course of action to stop something dead and not get embroiled in an argument. Life is too short and we are all spending our free time here. Except FDev, they get paid to read here when at work



Yet you made this thread so now here we all are discussing the principals of it all?

Finally stop me if I'm wrong but what I'm reading out of this is that you use the report function and the offending post got removed.
System is working is it not? Why are we here?



Don't take me too seriously either, it's late, i've been drinking and well I don't really disagree with you on most of your points about some of the people here. I just think your impression of the forums is a bit wrong.


Anyway, done here. Night all and enjoy. Byeee

i enjoy a post that genuinely challenges my position .. so no hard feelings, if i'm lucky i can learn something.

Yes its important that the difference of intentional derails and organic changes is pointed out.

RE:'Yet you made this thread so now here we all are discussing the principals of it all?'...

that point is now getting cloudy. It refers right back to the early post at its originals, where someone commented about a post i was responsible for its removal....

It was about how they where acing all innocent, and i said they where not, but as the post was gone, it could not be debated... it was may word against theirs

 

[Garbarrage]

Keep hammer that point. Some off topic convo helps, some is done to derail. it's just a bald fact.

When it done to derail, it's normal veiled as thin attempt to contribute to the topic. by commenting/participating in the conversation and then moving on to a none related conversation between friends. Maybe people that do it cant see what they are doing (but i don't think that's the case)

'You don't actually run the forum so truthfully'. thanks for letting me know. but when i open a thread, i run the flow of its content as the author. and as long i i follow the rules, keep on topic, i don't see why i should put up with other messing around with a thread i have opened... Its not much to ask

('that's censorship!'... don't do it!, it not worth it )

Here's the thing... while I could PM Red and carry on the conversation in private, I don't consider 99% of the threads on here worthy of making that effort in. There's a number of threads where players seem to think that their soapbox is:
a) Crucial to the ongoing future of the game, because if their current whims are not heeded and followed by the Devs, the game will fail, because the Steam charts say so.

b) Outright accusations of money grabbing and/or incompetence by a company that as far as I can see, are simply trying to make the best game that they can with the resources and technology available

c) Critiques from armchair developers/business experts in the Dangerous Discussion forum, which really belong in the suggestion or bug report forum.

d) Angst and anger and entitled dummy spitting.

The only threads where OPs would get all bent out of shape when posters don't respect their Authoratah, usually fall into one of those categories.

Conversations evolve organically within threads that are more or less about the game, and sometimes become entertaining enough that others join in, and a living community is created.

The crux of this is, that while forums are important (to a much lesser degree than most posters believe) for feedback and suggestions, their greatest benefit comes from fostering a strong community for those that are interested in doing so. A strong community is not to be confused with a players union of disgruntled people with unrealistic expectations, or at the extreme end, a lynch mob.

Personally, I think FD should encourage more censorship on here. Complaint threads and the neverending duplicate threads should be deleted or moved much more than they are right now.

I've not played at all as im currently balls deep in building a minecraft city.

I might have a look see come 2.4 or 3. whatever.

On topic: games are good bacon is better vote conservative for a strong and stable government, smell my spaniel, Rise up comrades, ban the teletubbies.

See you in 2.4 so. I've had another spark of interest here for now, although I'm being much more conservative with my time. Shorter less frequent sessions. As soon as I can't be bothered, I log off. Plus, it's the summer, so trying to get outside as much as I can with the kids. The daughter is 5 this August, and the craic is savage out of her these days.

 

[Sooden]

Here's the thing... while I could PM Red and carry on the conversation in private, I don't consider 99% of the threads on here worthy of making that effort in. There's a number of threads where players seem to think that their soapbox is:
a) Crucial to the ongoing future of the game, because if their current whims are not heeded and followed by the Devs, the game will fail, because the Steam charts say so.

b) Outright accusations of money grabbing and/or incompetence by a company that as far as I can see, are simply trying to make the best game that they can with the resources and technology available

c) Critiques from armchair developers/business experts in the Dangerous Discussion forum, which really belong in the suggestion or bug report forum.

d) Angst and anger and entitled dummy spitting.

The only threads where OPs would get all bent out of shape when posters don't respect their Authoratah, usually fall into one of those categories.

Conversations evolve organically within threads that are more or less about the game, and sometimes become entertaining enough that others join in, and a living community is created.

The crux of this is, that while forums are important (to a much lesser degree than most posters believe) for feedback and suggestions, their greatest benefit comes from fostering a strong community for those that are interested in doing so. A strong community is not to be confused with a players union of disgruntled people with unrealistic expectations, or at the extreme end, a lynch mob.

Personally, I think FD should encourage more censorship on here. Complaint threads and the neverending duplicate threads should be deleted or moved much more than they are right now.


See you in 2.4 so. I've had another spark of interest here for now, although I'm being much more conservative with my time. Shorter less frequent sessions. As soon as I can't be bothered, I log off. Plus, it's the summer, so trying to get outside as much as I can with the kids. The daughter is 5 this August, and the craic is savage out of her these days.

RE:'while I could PM Red and carry on the conversation in private, I don't consider 99% of the threads on here worthy of making that effort in. There's a number of threads where players seem to think that their soapbox is:'

So if your don't feel a thread is worthy, you feel entitled to derail it. If it hasn't satisfied your own personal rules, therefor, it must go... Love it, getting a good inside look at why people do what they do. ...and people though i was controlling

knew you wouldn't let me down

 

[LeoBartlet]

Plus, it's the summer, so trying to get outside as much as I can with the kids. The daughter is 5 this August, and the craic is savage out of her these days.

You get summer in the provinces?

 

[m0rl0ck]

Its a big universe and nothings personal, tho the less evolved would have you think and act otherwise. I just try to say what i have to say and be done with it. None of the game related arguments on the forum are winnable, as in making any real world difference, unless you are part of the FD team and have some control.
None of the personal arguments on the forum are winnable because when that kind of stuff starts all involved parties look like nitwits. Just say your piece and quit imo. No reason to get sucked into any sort of game.

 

[Garbarrage]

RE:'while I could PM Red and carry on the conversation in private, I don't consider 99% of the threads on here worthy of making that effort in. There's a number of threads where players seem to think that their soapbox is:'

So if your don't feel a thread is worthy, you feel entitled to derail it. If it hasn't satisfied your own personal rules, therefor, it must go... Love it, getting a good inside look at why people do what they do. ...and people though i was controlling

knew you wouldn't let me down

Entitled or not is for mods to decide. I just do what I do and don't really spare it much more thought than that. It should have been apparent enough without the need for a study into it.

What's said on here is of little consequence, whatever the topic. So, why worry so much about how presentable that topic is?

A thread can only be derailed for readers that lack the capacity to skim over it. Anything short of outright flaming or insults shouldn't have that power for topics that are interesting enough to enough people. Try to "derail" a Canonn thread for example. Off-topic posts would just get lost in 500 pages of posts that are on topic. The community decides.

Then you get threads in one of the categories that I described earlier, and they get derailed easily, which just shows what an echo chamber for a vocal minority they actually are.

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You get summer in the provinces?

It's brighter for longer through all the rain normally, but right now it's like a different country. Hay fever and everything.

 

[Sooden]

Entitled or not is for mods to decide. I just do what I do and don't really spare it much more thought than that. It should have been apparent enough without the need for a study into it.

What's said on here is of little consequence, whatever the topic. So, why worry so much about how presentable that topic is?

A thread can only be derailed for readers that lack the capacity to skim over it. Anything short of outright flaming or insults shouldn't have that power for topics that are interesting enough to enough people. Try to "derail" a Canonn thread for example. Off-topic posts would just get lost in 500 pages of posts that are on topic. The community decides.

Then you get threads in one of the categories that I described earlier, and they get derailed easily, which just shows what an echo chamber for a vocal minority they actually are.

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It's brighter for longer through all the rain normally, but right now it's like a different country. Hay fever and everything.

The jist of that being. 'if you thread is not good enough it fair game' okay, that's your opinion ... wonderful service you are providing to the forums

(you know your saying you are trying to moderate the forums with spam, if you think a topic is weak)

RE:Entitled or not is for mods to decide, exactly. so like i have done in the past, when such conversations are not in keeping with the threads topic (and a possible derailment ploy), i report it to the moderates and ask them too take, then they judge if something is untoward.

we finally got there, and in the end, it was you that said it

 

[Sir.Tj]

Christ on a bike...

What is wrong with everybody?

Deep breaths peeps...Deep Breaths..

 

[LeoBartlet]

It's brighter for longer through all the rain normally, but right now it's like a different country. Hay fever and everything.

We've had some sun here in scotchland but it's slowly being chased away.

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Christ on a bike...

What is wrong with everybody?

Deep breaths peeps...Deep Breaths..

Perhaps what people need here is a game update so they can better target their indignant rage.

As for the thread I have no idea what the OP's problem is.

 

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We've had some sun here in scotchland but it's slowly being chased away.

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Perhaps what people need here is a game update so they can better target their indignant rage.

As for the thread I have no idea what the OP's problem is.

re:As for the thread I have no idea what the OP's problem is. i'm sure if you read the thread, you may see the issues at hand.

Done the best i can to explain, and clear things up. if you don't get it, these's little more i can do...

its always the same few names, bunched together, doing these same underhand things. You have ganged up on me and tried your best to defend what you do. hasn't worked..

So.. as stated a few times, by a few people, i don't run the forums just keep your pointlessness away from my threads not that hard too do. It's not as if i will go into someone else thread and white-knight.

The point of this thread was to let others know what was going on, and what to do...and to trap a few of the culprits in there own game... yes you got a thread where your silliness was wanted

well aware that now i have made myself a target for such posters and any time i post in any thread, it will be ripped part, looking for a way to 'shame' me...oh well, this is to be expected.

 

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The jist of that being. 'if you thread is not good enough it fair game' okay, that's your opinion ... wonderful service you are providing to the forums

(you know your saying you are trying to moderate the forums with spam, if you think a topic is weak)

RE:Entitled or not is for mods to decide, exactly. so like i have done in the past, when such conversations are not in keeping with the threads topic (and a possible derailment ploy), i report it to the moderates and ask them too take, then they judge if something is untoward.

we finally got there, and in the end, it was you that said it

Not exactly. You described it in your OP as "a game" or a tactic with the explicit intention of derailment. My argument, is that derailment is never my intention, I just don't take most threads as seriously as some, particularly those who would use the forum as a soapbox.

Sure, the mods can decide, but in reality threads that don't fit into the categories that I outlined (ie reasonable threads made by people who are here because they enjoy being here) police themselves. As opposed to threads made by people who are only posting to tell everyone why they hate being here.

*The friend banter*. This is where one person post something (normally in opposition the OP, nothing wrong with that) then a second person come along, agrees (also fine) but start saying things along the lines of 'oh, hi, not seen you in a while' followed by 'hi, nah, been a while, what you upto'. followed by.. well you get the idea. This could be done in private IMs, or even a catch up thread in off topic. They aren't even having a catch up, Its just derailment.

Is it derailment is the first poster agrees with you? You seem to be implying by omission that it's not. See, I do this all the time. Not to derail, simply because I don't consider anything said in a game forum important enough for more consideration.

In a thread with active and varied participation from a number of posters, these posts get lost in the noise to everyone not interested in them. No big deal.

*The bait*. when something off topic is brought up as an opposition point. This is to get you to argument about that topic instead. if that fails, baiting moves on to antagonisation(winding people up), hoping to spark a thread fight and derail or even get the thread locked (we see this way too much, and the thread get lock, while the people that planted the seeds get off scott-free)

Ok.... you might have a point with this one, but realistically, if you fall for it by responding, I wouldn't be hopeful that your original point would be worth the effort.

*The bury*. This seem so innocent, posting of many videos. image without spoiler tags.. just a nooby mistake right, lack of etiquette? Nope (at lest for poster that should know better). It's about taking up visible space on the thread. To make it look like a large area of the topic has gone do another road. This is used as it brakes no rules, and looks like a innocent act.

Or... some people are capable of skimming past fluff and are surprised that others seemingly can't maintain concentration in the face of the slightest of distractions. Must be a millennial thing. Go figure.

don't play their games... Just report it, if you believe its going on, and let the mods look at what happening. Even link back to this thread if you want them to know what you think is happening

Sure, because the mods would never be able to make up their own minds without the help of this thread.

What would they do without you? Collect your forum medal at reception.