I'm pretty sure it's legal either way. Previous presidents had information vetted by intelligence officials beforehand, but he can unilaterally declassify information by releasing it.
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I'm pretty sure it's legal either way. Previous presidents had information vetted by intelligence officials beforehand, but he can unilaterally declassify information by releasing it.
Your exactly correct.. everything President Donald Trump had said in the meeting did not undermine National Security nor its international intelligence agencies.
Some on this thread will attempt to debate this... but H R McMasters verified this to be true... dispelling the Fake news surrounding the accusation[yesnod]
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I'm not after all if he spreading classified information out of the open, than he is breaking the law.
Are you sure, this is really how it goes, he can share classified information just like that? Or this is how you think it goes?
By common sense if the information is classified when it's released than you broken the law, and to make something declassified you must declassify at first. How it's really goes, is depends on the law. But to say just by release it becames declassified? Is just stupid.
Here you go.
It's a bit murky. The president can declassify whatever he wants, as commander in chief. Some people argue that he declassifies info just by speaking it. Others argue he has declassify it explicitly, then talk about it.
Now, he didn't actually do that here; people can't file Freedom of Information Act requests for the info. It is still classified. He "disclosed" sensitive information from the Israelis and implicitly "authorized" the Russians to receive it. I would argue that he still has the ability to do this, but is an idiot for being so careless. The disclosure has been characterized as an attempt to brag about the kind of briefings he gets. (Many of which have to be only one page. And contain maps and graphs. And mention his name to keep him interested.)
For me, the controversy here is about Trump and Republicans abrading Clinton for being reckless with classified info. And for not allowing American press at the meeting while Russian press was present.
It's a bit murky. The president can declassify whatever he wants, as commander in chief. Some people argue that he declassifies info just by speaking it. Others argue he has declassify it explicitly, then talk about it.
Now, he didn't actually do that here; people can't file Freedom of Information Act requests for the info. It is still classified. He "disclosed" sensitive information from the Israelis and implicitly "authorized" the Russians to receive it. I would argue that he still has the ability to do this, but is an idiot for being so careless. The disclosure has been characterized as an attempt to brag about the kind of briefings he gets. (Many of which have to be only one page. And contain maps and graphs. And mention his name to keep him interested.)
For me, the controversy here is about Trump and Republicans abrading Clinton for being reckless with classified info. And for not allowing American press at the meeting while Russian press was present.
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To declassify something is a legal process, to say by simply talking about it, it's automatically became declassified? That's raises some eyebrows! And based on the harm what an information declassification can cause it's cannot be simple.
Talking about Hillary? She was careless. This have no doubt. But the information was still secure until someone(s) started to tamper with it. (just less secure compared to how it's supposed to be) She did not intentionally released any state secrets, unlike this clown.
Talking about Hillary? She was careless. This have no doubt. But the information was still secure until someone(s) started to tamper with it. (just less secure compared to how it's supposed to be) She did not intentionally released any state secrets, unlike this clown.
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I agree that it seems unusual, but he is the president. As head of the executive branch he has broad powers when it comes to national security. The weird part is that the info hasn't been declassified.
Yeah, Hillary made mistakes with her email (she's said as much herself). But as Comey stated, there was no bad intent and nothing was ever released.
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That not makes him above the law! He still the subject of it! What means if he released unclassified materials? Not to mention somehow i doubt he have the authority, just to declassify anything based on his own whims and will! This matters are strongly regulated, he have the access and the right to do so? Yes... But how this process really going? (I meant legally!)
Edit; Let me be clear! he is not allowing himself to talk about it, he is initiating a legal process, what might be end with the declassification of the documents in question, if all necessary conditions met! Understand the difference?
He writes the rules? Yep... He do! But he is also the subject of his own rules, and if he break it than he held accountable.
Edit2; How much a rule even his own creator kicks up worth? How much of the person who not even respecting his own rules worth? How it's looks like if you depending on your wish and desire just to help yourself out changing and neglecting your own rules? Rethink, refine and change them, because it turned out they are worthless, or problematics? Other thing!
And finally? It's a dangerous thing to give this much power to one person without any kind of control. And what we got right there? A giant baby without the slightest idea what he really doing, And he don't even want to listen others.
He is lacking even the most basic of foundations to do this.
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These are tricky questions, of US Law.
If Trump can issue Presidential Pardons, can he Pardon himself?
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Can you pull out of yourself from the swamp by your own hair, like Munchausen did?
Nope! If you break the laws you can't be your own judge! You written the laws and can change it? Yes! But the changes cannot have retroactive effect to save yourself.
Is there a specific law that bars a President from pardoning a specific citizen?
You can bet Trump will try to do it, once he gets cornered.
Also, extra credit for Munchausen!
You can bet Trump will try to do it, once he gets cornered.
Also, extra credit for Munchausen!
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No idea! Right now i'm thinking about another thing Can he disclose an information what touches an ongoing operation? I have my doubt about it, but right now not in the mood to read over the specific law. 
But what i think? Since the president must stand before a court just like us, i doubt he can pardon or condemn himself.
Edit; And also, I say, he can create rewrite and discontinue laws but to get them up and running? Some sort of approval must be necessary, and as far i know? This is how it goes.
But what i think? Since the president must stand before a court just like us, i doubt he can pardon or condemn himself.
Edit; And also, I say, he can create rewrite and discontinue laws but to get them up and running? Some sort of approval must be necessary, and as far i know? This is how it goes.
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Just a couple new developments:
Charles Krauthammer has raised the spectre of Amendment 25 being discussed amongst Republican politicians. This basically removes Presidents if they cannot discharge their duties. It's a coup, in other words.
Mike Pence started up a SuperPAC for 2020, so he's getting ready for the impeachment.
As more developments emerge, the weight of the Russian case becomes enormous from circumstantial evidence. Time Magazing has a new cover showing the White House getting consumed by the pretty Russian cathedral with the iced gem domes.
Meanwhile, Trump's ghostwriter went on record to suggest that as the rat trap closes, Trump will likely resign rather than get humiliated in public. Too Late, Trumpy. Too late for that.
Charles Krauthammer has raised the spectre of Amendment 25 being discussed amongst Republican politicians. This basically removes Presidents if they cannot discharge their duties. It's a coup, in other words.
Mike Pence started up a SuperPAC for 2020, so he's getting ready for the impeachment.
As more developments emerge, the weight of the Russian case becomes enormous from circumstantial evidence. Time Magazing has a new cover showing the White House getting consumed by the pretty Russian cathedral with the iced gem domes.
Meanwhile, Trump's ghostwriter went on record to suggest that as the rat trap closes, Trump will likely resign rather than get humiliated in public. Too Late, Trumpy. Too late for that.
There must be a lot of obsequious apologising to Israel at the moment. I'm not surprised that they are trying to perform a damage limitations on the blurted-out information. I do hope that this ignoring of presidential powers also extends to that Big Red Button. My big fear at the moment is Trump deciding "If I can't get to be President then I'm killing myself... and I'm taking everyone on the planet with me."
His aides should all be carrying stun guns so that they can take him down when he makes his next gaffe.
Whenever I think of the things Trumps accused Hillary Clinton of, it always reminds me of when he held that big press conference where he said that he never started the Obama Birth Certificate conspiracy theory... and it was Hillary that did it
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(I've put this text below a dotted line because what follows is a really stupid conspiracy theory, and I wanted to give the more sensible forumites a chance to bail out. It paints Trump in a slightly less stupid light)
I can remember when he held that conference, that he spent a massive amount of time praising the hotel's conference room. And then he said that he had us all fooled. The gist that I got from the announcement was that his standing for election was all a big publicity stunt to raise the profile of his hotels. He seemed genuinely surprised when the American Public were stupid enough to vote for him.
This doesn't mean that he wasn't a Manchurian Candidate. He owes Russia a lot of money, and they offered him a deal if he would run for president. Trump took the offer, but he didn't really want to be President. I mean, who would want such a terrible job? We've all seen the before and after pictures of past Presidents.
He took the offer, but he ran such a terrible campaign to scupper his own chances that it turned into an hilarious comedy, and surprise hit. If there's anyone who hasn't seen The Producers, go watch it now, the original one, not the remake.
Altogether now, "Springtime for Hitle....
I think that it's a little more meta then that as the President isn't under the classification/secrecy laws like everyone else is. I'm not sure whether he's declassified the information by speaking it, but I don't think that he did anything specifically illegal wrt classification law.
However, from seeing what all sorts of lawyers have said about the situation over the past few days:
1) If he gave away information that helps the USA's opponents then he may have broken his oaths of office.
2) On a practical level it puts any allies off sharing such information in the future. A fun thought is whether he broke any Israeli laws. Probably not, but that may have repercussions on it's own!
3) His national security agencies now REALLY hate him. These are people that you do not want to annoy too much as they can find where all the bodies are buried. As if going against the FBI (staffed by mainly lawyers and forensic accountants) wasn't stupid enough...
4) He's thrown his staff like McMasters under the bus by having them make denials one day, and then tweeting essentially an admission the next. This puts them in potential legal difficulty.
I have my popcorn well and truly out over this.
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Pence may well be going down because of Flynn - Trumps campaign new that Flynn was getting paid by Turkey & etc, and Pence was it's head.
There's a reason why Paul Ryan is wearing a brown-stuff-eating grin currently!
I didn't know you could buy ether over the counter in New Zealand.
He confused this with his reddit substubshred.
Ah, here some big words:
http://www.nytimes.com/newsletters/2017/05/19/the-interpreter
(awesome - USA is on one level with Venezuela and Iran now .. way to go)
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An interesting article here that is well worth reading.
No new information, an opinion piece, and it rolls back on many allegations made (such as intentional corruption or a Russia connection). It instead alledges that the Trump administration is suffering from a colossal level of incompetence mixed with a great deal of arrogance.
No new information, an opinion piece, and it rolls back on many allegations made (such as intentional corruption or a Russia connection). It instead alledges that the Trump administration is suffering from a colossal level of incompetence mixed with a great deal of arrogance.
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