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You retreat into the dogma instead of recognizing the truth.
What if silly Trump has bamboozled all you hypocritical fearful people?
Just.......
Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition.

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Bible ain't hackin' it there Six Exes.
All nonsense. Faith is a fraud that blinds you against science.

I put a wager challenge to you... based upon your own statements..

you refusing to accept the wager(see your previous posts), showed me your lack of confidence in what you speak...
afterall if you are not willing to put something where your mouth is, it does reveal much indeed
 
I accepted this challenge when i began seeing the lies being told about President Donald Trump
I have given reasonings,logic and facts and shared understanding with a clear biblical scripture within this thread!!

some people are plain ignorant and simply refuse to accept the truth...

This is not due to a medical condition on the brain or a language barrier.... it is better explained in these scriptures

Isaiah 6:10 “Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and blind their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.”

Zephaniah 1:17 “I will bring distress on mankind, so that they shall walk like the blind, because they have sinned against the Lord; their blood shall be poured out like dust, and their flesh like dung.”

Matthew 15:14 “Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

John 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”


the issue is one of spiritual health brought forward from incorrect thinking
It is the placebo effect resulting in believing what one believes

2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

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Your Faith in Trump is impressive.
Unfortunately just like most Believers your following a Cult Leader which is nothing but an obvious Liar.


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You keep bringing up "all the Lies against Trump" but so far I have not heard much Lies about him.
In Fact most of the Time when anything was said about him. He kept denying it for less than a Week before he Admitted it.
Most of the claims about him ended up True. And I am fairly certain the longer he is around the more of the claims against him will end up true.

He still has not published his Tax Returns which is like admitting that they are not Clean.
He did already admit that he told the Russians Secret Informations.
Despite being so big in telling people how the US Government is just some big lump of People giving Money to each other. He just went ahead Hiring his Family and Giving Contracts to his own Companies. And he even admitted by now that hes on purpose letting his Family and contractors benefit from his position.
He has even used State ressources to settle his Companies cases on Court and is not even attempting to hide it.

So mind telling me just what Lies are you talking about ? :)


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Yes. You for example. And its seriously ridiculous how you refuse to accept that Trump is a Criminal and a Buffoon.
its like your facing a Blue house. And your looking at it. And you say Oh hey nice Red House you got.....

And no. Its not a Medical Condition.
Its Fairly Simple Human Psychology.
Humans by default are conditioned to follow someone. And to defend that one they follow.
They are conditioned to "protect and trust" their group.
So most Humans instead of facing reality and judging things in a calm and neutral manner. Will influence themselves towards believing whatever their group does to be right.
And even if the entire remaining world tells em its wrong. They will rather believe in that few people rather than in anything else no matter how obvious or how watertight the evidence is against them.


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You just gotta Love the Bible Phrases they used to make sure that their sheep do not develop a free will or the sense to think for themselves.
Unfortunately quoting these phrases only proves your own Ignorance....


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Its not Spiritual Health issue either lol.
Its called Psychology. And your Psyche is the thing which is Conditioning your thinking here.
And Trump is just this Placebo which your talking about.
Because your Faith in him is so strong. That despite having no effect at all. You convince yourself that he is doing something...


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Another nice phrase from the Church which pretty much Translates into.
Do not think for yourself. Just follow my Orders.
The basic Doctrine in every Cult on this Planet. And funny but True each Single of them Claims that their God is the Mightiest and the one which is Right *gg*


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Isaiah 6:10 “Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and blind their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.”

Zephaniah 1:17 “I will bring distress on mankind, so that they shall walk like the blind, because they have sinned against Allah; their blood shall be poured out like dust, and their flesh like dung.”

Matthew 15:14 “Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

John 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”

2 Corinthians 10:5 "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of Allah, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Mohammed."



You get an Idea why I keep telling you that your the exactly same as ISIS ? *gg*
 
I put a wager challenge to you... based upon your own statements..

you refusing to accept the wager(see your previous posts), showed me your lack of confidence in what you speak...
afterall if you are not willing to put something where your mouth is, it does reveal much indeed

I don't gamble

Atheist here actually. I like sf and hate ignorance and fear.
I'm all about protecting the rights of others and peacekeeping.
 
And the religious gamble that they've picked the right one...

for Atheists to use the there is no god...
can be likened to a child saying... i am not the seed of any male..
or can be likened to a computer program... programmed to answer, i exist of my own creation, i am self programmed

both would be completely absurd on the surface... but true if they have self programmed themselves to believe such nonsense
 
Did your god tell you to be so smug and obnoxious, or were you born like that?

your question is truely an insight into both who you are, and what you believe
you hate both the message and the person who brings this message

If you dont like what you read... dont reply
 
Atheist's gamble that there is no God, which is the greater Gamble?

Easy. The greatest gamble is picking one from the tens of thousands of gods that have been worshipped, and deciding that this one is real and will reward me after death :D

Shouldn't you have more interesting deities to pick from anyway? Did all your pre-christianity Maori ancestors end up in hell en, despite never having even the chance to hear about Jesus? How unfair would that be? Eternal torture, for the crime of not being born elsewhere.
 
EDid all your pre-christianity Maori ancestors end up in hell en, despite never having even the chance to hear about Jesus? How unfair would that be? Eternal torture, for the crime of not being born elsewhere.

Of course they didn't all go to hell.

The ones who were under 18 couldn't go to hell. Think about it. Burning people, screaming, tortured beings wailing in horrific pain for all eternity while a naked demon puts a red hot poker up your jacksey? That's some pretty hardcore 18+ crap if it was on DVD. It'd be even worse in real, like a massive fettish version of Woodstock or something.

Can't go to hell unless you're over 18.
 
And the religious gamble that they've picked the right one...

That's brilliant! I had to check to see if Pascal had considered that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

There is another problem with that way of thinking. You can't force yourself to truly believe, and as God is omniscient, he will know of your doubt and damn you to Hell.

Maybe Trump is a test for true believers. He is on the Christian Right side but the stuff he is doing is pure evil. The Christian Right are tying themselves up in pretzels trying to justify his actions. If you follow the path of Trump then God will know that you do not follow the true path of enlightenment and you will spend an eternity of damnation and having a hot poker shoved up your bottom.
 
I accepted this challenge

You have not been challenged, by me.

You are responding to:
Except the challenge of Grammar?
( which was a joke referring to the errors in the Trump Government Advertisement. He's claiming that he can overcome any challenge, but he can't even spell right. You missed that because you cannot tell that there was anything wrong with the Advertisement, correct? And assumed that you have to "Accept" a challenge of some kind, but can't tell what for sure? Because phonetically, "Accept" sounds like "Except". And you have no context to explain the "Except". )

The word at the beginning is "Except" not "Accept". And it's not directed at you personally in any way whatsoever.

My intended meaning is being completely misinterpreted. You don't have to make any kind of defense.

I would just point out the obvious:

- Authoritarianism
- Religious Fundamentalism
- Errors of Grammar and Misinterpretation

--- Are all predicted by the theory.

If you have a vested interest in disproving it, you are -so far- not really making a good case. To be very clear, you are demonstrating all of the predictions. Similarly to the other Trump supporters I've met in person.

I think that the differences in human populations isn't so much "political" as they are biological.
You have labelled the differences "Theological".

In both situations, labeling the difference makes it easier for us both to adapt to the conflict.

I should just like to say this: it is a conflict of ideas. Not a conflict between people. I make no attack on you.
o7 Cmdr.
 
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Easy. The greatest gamble is picking one from the tens of thousands of gods that have been worshipped, and deciding that this one is real and will reward me after death :D

Shouldn't you have more interesting deities to pick from anyway? Did all your pre-christianity Maori ancestors end up in hell en, despite never having even the chance to hear about Jesus? How unfair would that be? Eternal torture, for the crime of not being born elsewhere.

i can honestly say, i do not know how the measure of mercy or judgement will be applied in respect of Pre-Christ knowledge

In Respect of Post-Christ knowledge-
The only unfairness that can be seen, is those who knew of Jesus Christ but choose to refuse his salvation, will be worse off.
for those who were presented the Gospel but refused, have no excuse because of their own admission of words. they have chosen to write themselves from the book of life. (this is not sealed until the human spirit gives up the ghost)
Those who knew nothing of Christ Jesus have an excuse, and therefore a different measure is applied

This is in one respect how a justice system should work.. in theory.. This would be considered the Law of Moses.. the Old Testament

The Justice system in respect of Jesus Christ laying his life down as a sacrifice for all mankind.. is the New Testament which can supercede the old testament.
If a man chooses not to call upon the help of Jesus, then he lays himself before the mercy of the Court... An Atheist can then argue all he wants

As it currently stands the Justice we understand.. is based upon what we know vs the crime.. and it is weighed accordingly. This is common knowledge

So i encourage you all.. to accept the Saviour Jesus Christ into your lives, and pay heed to your own words
God bless
 
You have not been challenged, by me.

You are responding to:
Except the challenge of Grammar?
( which was a joke referring to the errors in the Trump Government Advertisement. He's claiming that he can overcome any challenge, but he can't even spell right. You missed that because you cannot tell that there was anything wrong with the Advertisement, correct? And assumed that you have to "Accept" a challenge of some kind, but can't tell what for sure? Because phonetically, "Accept" sounds like "Except". And you have no context to explain the "Except". )

The word at the beginning is "Except" not "Accept". And it's not directed at you personally in any way whatsoever.

My intended meaning is being completely misinterpreted. You don't have to make any kind of defense.

I would just point out the obvious:

- Authoritarianism
- Religious Fundamentalism
- Errors of Grammar and Misinterpretation

--- Are all predicted by the theory.

If you have a vested interest in disproving it, you are -so far- not really making a good case. To be very clear, you are demonstrating all of the predictions. Similarly to the other Trump supporters I've met in person.

I think that the differences in human populations isn't so much "political" as they are biological.
You have labelled the differences "Theological".

In both situations, labeling the difference makes it easier for us both to adapt to the conflict.

I should just like to say this: it is a conflict of ideas. Not a conflict between people. I make no attack on you.
o7 Cmdr.

very clever!! you got me there. it seemed i was in defense mode.. to answer it without realising it was trickery!! lol
 
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for those who were presented the Gospel but refused, have no excuse because of their own admission of words.

Even in that case, God / Yahweh / Allah would have to be an utter sociopath to condemn people into eternal torture for not being convinced of the religious fairy tales. Even in the Christian narrative, we have been created as intelligent, thinking beings.

As such, I can say that the stories about Biblical creation and the horrible morality showcased throughout the Bible are not convincing in the least. There is nothing in the real world that would make a rational person believe that the Bible is true. That basically only happens through religious upbringing, and making people believe in this stuff from a small child.

So, if the world proved to be so insane as to have a literal after-death judgement by a God that demands fealty, that God would have to admit that it was perfectly reasonable not to believe in them based on the evidence to be had while alive.

So no. Keep your superstition, I'm not buying. You'd have more interesting options over there anyway, if you insist on dabbling in religion.
 
Even in that case, God / Yahweh / Allah would have to be an utter sociopath to condemn people into eternal torture for not being convinced of the religious fairy tales. Even in the Christian narrative, we have been created as intelligent, thinking beings.

As such, I can say that the stories about Biblical creation and the horrible morality showcased throughout the Bible are not convincing in the least. There is nothing in the real world that would make a rational person believe that the Bible is true. That basically only happens through religious upbringing, and making people believe in this stuff from a small child.

So, if the world proved to be so insane as to have a literal after-death judgement by a God that demands fealty, that God would have to admit that it was perfectly reasonable not to believe in them based on the evidence to be had while alive.

So no. Keep your superstition, I'm not buying. You'd have more interesting options over there anyway, if you insist on dabbling in religion.
what you may find suprising, is people who are of the various religion's and beliefs slowly come to the knowledge of Christ Jesus.
Ive even heard of Atheist's turning to Christ Jesus and becoming minister's of the gospel
There is hope for the world!! That is the essence of the Gospel.

John 3:16
16 [FONT=&quot]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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If all of mankind die.. what do you suppose the implication of perish means?
 
So i encourage you all.. to accept the Saviour Jesus Christ into your lives, and pay heed to your own words

Jesus Christ was a Middle-Eastern dissident of Western imperial occupation of Palestine. Had he been alive today he'd have been called a terrorist.

The fact he appears to mean so much to white anti-Arabic westerners is a matter of extreme cognitive dissonance.
 
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