I agree but Ill be waiting right by there on every update we get.
Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn
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I agree but Ill be waiting right by there on every update we get.
Yes, both of them. Got a theory or an idea on something?
I've arrived at Chi Persei Sector DQ-V C3-1. Sadly the only things in the system are two stars. Widening my search to surrounding systems.
Yeah there was about 0 chance that specific system was interesting. Would have been a hell of a lucky ballpark guess.
In terms of there being an infinite number of potential 3rd vertices describing an equilateral triangle, if you take the Skaudai-Blae line as an axis and then rotate along it the 3rd vertex would describe a circle. At elevation 120 that comes very close to the Soul Nebula. The upshot is if there's any merit to my line of reasoning the search volume should be a curved column that varies primarily in elevation, as you move higher in elevation you have to move a bit inwards in x and y. That calculator page is useful for double checking whether a particular x,y,z triplet describes a reasonable vertex in terms of being within at least an arc minute and preferably a few 10s of arc seconds of defining an equilateral triangle.
A few 10s of arc seconds is a useful criteria because that equates to a few LY at that distance which is sufficient precision to define a specific system (ie it's less than half the average stellar separation, toward the core it would not be sufficient precision)
I need to go back and check my notes. I think I have what is likely a more interesting locus for a search. That Chi Persei system is the vertex defined if you assume the mass of guardian sites is on the plane defined by the three vertices. Since they're not a proper centroid I see no reason to assume that. In short Chi Persei strikes me as being too low in elevation. I think it's more likely that the nebula themselves are interesting which means we need the point to be around 120 elevation which is the back side (when viewed from Sol) of the Soul Nebula.. I had identified that system but can't seem to put my hands on it's designation at the moment, I think I put it in one of the posts.
Quick Xfig mock up, hopefully the picture is worth at least 78 or so words, probably not worth 1000.
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They will be calibrated to detect the human-breathable atmosphere and call it "terraformed"; if an alien species breathe similar atmosphere to humans and "xenoform" a planet to suit their needs then our ship scanners will presumably report it as "terraformed". An alien race doesn't have to be totally dissimilar to humans.
So I was thinking, there are triangles and tetrahedral all over these ruins sites. That got me thinking about how the ancient civilizations mapped the stars using similar structures in Mexico and Egypt. I recall FD recently reworking the layout of the Ancient ruins. Maybe the ruins are a roadmap. The central structure of the most recent find appears to be a compass point in a direction. I'm wondering if instead of looking at this as a triangle and assume it's a tetrahedral we might find the final vertex near the top of the gal-map. Can someone get their maths on and find me the approx vertex for the tetrahedral? I am on my way back from A* and will stop at the region for a while to check it out.
I've been thinking along similar lines as well. I didn't end up at a tetrahedron but similar to the theory that the 3 primary Egyptian pyramids describe Orion's belt. I've been curious if the fixed structures of the sites are a road-map. In addition I suspect they should be taken together. I get the sense that they can be rotated and scaled and overlaid to make one unified image. (I'd love to get the alpha, beta, gamma base images used for Bifrost before the obelisks are added). For instance if you take the beta site, rotate it just over 90 degrees, stretch it about 10% it should fit over the lower portion of the Gamma site. So far I've mostly just stared at them waiting for something obvious to pop out. I'm only vaguely enthusiastic about it. Similar to the early investigations of the UP spectrogram last year without a reference point to start at and a key to decipher the image you basically get an unbounded set of hypotheses with little rigor.
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But an Earth like world doesn't appear as Terra formed, its just a similar planet to earth with similar atmosphere gravity etc.
The scanner will detect human terra forming activity as its programmed to know what to look for. It won't know what to look for if aliens did it.
If there was a planet that Aliens Terra Formed to be like Earth then the scanner would just pick it up to be an ELW and not know it was prior terra formed by aliens to be like it is.
I concur, it makes more sense in 3D space to use a 3D triangle/Pyramid/Tetrahedron.
I have no doubt that the layout is intentional. Ever site seems different. It might be a roadmap like connect the dots. Decoding the structures however will be difficult because as you've said there is no definite starting point. There are clusters of ruins and don't seem to be any organization within the clusters. The only way to accomplish figuring this out would be to not explore this new cluster but rather go back to the other sites and find something that points to this new site. There has to be order in this chaos. We just have to find it.
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If terraforming was complete, how would the scanner know the planet had been terraformed? Unless it can detect terraforming machinery of some kind or knew the past history of the planet's condition. I would think the possible conditions it could detect would be terraformable, terraforming in progress, or ELW (this is the human version, but alien terraforming options should be similar).
It makes the most sense. Obviously there are only two possibilities for this scenario, the missing point is either up or down. I just don't know the distances between the sites. If I get that and thier coordinates I can figure out the rest.
Was thinking about all that matter about ruins locations far from Regor sector, and thinking about Alpha pattern as a map of the network. Why is this design so different from the other two?. Now we have three points, a center and two known locations far from it. So I've been trying to align these three points without results. I'll keep trying to get a solution or discard this theory.
That's a valid point for scanners, but its been deemed a bug in game.
I'm talking in real terms as i believe you were with your first quoted statement, terraforming would be something any race would aim to do if it existed and had the knowledge (we have the idea of it, but not the knowledge) Not just humans. As said, terraforming as we know it is a method of changing an atmosphere of a planet to suit a specific lifeform. Regardless of what lifeforms and what method it uses to do it, we as humans know that method to be terraforming. Whatever word it may be in an alien language, it would still be terraforming to us regardless of the composition of the atmosphere post terraforming.
Therefore terraforming is not related to humans solely
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I agree you have a better descriptive sequence there. I've had a quick look on the first page of the terraforming thread https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/310601-Terraforming-Horror-Show but haven't yet found out how a scanner could detect that a planet had been terraformed, rather than just reporting it as an ELW.
But put that aside for a moment and consider that terraforming is the process of converting a planetary ecosystem from an uncomfortable/uninhabitable state to one that is comfortable for humans, probably at the expense of any native lifeform as happened in the early Empire. If an alien species had similar requirements to humans then I think our ship scanners would detect and report a "xenoformed" planet as "terraformed".
It seems to be a common view that aliens will be multi-limbed bug-eyed monsters that breathe ammonia. They might be, but then again it seems like our human physical construction has been driven by evolution and our planetary conditions. An alien race might evolve in similar conditions along similar evolutionary lines. That could form a true threat, because they would have similar requirements to humans, so would be in competition with us for resources and that is the basis of many conflicts. A bug-eyed multilimbed race breathing ammonia would not compete with us for the same resources so would be unlikely to pose such a strong threat.
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Can anyone confirm the distance between the new site and Skaudai is ~8400 Ly?
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