Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[evaldo10]

That is exactly my point! The ship's scanner will detect a planet that is now suitable for human life, somehow detect that the ecosystem has been artificially altered to make it so, and report it as "terraformed" because that is how it has been programmed by a human. It can't tell if the change to the planet's ecosystem has been done by humans or non-humans. All it can do is detect that the planet now has similar life conditions to Earth (Terra).

The only reason the scanner can tell if a planet has been terra formed is because it has been programmed to detect terra forming by humans.

If it was a case that the scanner is just picking up a similar atmosphere to Earth then the Scanner would just say its an ELW, Some ELW's are naturally like that and others have been terraformed to be like that. The Scanner is programmed to recognise if a planet has been terra formed or all Terra forming is official logged in the scanners central database and is only unlocked after it has been scanned ( due to the scanners data capacity ) Or when we Terraform a planet we leave a little beacon on the planet as a marker ( most likely scenario )

This can only mean that its impossible for the scanner to pick up terra forming or xeno forming from Alien cultures as its not programmed in their methods.

One more thing, Not once ever has the surface scanner ever picked up a terraformed world outside human space except once which was a bug.

None of the ruins sites or nearby planets came up as terraformed yet its likely the Guardians did use terraforming ( maybe too old now to recognise ).

Right now we only know of 2 space faring species in the galaxy, one was the Guardians ( likely extinct with possible AI remnants ) and the other the myth of the Thargoids of which details are sketchy.

We also know that the scanner needs to be programmed to find certain things r.e - Ram Tahs mod.

Its possible in the future with research into other species we find that we can then programme the scanner on the intricacies of their worlds.

 

[Han_Zen]

The only reason the scanner can tell if a planet has been terra formed is because it has been programmed to detect terra forming by humans.

If it was a case that the scanner is just picking up a similar atmosphere to Earth then the Scanner would just say its an ELW, Some ELW's are naturally like that and others have been terraformed to be like that. The Scanner is programmed to recognise if a planet has been terra formed or all Terra forming is official logged in the scanners central database and is only unlocked after it has been scanned ( due to the scanners data capacity ) Or when we Terraform a planet we leave a little beacon on the planet as a marker ( most likely scenario )

This can only mean that its impossible for the scanner to pick up terra forming or xeno forming from Alien cultures as its not programmed in their methods.

One more thing, Not once ever has the surface scanner ever picked up a terraformed world outside human space except once which was a bug.

None of the ruins sites or nearby planets came up as terraformed yet its likely the Guardians did use terraforming ( maybe too old now to recognise ).

Right now we only know of 2 space faring species in the galaxy, one was the Guardians ( likely extinct with possible AI remnants ) and the other the myth of the Thargoids of which details are sketchy.

We also know that the scanner needs to be programmed to find certain things r.e - Ram Tahs mod.

Its possible in the future with research into other species we find that we can then programme the scanner on the intricacies of their worlds.

But we stole the terraforming method form some aliens that left a relic on Mars.

 

[kenworth]

The only reason the scanner can tell if a planet has been terra formed is because it has been programmed to detect terra forming by humans.

If it was a case that the scanner is just picking up a similar atmosphere to Earth then the Scanner would just say its an ELW, Some ELW's are naturally like that and others have been terraformed to be like that. The Scanner is programmed to recognise if a planet has been terra formed or all Terra forming is official logged in the scanners central database and is only unlocked after it has been scanned ( due to the scanners data capacity ) Or when we Terraform a planet we leave a little beacon on the planet as a marker ( most likely scenario )

This can only mean that its impossible for the scanner to pick up terra forming or xeno forming from Alien cultures as its not programmed in their methods.

One more thing, Not once ever has the surface scanner ever picked up a terraformed world outside human space except once which was a bug.

None of the ruins sites or nearby planets came up as terraformed yet its likely the Guardians did use terraforming ( maybe too old now to recognise ).

Right now we only know of 2 space faring species in the galaxy, one was the Guardians ( likely extinct with possible AI remnants ) and the other the myth of the Thargoids of which details are sketchy.

We also know that the scanner needs to be programmed to find certain things r.e - Ram Tahs mod.

Its possible in the future with research into other species we find that we can then programme the scanner on the intricacies of their worlds.

After thinking about this a bit more, the DSS should be capable of differentiating terraforming from a naturally occurring ELW by examining the fossil records that give a long-term history of the planet's atmosphere. I mean, if it can determine the mineral composition down to a tenth of a percentage point, then surely it can determine historical atmospheric composition and "figure out" whether changes occurred naturally or otherwise to some degree.

 

[evaldo10]

After thinking about this a bit more, the DSS should be capable of differentiating terraforming from a naturally occurring ELW by examining the fossil records that give a long-term history of the planet's atmosphere. I mean, if it can determine the mineral composition down to a tenth of a percentage point, then surely it can determine historical atmospheric composition and "figure out" whether changes occurred naturally or otherwise to some degree.

The problem with that is that the scanner just detects minerals composition etc prob through radiation waves passing through the planet and wouldn't determine what is a fosill and what isn't a fossil, it can determine atmosphere but would not know the history of that atmosphere. How would the scanner determine if there was changes without a prior record of the atmosphere types ??

We know the planetary scanner cannot detect planetary objects unless its programmed to detect certain things ( though the Ram Tah mod etc )

Until its changed or reprogrammed we won't be able to determine alien life or alien ruins or alien artefacts or alien terra forming until we physically see it.

I think a good game mechanic would be that the Planetary scanner could pick up abnormalities, then we could do more research on an abnormalities and determine what it is. It would help a lot with exploring for new things.

 

[kenworth]

The problem with that is that the scanner just detects minerals composition etc prob through radiation waves passing through the planet and wouldn't determine what is a fosill and what isn't a fossil, it can determine atmosphere but would not know the history of that atmosphere. How would the scanner determine if there was changes without a prior record of the atmosphere types ??

I was thinking along the lines of the ice core drilling we do today to determine historical atmospheric composition. If the scanner could detect something like that and look for specific atmospheric change patterns over time, then possibly it could detect historical terraforming.

 

[evaldo10]

Is anyone at Eta Carina Blae ruins site, and has anyone checked for tech 6.

There are 3 sites here so if anyone wants to wing up and run through them to find tech 6 im here

 

[evaldo10]

I was thinking along the lines of the ice core drilling we do today to determine historical atmospheric composition. If the scanner could detect something like that and look for specific atmospheric change patterns over time, then possibly it could detect historical terraforming.

In that case we would need to take physical samples something the scanner cannot do.

Even in the case of a the scanner finding a candidate for terra forming its still just a candidate until a physical investigation is carried out.

The only way we could find out if a planet has been terraformed would be to find physical evidence of it occuring, once we found that evidence we could then programme the scanner to look for that sort of thing.

I should imagine in terms of human terraforming then the scanner has the historical data or the planet has a marker beacon that tells the scanner its been terra formed.

Having said that in 1000 years you would expect scanners and such to be a lot better than what we actually have in game, its something that I have mentioned before.

I should imagine a lot of the stuff we have in game is there to make gameplay immersive as in the future we would probably have some sort of AI doing everything for us and weapons that could destroy ships in an area in an instant. A lot of the tech ingame is suited to 80's scifi.

 

[ArchEmperor]

In that case we would need to take physical samples something the scanner cannot do.

Even in the case of a the scanner finding a candidate for terra forming its still just a candidate until a physical investigation is carried out.

The only way we could find out if a planet has been terraformed would be to find physical evidence of it occuring, once we found that evidence we could then programme the scanner to look for that sort of thing.

I should imagine in terms of human terraforming then the scanner has the historical data or the planet has a marker beacon that tells the scanner its been terra formed.

Having said that in 1000 years you would expect scanners and such to be a lot better than what we actually have in game, its something that I have mentioned before.

I should imagine a lot of the stuff we have in game is there to make gameplay immersive as in the future we would probably have some sort of AI doing everything for us and weapons that could destroy ships in an area in an instant. A lot of the tech ingame is suited to 80's scifi.

Any data from a scanner may get corrupted. That is why you ALWAYS need boots on the ground for any serious exploration attempts.

The data need to be confirmed and verified. Tested and applied. Then you need to secure it in omni databases that can be reached throughout the galaxy.

Every step is an exploration sequence of its own. It is so much data and so much things to discover.

 

[iamf1]

Was passing through the Vela dark region just now and may have stumbled upon some undiscovered alien ruins.

System name is Vela Dark Region WT-R B4-3

Planet B1 contains 1 ruin
Planet B2 contains 2 ruins

Both planets came up as undiscovered on my system map

Is there some kind of list I can check this against?

 

[evaldo10]

Any data from a scanner may get corrupted. That is why you ALWAYS need boots on the ground for any serious exploration attempts.

The data need to be confirmed and verified. Tested and applied. Then you need to secure it in omni databases that can be reached throughout the galaxy.

Every step is an exploration sequence of its own. It is so much data and so much things to discover.

Exactly

 

[Unbreakable]

In the year 3033, new magical science was used with super secret tech from beyond the void of Raxxla to improve existing scanner modules to be able to detect subtle hints of terraforming on scanned planets.

yay i just solved the scanner mystery! so any word from those new ruins on T6?

 

[Patau82]

Was passing through the Vela dark region just now and may have stumbled upon some undiscovered alien ruins.

System name is Vela Dark Region WT-R B4-3

Planet B1 contains 1 ruin
Planet B2 contains 2 ruins

Both planets came up as undiscovered on my system map

Is there some kind of list I can check this against?

Yes here http://ruins.canonn.technology

Looks like a new site well done!

 

[iamf1]

Yes here http://ruins.canonn.technology

Looks like a new site well done!

I would like to say that I was looking for ruin sites specifically but in all honesty I wasn't, I literally chose a system to travel to at random and this system happened to be on my route.

I would have stayed and scanned but I lost my SRV a few hundred light years back.

Either way I hope it helps towards solving the mystery.

 

[evaldo10]

I would like to say that I was looking for ruin sites specifically but in all honesty I wasn't, I literally chose a system to travel to at random and this system happened to be on my route.

I would have stayed and scanned but I lost my SRV a few hundred light years back.

Either way I hope it helps towards solving the mystery.

Nice find x

 

[evaldo10]

In the year 3033, new magical science was used with super secret tech from beyond the void of Raxxla to improve existing scanner modules to be able to detect subtle hints of terraforming on scanned planets.

yay i just solved the scanner mystery! so any word from those new ruins on T6?

No T6 at Blae, going to check the area

 

[Nick Sticks]

Was passing through the Vela dark region just now and may have stumbled upon some undiscovered alien ruins.

System name is Vela Dark Region WT-R B4-3

Planet B1 contains 1 ruin
Planet B2 contains 2 ruins

Both planets came up as undiscovered on my system map

Is there some kind of list I can check this against?

Good find.
I was close so I've swung by.
I bet Hendrik Vanderdecke wishes he had scanned all of the planets in that system now.
Still it's easier to spot ruins these days.
.

 

[Factabulous]

If someone could report the new ruins via the canonn tool it would be good (I guess you need an srv to count obelisks so the OP can't do it)


Edit: and congrats to iamf1

 

[Ibastavd]

Is anyone at Eta Carina Blae ruins site, and has anyone checked for tech 6.

There are 3 sites here so if anyone wants to wing up and run through them to find tech 6 im here

I'm in the UK and I'm happy to come along... CMDR Ibastavd

 

[Ibastavd]

Was passing through the Vela dark region just now and may have stumbled upon some undiscovered alien ruins.

System name is Vela Dark Region WT-R B4-3

Planet B1 contains 1 ruin
Planet B2 contains 2 ruins

Both planets came up as undiscovered on my system map

Is there some kind of list I can check this against?

Change of plan off to here now!

 

[Murleen]

If you really want to poke around out there I'd suggest starting around EAFOTS BP-I B23-1. It's about even with the bottom of the Soul Nebula and its coordinates are a valid equilateral triangle 3rd vertex solution to about 30 arcseconds (it's about 2LY too far west and south) for that elevation. plus it's not in EDSM. I've scanned in galmap at higher elevations up to the top of Soul and didn't find a star with a closer mathematical fit. The rest are out by 5+ LY. Admittedly unless they physically placed a star that's about as close as one could hope. At a guess, given an arc along that area of valid solutions, there's probably 20'ish stars within 10LY of the line.

I've had a look here, but while there are a few landable bodies, none seem to have any ruins sites on. I'll try a few other systems nearby, then probably look around in the Soul nebula.