The Egg at the Roof of the Galaxy

[EtherealCereal]

Let it be known that on this day, 1 June 3303, I, CMDR EtherealCereal (flying as Johannes Krauser II) and CMDR Taen, have reached a system that is 3,329ly above the galactic plane.

Taen initially found the system and, using advanced plotting techniques, we were both able to carefully map out a course that would take us here. The only major hurdle towards getting to our destination was utilizing the neutron double-boost, which required a fair bit of practice on my part, as well as a little bit of luck. Despite Taen being a seasoned double-booster, this one in particular still made him sweat. Just a little bit.

When we arrived at the system just before our final destination, we found naught but a single O class star, all alone with no systems around it within 200 light years. This was our chance to turn back, because pressing further meant a one-way trip.

Left to right: Taen in the Petunia IV, and myself in the Neue Regel.

Awfully lonely up here...

We waited a day, preparing ourselves mentally and physically for what we knew would be suicide. But with a goal in our hearts and in our minds, we finally began our final trek.

Credit for the above goes to CMDR Taen. 'Fuel scoops? Where we're going we don't need fuel scoops.'

Finally, with our countdowns having completed and our jumps underway, we arrived at our destination, 3,329 light years above the galactic plane.

Spoiler

http://www.elitegalaxyonline.com/system-view/?system_id=61614
https://www.edsm.net/en/system/id/12944806/name/Seamaa+AA-A+h3

The system, as shown by Elite Galaxy Online and Elite Dangerous Star Map (a big thanks to CMDRs Wolzan and Anthor for all the hard work they do, not to mention all the custodians and benefactors who make these sites amazing!).

Finally, after careful deliberation we've decided we're going to call this system 'Sunny Side Up.'

This is CMDR EtherealCereal signing out. Next you hear from us, our pods will have been picked up and spirited away, back to our respective safe points.

 

[Redfox]

Lovely. Great work, CMDRs!

 

[Corbin Moran]

+1 Virtual Rep - Hope you enjoy the view up there

Looks like this is one for the records...

 

[EtherealCereal]

So, as a close to the day's events we decided to go out with a bang, to represent the amount of fun and excitement we've had over the course of this venture.

Thought it would be appropriate to fly into the Herbig. We let the heat from the star fry our internal components and charged up the FSD to help us along. Taen caught this one, the Neue Regel going up in a spectacular fireball. Now to rename my ship to the Neue Regel II and be off once again into the void.

http://imgur.com/a/51HrC

The imgur album, if anyone is curious

 

[Gradis]

nice job guys

 

[Guy De Lombard]

great work ! [up]

 

[marx]

Congratulations on your effort! Interesting to see how the galaxy looks from even farther up.

Looks like this is one for the records...

This might be unpopular, but because of the double-boosting, I don't think it should be included as a legitimate record. It wouldn't be fair to explorers who'll come after that bug is finally fixed, and the system will be unreachable. Unless FD will say that double-boosting was an unintended thing that will actually stay, that is.

 

[Corbin Moran]

Congratulations on your effort! Interesting to see how the galaxy looks from even farther up.


This might be unpopular, but because of the double-boosting, I don't think it should be included as a legitimate record. It wouldn't be fair to explorers who'll come after that bug is finally fixed, and the system will be unreachable. Unless FD will say that double-boosting was an unintended thing that will actually stay, that is.

Fair enough. I think we will simply add it with all the information about how it was reached.

 

[Professor. Java]

Gentlemen,

In order to not record this feat by CMDR Ethereal and CMDR Taen you need to decide whether you recognise a 'defect' that Frontier themselves have not acknowledged, players have taken it upon themselves to decide they have the power to decide what's intended and what isn't.

You should at least record the previous system, thank you for mapping the results of their endeavour.

If and when, the alleged 'Defect' appears in the bug tracker, you might consider removing the feat.

These explorers are fairly prominent, and you may dismay them from making further discoveries with repeats such as this.

Thank you for considering my opinion.

Professor. Java (Software Engineer)

 

[Professor. Java]

Double post.

 

[Professor. Java]

Test

Double post

 

[Professor. Java]

Double post

 

[TheJavaMagician]

Acknowledge

Thank you for acknowledging the work of these two prominent explorers,

I'd like to raise the point that the 'double jump' issue is not acknowledged by frontier who have displayed no interest in resolving what players have alleged is a bug.

If the issue is placed on the bug tracker and Frontier Developments display an interest in resolving or changing the mechanic, then you could consider removing the record.

Until then however please consider that these two explorers have used entirely legitimate means and may be put off further discoveries if you set the dangerous precedent of disallowing records based on player opinion.

These gentlemen have legitimately placed a record which is not only difficult but time consuming to say the least, you should recognise their achievements.

Thank you for your time.

 

[decemberance]

Very nice!!

+1 Cmdr

 

[Taen]

This might be unpopular, but because of the double-boosting, I don't think it should be included as a legitimate record. It wouldn't be fair to explorers who'll come after that bug is finally fixed, and the system will be unreachable. Unless FD will say that double-boosting was an unintended thing that will actually stay, that is.

The initial 200% range of a neutron was a bug that was ultimately made into a feature. But I have yet to find anywhere referencing double boosting as a bug. Can you point to me where FDev said this, or provide your reasoning as to why you consider it a bug?

 

[marx]

But I have yet to find anywhere referencing double boosting as a bug. Can you point to me where FDev said this, or provide your reasoning as to why you consider it a bug?

Sure. Everywhere where FD have talked about FSD supercharging back when they introduced the feature, they always talked about singular times, never bringing up the possibility of a double jump even when it would have been entirely relevant. For some good examples, see the dev posts in this thread. I say it's a bug because a single NS/WD was intended to give a one-time boost, and you have to break the regular sequence of events to get the double-boost. It's not the same as the too large boost back in the beta(!) was just due to a typo.

Of course, if Frontier will say that they won't fix this bug, then setting that as a record is fair to everyone. What I said was that if double-boosting is fixed in the future and will no longer be possible to do, then it'll be unfair for newer players to have a record be an unreachable system.

@ Java (Professor and Magician): Welcome to the forums! Unfortunately, there is no public bug tracker for Elite, at least none that I know of. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
As Corbin Moran, one of the admins for the Galactic Mapping Project, wrote, they'll record this with mentioning that double-boosting was used to achieve these, so I don't think you need to be afraid that they won't be recorded.

 

[Taen]

Sure. Everywhere where FD have talked about FSD supercharging back when they introduced the feature, they always talked about singular times, never bringing up the possibility of a double jump even when it would have been entirely relevant. For some good examples, see the dev posts in this thread. I say it's a bug because a single NS/WD was intended to give a one-time boost, and you have to break the regular sequence of events to get the double-boost. It's not the same as the too large boost back in the beta(!) was just due to a typo.

Of course, if Frontier will say that they won't fix this bug, then setting that as a record is fair to everyone. What I said was that if double-boosting is fixed in the future and will no longer be possible to do, then it'll be unfair for newer players to have a record be an unreachable system.

I see nothing in that thread that gives an opinion one way or the other, and you're reading an awful lot into that. It's fair to have the opinion that you do, but suggesting that it's a bug when no such bug has been disclosed is misleading. You can assume that it will be disclosed and fixed at some point, and that's fine. But without official word from FDev, it should be considered a part of the game. The best solution, and I believe that this is what is being done, is to disclose how the system was reached. If at some point the feature is removed, then the record can be expunged along with any others that involved using a double boost. I would support that in the interest of fairness.

Edit: Apparently The Java Magician more or less wrote the same thing.

 

[Corbin Moran]

If and when, the alleged 'Defect' appears in the bug tracker, you might consider removing the feat.

Im not really sure who you are adressing with this post? If it is the Galactic Mapping Project, I think you are misreading my earlier statement?

 

[marx]

I see nothing in that thread that gives an opinion one way or the other, and you're reading an awful lot into that. It's fair to have the opinion that you do, but suggesting that it's a bug when no such bug has been disclosed is misleading. You can assume that it will be disclosed and fixed at some point, and that's fine. But without official word from FDev, it should be considered a part of the game.

Sorry, but I'm not suggesting it's a bug, but I'm saying it. Ever since they first showcased what was then a concept during the livestream, Frontier have always said that FSD supercharging is intended to give a one-time boost. Unfortunately, they made some programming errors, which have led to the unintended effect of being able to get two boosts from the same star. That was, to be best of my knowledge, never an intended feature in the design. As such, it's a bug.
If you say that functionality which was unintended and runs contrary to parts of the intended design of a gameplay mechanic is a feature, and not a bug, then I'm afraid we're working with different definitions of the terms.

This was why I said that double-boosting is a bug. I think I've explained it, and my earlier point, clearly enough by now, so my explaining it further would be a moot point. Like I said, my concern was that utilising this flaw might not be possible in the future, which would mean there would be a record that's not possible to reproduce, let alone beat. Looking back on it now, I think that using the phrase "legitimate record" was unfortunate there, so for that, I apologize. (Bear in mind, English is not my first language.) It would have been illegitimate if you used third-party exploits, which you didn't.
Like Corbin Moran has said, the record will be noted as having utilised double-boosting, and I think the matter is settled well with that.

 

[Corbin Moran]

Like Corbin Moran has said, the record will be noted as having utilised double-boosting, and I think the matter is settled well with that.

This is how it will be handled in the Galactic Mapping Project map entry. As for the EDSM list of records it is Anthors call (I dont even know if it is possible to add a note and description there...)