No.
The fault lies with an inability for people, on all sides of this "conflict", to accept others who are not like them.
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No.
The fault lies with an inability for people, on all sides of this "conflict", to accept others who are not like them.
All the damn time.
Getting on a coach, seeing a lot of obviously Muslim guys getting on, and seeing their baggage getting stowed underneath, knowing if any of those bags contain a bomb it'll send shards of coach floor flying through me. Then wishing they weren't getting on the coach.
It takes self awareness to admit it, and courage to defy it.
With all this going on, does anyone find themselves being accidentally racist?
Most of the time I'm completely fine with anyone around me.
But occasionally, I just see someone who's likely a Muslim, who also looks a bit "shifty", and I'm like "nope" and take a wide birth.
I also do the same for anyone wearing a track suit, who isn't exercising.
And anyone holding a leaflet.
(It takes me an awful long time to navigate around a city centre!)
I don't even mean too, it's just subconscious or something.
Anyone else find they do this?
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
Yeah, I have this with men with beards.
Turns out most of them are hipsters.
Don't know what scares me more though, jihadis or hipsters...
Now to be clear, I like to think I am a tolerant person and I know I have no issues with the colour of people's skin or what religion they are. So....
Yes there is an argument that Islam has a political purpose in that at the root it would like to be the majority (if not exclusive) world religion. No I am not saying it is true, just repeating a belief that is held. When you consider that Christians sought to "save the souls" of unbelievers by sending out missionaries to convert the populations of the world, there is no argument that can therefore say that Islam should not be allowed to do the same. Whether there is actually a underlying plot to form a worldwide "caliphate" under Sharia, is for the tin-foil hat brigade.
In order to preserve their religion, many immigrants have actively rejected assimilation into "western ways" by maintaining the cultural norms of their homelands, which can be most clearly seen in the prevalence of ethnic minority female's widespread use of their "homeland's" (even if they are second or later generation immigrants) dress style. Now I'm a Jock but if I started wandering about in highland dress all the time people would think I was a nutter - but there is no reason why I should be barred from doing so and there is no reason that people from other cultural backgrounds shouldn't be allowed to dress how they like. I just use the example as an indicator of non-assimilation into western tenets. This is not limited to Islamic populations, the same can be seen from other backgrounds.
There are a lot of arguments that are made to denigrate Islam, including the violent actions referred to by Herbrand. However, Islam declared that peoples who were "of the book" were not infidels and disbelievers and shared a "community of faith" - this includes Jews and Christians - how that has withered to the current state I don't know.
I wouldn't say that Brexit has any relevance to Islamic extremist outrages, yes there was a lot of xenophobic nonsense after it but a lot of it was aimed at the European peoples in England, in particular Polish people. After all, the reason that UKIP roused "white van man" against the EU was the perceived prevalence of Eastern Europeans in the workforce "taking our jobs". The disastrous military interventions in the middle-east and the historical betrayal by the UK of the Arab peoples post WWII are why we are targeted, not because we want to leave the EU or "control immigration".
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Don't try to get cute, Islam is a religion, and very strongly associated with darker skin / people from the Middle East/Africa/Indian subcontinent. Trying to pretend racism isn't involved in Islamophobia will not fly.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/28/butcher-hit-by-petrol-bomb-in-latest-racist-incident-5971947/
[video=youtube;SFjfbL1KWNI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFjfbL1KWNI[/video]
Yes I didn't say it didn't happen, I just pointed out that a lot of it was directed at other than Islamic peoples. Islamic terror attacks in the UK pre-date Brexit, to assume Brexit is the source of Islamic fundamentalism is naive. It wouldn't help, I suppose - so maybe I should have written "I wouldn't say that Brexit has much relevance".
I should point out that I have a lot of friends and colleagues from the South-Asian community and they were ALL (no exceptions) rabid LEAVE supporters.
EDIT - BTW, why did the Metro stop having the Nemi cartoons?
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Eternal London, even during panic. Terrorists islamics, London drinks a beer to celebrate your future extermination
21 wounded persons are in a critical state. And if among them, some people do not die in the next days, they will remain doubtless severely handicaped for the life
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I'm really glad that the allies make surgical strikes when they bomb in Syria and Iraq. Certainly, they make dozens of civilian deaths for the collateral damage, but the death toll is greatly reduced
Regardless of my belief that the usual western countries have opened the door for extremism in the ME, Islam in general has some serious questions to face within its own communities. It should be stated by its leaders, particularly in the west, that those that choose to convert from Islam or not practice are free to do so without retribution. The treatment of women should be equal to that of men in relation to all social norms, ie. work, education, rights, dress etc. The separation of the sexes at events and such, should not be tolerated in western democracies for religious reasons. The secular nature of western society should be paramount.
Islam has to enter the modern age in the west, intolerant forms should not be tolerated. If you live in a modern western democracy, then just as the government has a social contract to provide social services, education and safety for its citizens, then that should be reciprocate by the citizen to obey the laws of the land and equality for all. If the idea of equality for all is unpalatable for such people, then they have no place in a western democracy and should accommodated in their quick return to countries aligned with their thinking.
There should be zero tolerance or accommodation for such thinking.
Islam has to enter the modern age in the west, intolerant forms should not be tolerated. If you live in a modern western democracy, then just as the government has a social contract to provide social services, education and safety for its citizens, then that should be reciprocate by the citizen to obey the laws of the land and equality for all. If the idea of equality for all is unpalatable for such people, then they have no place in a western democracy and should accommodated in their quick return to countries aligned with their thinking.
There should be zero tolerance or accommodation for such thinking.
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Wahhabism won't ever adhere to the Western culture.
verminstar
Banned
Ye mean those with low IQ? Yer own words I believe...charmed I'm sure.
The reason fer much of the tension rests with people like you who shut down all discussions with pointless accusations of racism. Always the same tired old lines from those who are blinded by their own arrogance...it's this politically correct nonsense that is the reason. Sooner some people wake up and smell their own , the quicker we can get this sorted ^
No doubt, you talk about France
verminstar
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Ye wanna beat them? Same tactics as were used against republicans and loyalists here...dont go after them specifically, go after their support base...the fringe elements tolerated by society. turn the thumbscrews on them to give up information...sweeten the deal with bribes.
Thats how terrorism was beaten in ulster. In the end the IRA were so heavily infiltrated and compromised that they had no choice but to call a ceasefire. Same with loyalism after they cut off the cash supply and brought an end to the backroom deals done with politicians to starve them of cashflow. In the end, neither side could fart without both governments knowing about it.
Its not pretty and its certainly not very politically correct...but it is effective. Its a war of attrition...fought over decades not days and months ^
Thats how terrorism was beaten in ulster. In the end the IRA were so heavily infiltrated and compromised that they had no choice but to call a ceasefire. Same with loyalism after they cut off the cash supply and brought an end to the backroom deals done with politicians to starve them of cashflow. In the end, neither side could fart without both governments knowing about it.
Its not pretty and its certainly not very politically correct...but it is effective. Its a war of attrition...fought over decades not days and months ^
Accepting a retrograde culture, discriminatory against the women and refusing the freedom of though, is very difficult for an advanced and sophisticated culture like that of the Westerners
An interesting little tale, but one that omits the necessary detail that the IRA (and to some extent the loyalist paramilitaries too) only became significant as a result of thumbscrew tactics. At the start of the troubles, the IRA consisted of a couple of dozen old men with rusty rifles buried in their gardens. Not really very effective at all...
In any case, there is no need to procrastinate. We are on Western Christian lands. The musulmans are welcome among us. Those who do not accept our way of life must leave and return to the land of Islam. They must not challenge us, they must not try to impose their culture, they must submit to their host country (or of birth)
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I was unaware that France was a theocracy.
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