Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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Thatchinho

Thatchinho
publicstaticvoid said:
Well I believe sol is 0,0,0 so it might have to be converted to A* being 0,0,0. And light speed is universal
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Yeah, Sol is 0,0,0 for us. Could indeed be Sag A for theirs, but could be their homeworld used as the zero point too - might offer a route to trilaterating where it is!

And yeah, lightspeed is universal, but you need to convert that speed into distances for the co-ordinates. The time measure used to do so could be anything.

Might be worth trying the distance conversion factor used for the UPs/UAs & seeing if that gives anything useful.
 

publicstaticvoid

publicstaticvoid
Thatchinho said:
Yeah, Sol is 0,0,0 for us. Could indeed be Sag A for theirs, but could be their homeworld used as the zero point too - might offer a route to trilaterating where it is!

And yeah, lightspeed is universal, but you need to convert that speed into distances for the co-ordinates. The time measure used to do so could be anything.

Might be worth trying the distance conversion factor used for the UPs/UAs & seeing if that gives anything useful.
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So after reading through all the data derived from the sites I think you are correct. While undoubtedly language can be explained numerically it is best to devise a translation manual. Unfortunately this does mean that any data contained in the glyph are awaiting further 'language' discovery. The glyphs are apparently derived from the world around them, like the glyph for moon is said to be derived by the moon rising and falling on thier homeworld. It's almost impossible to derive that with single color 36 pixels where the moon is represented by the motion of the pixels. There are 2^36 possible words these glyphs can mathematically achieve.

The data also states that not only does a glyph represent a word but how it manifests in the context of other glyphs adds additional meaning to the glyph. As much as I would love to be able to sit here for hours on end working towards a solution I fear this one is a dead end for the time being. I could model the words in a binary form and even represent the transformations. But ultimately you still need to know what each glyph truly means in order to unlock the meaning. The equivalence is A ^ B = C where the value A is a binary representation of the word. The Boolean operation ^ and value B represents the operation required to derive the true meaning C. However without knowing what A and B are C (the ultimate meaning) can never be derived.
 
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publicstaticvoid

publicstaticvoid
Okay guys, sorry to bug you with another post but I think I have had a Eureka moment with the Guardian ruins. A true eureka moment, not a thought. SO my buddy Kris is high as a kite right now and thought it would be a good idea to ask him for an 'abstract' opinion to a situation. I asked him: 'Imagine that you are in a far away country where no one speaks your native language and can't move. They are speaking to you in a foreign language. How do you figure out what the hell they are saying?" He responded, "I'm going to assume/hope you can use your eyes, so you look at an object and keep repeating your word for it, until they start repeating their word for it then you can start building the language." That got me thinking... How do you communicate with the guardian network and tell them your word? The entire basis of this thought experiment was to figure out how to decode the Relic information found here -> https://ixalon.github.io/elitedangerous/

If you haven't guess already we have quite a few items that can elicit a response and patterns from the obelisk. :)

Urn... Totem... Casket... Tablet... Orb...

So how do you decipher their meaning? Well, Each glyph is constructed of 36 different lights, each light is either on or off (1/0) and has many different sequences meaning we can represent this data with binary. There is also a 3rd glyph on the obelisk which i suspect is the AND operation. After all in order to scan the obelisk and decode the data you need to have 'X' AND 'Y' in your cargo hold. Once we figure that out we might be able to begin decoding the relic data found here https://ixalon.github.io/elitedangerous/

:D Please thoughts!
 
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
CMDR CRUZ said:
Correction: 29582730158 base 10 = DL8SKOE base 36 (still Greek to me) :)
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One possible hypothesis might be that the code represents the location of all Guardian bases. We have a hundred of those figured out so that might give you a helping hand. While the Guardians having a different naming system in RL would be valid, this is a game after all; and who's to say who/which race originally named the galaxy? ;)
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Han_Zen said:
Always good to check. I've been wrong before. :D
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What's the description of the Unknown Link that we're looking for & where to find it? We have a "link" being set up between flowerships and what we have been happily calling barnacles. Could this "refuelling" link be it, and the barneys be some form of crash site?? (Tinfoilimg here I know, but this thought about the word Link struck me yesterday & having slept on it hasn't gone away). Can the "refuelling" beam be interrogated by the ship data link scanner to give a data packet??
 
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
chagnampra said:
Don't know if this means anything (other than a bug) but I was flying in my Corvette around Maia in supercruise earlier - looking for a distress call threat 0 USS - when I suddenly suffered module damage. There was no warning, just a confirmation message: "( ) internal damage". I remained in supercruise and checked my modules - there was massive damage throughout my ship! I had not been interdicted and had not left supercruise. Weird... It could be nothing but a bug, but I am curious to see if anyone else has experienced this. It happened close to Palin's base planet.

CMDR Ed Geiger
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Think someone yesterday made a comment about sudden inexplicable damage. Raise a bug report and see how the response goes. Do you have video evidence?
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Thatchinho said:
Need to convert for distance units. Ours use lightyears, theirs would be something else. Could be anything.
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Might be in relation to something Guardian to avoid the units problem, like the UP reports wrt Merope5C
(& in hindsight I think that very fact tells us the UP are alien rather than man made).
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
publicstaticvoid said:
Okay guys, sorry to bug you with another post but I think I have had a Eureka moment with the Guardian ruins. A true eureka moment, not a thought. SO my buddy Kris is high as a kite right now and thought it would be a good idea to ask him for an 'abstract' opinion to a situation. I asked him: 'Imagine that you are in a far away country where no one speaks your native language and can't move. They are speaking to you in a foreign language. How do you figure out what the hell they are saying?" He responded, "I'm going to assume/hope you can use your eyes, so you look at an object and keep repeating your word for it, until they start repeating their word for it then you can start building the language." That got me thinking... How do you communicate with the guardian network and tell them your word? The entire basis of this thought experiment was to figure out how to decode the Relic information found here -> https://ixalon.github.io/elitedangerous/

If you haven't guess already we have quite a few items that can elicit a response and patterns from the obelisk. :)

Urn... Totem... Casket... Tablet... Orb...

So how do you decipher their meaning? Well, Each glyph is constructed of 36 different lights, each light is either on or off (1/0) and has many different sequences meaning we can represent this data with binary. There is also a 3rd glyph on the obelisk which i suspect is the AND operation. After all in order to scan the obelisk and decode the data you need to have 'X' AND 'Y' in your cargo hold. Once we figure that out we might be able to begin decoding the relic data found here https://ixalon.github.io/elitedangerous/

:D Please thoughts!
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Seems a good working hypothesis!
 

OBYOZ

OBYOZ
Can someone post a link to the descriptions for all the oblisk data, I would like to read about the history, biology etc.

Got some spare timeand thought I'd give it a read from the start, but i cannot find a link to it.

Thanks
 

BL1P

BL1P
Some more UP stuff :-


Clean UP sounds when honked (also shows you cant be in external camera and get the Honk effect)
[video=youtube;CgjXdFii1Hg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgjXdFii1Hg[/video]

Honking a UP on planet surface recorded from the SRVs with a friend, Fun effects shown from the UP. (Old guys using TS, you were warned :) )
[video=youtube;kIW58Rdu3oI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIW58Rdu3oI[/video]

Just some fun Nothing special 1UP, 1UA, 1Relic, 1 Occupied Escape Pod. As offerings at a Barnacle. (1st second is because of HighRes screenshot)
[video=youtube;MQMlF8k5V0g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQMlF8k5V0g[/video]
 

Erid

Erid
publicstaticvoid said:
So how do you decipher their meaning? Well, Each glyph is constructed of 36 different lights, each light is either on or off (1/0) and has many different sequences meaning we can represent this data with binary. There is also a 3rd glyph on the obelisk which i suspect is the AND operation. After all in order to scan the obelisk and decode the data you need to have 'X' AND 'Y' in your cargo hold. Once we figure that out we might be able to begin decoding the relic data found here https://ixalon.github.io/elitedangerous/

:D Please thoughts!
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I tried a lot of stuff. Just interesting what path you will use.
 
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