General / Off-Topic I think we need another thread about American politics.

[Robin of Spiritwood]

The US : " If we outlaw all Muslims, there won't be any attacks"
The UK: " if we outlaw all guns, the attackers will be weak and easy to kill"

One of these is succeeding. But both are false. Guns get brought in illegally. Normal citizens get converted.

Can't we fight the idiots causing the problem, instead of flogging our own foolish ideas?

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Yes.
Because the President of AmeriKKK-a has tweeted lying insults to his ally on the day they got attacked.

Picking a side has never been easier.

Why was this necessary?

 

[lysan]

Yes.
Because the President of AmeriKKK-a has tweeted lying insults to his ally on the day they got attacked.

Picking a side has never been easier.

for you maybe, and then there are the rest of us

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

I accept that you have a problem with the bad guys rather than all Muslims, but can you understand that Trump's ban will do nothing
.

The ban will be ineffective internally to stop attacks.
However, its external effect is to inform countries on the Arabian peninsula which ones Trump will back.

That polarizes the Sunni - Shia "war" further, which will worsen relations in the Arab world, and generate many more irregular fighters. The operational constraint previously was that they fight proxy wars instead of hot ones. That might change if one side figures it has a monopoly on US support for Trumps tenure.

If their intel is ANY good, they would know that he might get impeached in 2 years.

Therefore the window to win a hot war is small. Making it much more likely to happen sooner.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Why was this necessary?

The attacks on Khan are racist in nature.

Trump has a long history, going back to the Central Park Five, of attacking minorities. That has bought him political support within his nation, and is destroying the US UK alliance today.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

for you maybe, and then there are the rest of us

Yeah.
It must be SO difficult.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

The attacks on Khan are racist in nature.

Trump has a long history, going back to the Central Park Five, of attacking minorities. That has bought him political support within his nation, and is destroying the US UK alliance today.

Oh, I see. Calling someone out for being snively and pusillanimous is racist? Doesn't he also have a long history of attacking majority members as well? But we'll just cut those metrics out to suit our needs, yeah?

Anyway, I don't know how it works in the UK - maybe the mayor of London carries a lot of weight. Mayors in the United States can go jump in a lake.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Oh, I see. Calling someone out for being snively and pusillanimous is racist? Doesn't he also have a long history of attacking majority members as well? But we'll just cut those metrics out to suit our needs, yeah?

Anyway, I don't know how it works in the UK - maybe the mayor of London carries a lot of weight. Mayors in the United States can go jump in a lake.

C'mon Vin.
You can't tell that the Birther King is a racist?

He LIED about what Khan said. Why would he do that? Gimme a plausible reason other than racism.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

C'mon Vin.
You can't tell that the Birther King is a racist?

Let's come back to it. I had one of those "should I be discussing this?" moments. Better if I pick this up when I get home.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe I'm the only one who sees the racism. So I googled "Racist Trump" and got drowned in links.

A narrower search including "Khan" gave this, related to London-

On a very basic level, Trump's tweets are highly distasteful. They also give the appearance of being racist

- CNN
International

www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/06/04...-brown-and-muslim-mayor-is-racially-motivated

Trump's racist attack is even more brazen when you consider this: he hasn't made a single comment from his personal Twitter account about the two people stabbed to death in Portland, Oregon by a man threatening the lives of two teenagers (one a Muslim and the other black American). The suspect in that case, which involved a third person who was almost stabbed to death, is a known white supremacist. But because the color of Portland's villain does not confirm Trump's racism, he had to go all the way to the UK and get all in their business. The villains of the London Bridge attack are the right color and religion.

The US-UK alliance is essential to defend the West.
Trump is damaging it.

Jihadis are attacking London.
Trump is helping.

These thing are happening because he's A. Really. Dumb. Racist.

Edit:
I freely admit and concede that I am no expert on racism. Therefore I defer to qualified professional racists:
The KKK, and David Duke- which supports Trump, and who he is loathe to disavow on his campaign trail
White Nationalists and Richard Spencer- also support Trump
Gateway Pundit - filmed making White Power signs at the WH press podium when Trump gave them credentials
Fox News- now facing ANOTHER racism lawsuit, also supports Trump

Racists of a feather ... etc.

Further Edit:
Mayor Khan is a highly regarded and popular political figure. It's somewhat odd to see him described as "snively and pusillanimous" when his career has been stellar.

 

[FuzzySpider]

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe I'm the only one who sees the racism.

There have been two separate cities attacked in the UK by terrorists in the past 3 months, Manchester and London.

Here is the mayor of Manchester.

Spoiler

Here is the mayor of London.

Spoiler

Trump attacks only one, can't think why...

 

[Boomer Kay]

Oh yea, Portland

http://nypost.com/2017/05/30/you-got-no-safe-place-portland-stabbing-suspect-rants-in-court/

 

[Fyrd Judge]

There have been two separate cities attacked in the UK by terrorists in the past 3 months, Manchester and London.

Here is the mayor of Manchester.

Spoiler

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Andy_Burnham2.jpg/220px-Andy_Burnham2.jpg

Here is the mayor of London.

Spoiler

http://www.obv.org.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/350x230/images/Sadiq-Khan-2_0.jpg

Trump attacks only one, can't think why...

Easy,

In 2007 Mr Khan admitted that he was related to members of the Hizb ut-Tarir, The fundamentalist group who wanted to turn Britain into an Islamic state. Khan is “unfit” to run London and protect Britain’s capital from a terrorist attack because of questions about his links to Islamist extremists such as Hizb ut-Tarir.

When Khan was questioned about his links he accused every one of being “racist” and “Islamophobic” for raising questions about Mr Khan’s links to Islamists (to try hide the facts), today he does not deny these facts and says he made a big mistake ( well you would say that if you wanted to be the London Mayor).

Mr Khan spoke at a conference alongside Yasser al-Sirri, who has subsequently said that Osama bin Laden, the al Qaeda leader who masterminded the 9/11 attacks in America, “died an honourable death”. This explains Donald Trumps reaction every time Khan opens his mouth. It also makes H.Clinton look the fool every time she stands up for Khan, when ever Trump and Khan have a spat.

He also shared a platform with Sajeel Abu Ibrahim, who according to reports ran a camp in Pakistan that trained Islamist extremists including Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the bombers in the 7/7 attacks on London in 2005.

On 3 February 2008, The Sunday Times claimed that a conversation between Khan and prisoner Babar Ahmad – a constituent accused and later convicted of involvement in terrorism had been bugged by the Metropolitan Police Anti-Terrorist Branch..................... Why would the anti terrorist unit bug Khan if not for good reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiq_Khan

THE FACTS.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rm-with-an-extremist-in-the-end-a7017346.html

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-london-hopeful-linked-to-terrorist-mhnndqvcp

https://www.questia.com/newspaper/1G1-450169757/why-khan-cannot-escape-questions-about-extremists

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayo...cape-questions-about-extremists-a3230486.html


Mr Khan is “unfit” to run London and Donald Trump is only speaking what the silent Majority of we English think and we know the facts just as Donald Trump does. You obviously do not have a clue of the facts, yet again.

Interesting that still after these attacks people will openly defend those that have stood shoulder to shoulder with the fanatics who preach killing the non M*****. If Khan was a member of a far right political group we would be seeing a different reaction altogether.

 

[Minonian]

Oh, I see. Calling someone out for being snively and pusillanimous is racist? Doesn't he also have a long history of attacking majority members as well? But we'll just cut those metrics out to suit our needs, yeah?

Anyway, I don't know how it works in the UK - maybe the mayor of London carries a lot of weight. Mayors in the United States can go jump in a lake.

he is not racist just an idiot. Yes i know! he written 10 books. Yeah... Well?
A monkey too can keep punching the typewriter.

The real question is what they books worth? Not by sales! But by value! But i guess to someone who think by using the most expensive stuffs around is real value? Useless to talk about these sort of things. He just keep pointing to the ​gilding.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

Sadiq Khan was elected as the mayor of a majority non muslim city, his rhetoric has been anti extremist, there is a chance that he used to be different, but i choose to give him the benefit of the doubt, have any of you heard of another British Muslim by the name of Majid Nawaz ? A former west hating extremist who changed his views, in fact i'd go as far as to say that i believe he is now a truly decent liberal man, he also now shares platforms with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, he is part of a group which helps stop extremism. People like Sadiq Khan and Majid Nawaz are not the enemy, in fact they are vital in fighting extremism.

Edit: I'm not actually comparing the two men, i actually much prefer the secular approach of Majid Nawaz, as opposed to the multicultural approach of Sadiq Khan (i'm pro multi ethnic Britain, not multicultural) and for all the doubts of Khan expressed above, which may or may not be justified, i still believe that within the context of the debate surrounding these latest attacks, the mayor has done nothing wrong.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Easy,

---cleaned up---

Absolutely none of that drivel, featuring opinion pieces by right-wing news pundits trying to get Tories elected, Tory politicians trying to get a Tory elected, and, for some reason, a sports commentator, has anything at all to do with Trumps attack, which was based upon a comment Khan made about not panicking which was taken out of context by the President to universal derision and condemnation.

The only people behind Trump at this point are fringe lunatics like Alex Jones or Fox and Friends. Even hard-right Republicans are trying to keep Trump at arms length.

he is not racist just an idiot.

He's both an idiot and racist.

Yes i know! he written 10 books. Yeah... Well?

Paying other people to write for you then slapping your name on the book does not an author make.

Sadiq Khan was elected as the mayor of a majority non muslim city, his rhetoric has been anti extremist, there is a chance that he used to be different, but i choose to give him the benefit of the doubt, have any of you heard of another British Muslim by the name of Majid Nawaz ? A former west hating extremist who changed his views, in fact i'd go as far as to say that i believe he is now a truly decent liberal man, he also now shares platforms with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, he is part of a group which helps stop extremism. People like Sadiq Khan and Majid Nawaz are not the enemy, in fact they are vital in fighting extremism.

1.3 million people voted for Khan. He got more votes than any other individual politician in UK history as far as I am aware. He hasn't done or said anything wrong during his tenure as mayor of London and maintains his popularity with the people of London. In attacking Khan like this Trump makes sure that his state visit to London will be... energetic.

Edit: I'm not actually comparing the two men, i actually much prefer the secular approach of Majid Nawaz, as opposed to the multicultural approach of Sadiq Khan (i'm pro multi ethnic Britain, not multicultural) and for all the doubts of Khan expressed above, which may or may not be justified, i still believe that within the context of the debate surrounding these latest attacks, the mayor has done nothing wrong.

Multikuli is the only way forward. Trying to shoe-horn entire populations to follow the same culture, creeds, and codes of conduct is no better than strict Islam or Christianity. As long as people are not doing harm to others they should be allowed to believe and behave as they wish. Such an environment not only allows people to find their own way in life rather than having in prescribed for them, but it also makes life more interesting for everyone else.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Absolutely none of that drivel...

I was going to respond to that surprising and fact-free post, but you seem to have covered it.
There were highlights I'd have liked to mention, like the unique accusation that Trump knows Facts.
(That one was so good.)

Vox goes through the sordid feud.
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/6/15745058/donald-trump-sadiq-khan-london-explained

The increasingly public and bitter Khan-Trump feud highlights Trump’s remarkable unpopularity among the leaders of America’s closest allies, many of whom find that their political fortunes improve if they confront the US president and suffer if they’re perceived as being too close to him.

I do believe it was you that predicted that?

 

[Patrick_68000]

The attacks on Khan are racist in nature.

I have not heard racist words in Trump's statements

 

[Minonian]

Paying other people to write for you then slapping your name on the book does not an author make.

Wait... what???

Multikuli is the only way forward. Trying to shoe-horn entire populations to follow the same culture, creeds, and codes of conduct is no better than strict Islam or Christianity. As long as people are not doing harm to others they should be allowed to believe and behave as they wish. Such an environment not only allows people to find their own way in life rather than having in prescribed for them, but it also makes life more interesting for everyone else.

Agreed, but how you try to make people not kill each others because they are different?

 

[Patrick_68000]

Agreed, but how you try to make people not kill each others because they are different?

Destroy the evil in each of the men at the time of their childhood. And give a decent life to each person. And all the problems of violence on the earth will no longer exist