My visit to Frontier Developments and the Future of the Game

I totally understand where you are coming from. :)

You know, it's actually funny - in recent weeks, I've been called "fanboy", and "Frontier hater". I've been accused of ruining the game, and I've been accused of being biased and ignoring players concerns. Some people have told me that I make things unnecessarily difficult for Frontier, because I am too critical. Others have said that I only see the good side of Frontier and forget about the players. This is interesting, because as you point out - people see what they want to see. Some see the things they like, and are happy because they like them. Others see the things they don't like and pick up on that straight away. I'm not talking about Frontier or Elite here, I'm talking about my videos. Sometimes people see what isn't there. I can't be both a Fanboy and a Frontier Hater at the same time can I? Maybe these accusations come because I try to be as balanced as possible with my content, and a small section of viewers don't see this and instead only see what they expect to see.

But everyone is entitled to their opinion and I certainly don't think my opinions are the "right ones". What I do try however, is to make it clear when I am expressing my own opinions and when I am referring to other people's opinions.

There are a lot of things I do not like about Elite, and I have made a lot of forum posts and videos on those subjects. Powerplay and Engineers are just two of the things I dislike. RNG is probably the thing I dislike the most about Elite. I'm also not a fan of the way the game makes me waste so much damn time. I think the landable planets could do with a lot of improvement, and feel that in some respects they have been "ruined" compared to previous iterations. I'm not a fan of the shallow trading mechanics, or the way many of the games systems all work in isolation from each other rather than in cohesion. I could go on and on. But none of this is a secret, anyone who reads my forums posts or who watches my videos will know exactly how I feel. Frontier are no exception to that, they are very much aware of my thoughts and feelings on these things. But my feelings and opinions are just that. They are my own, and no more valid or meaningful than anyone else's.

I cannot say what Frontier are going to fix, and what they are not going to fix because I do not know. They didn't tell me. What they did tell me however is they do intend on fixing things. That they intend on fleshing out core mechanics and take the opportunity to bring them inline with their original vision as well as make further enhancements. What does that mean? Well I don't know. As I made clear at the end of my video, and at the end of my forum post my thoughts on that are "we will have to wait and see what this means for the gameplay". But also I will state again, that the general attitude and approach from Frontier left me with a very positive impression.

E3 is going to be highly anticipated by a lot of people, and rightly so - because people want to know what is coming next. But E3 will not have all the answers, it will not show us what is coming beyond 2.4, and it will probably only show us a part of what 2.4 is going to be.

For the rest, we are going to have to wait. And again, I have made my position on that very clear over the previous years - I have said again and again on these forums and on my videos that I feel Frontier need to get better at communicating. Yet for this I get the accusations that "Obsidian Ant puts too much pressure on Frontier" and "Obsidian Ant you are a fanboy, stop telling people they should wait and see". Again, as you pretty much said above, people see and hear what the want to see and hear.

Maybe that is why Frontier struggle with figuring out just what the "right amount" of communication is.

(Disclaimer... I've not yet watched the video :O I did read your post of course though!)

While I don't religiously watch your channel, I absolutely do watch the occasional video, and I almost always nod my head in agreement. Perhaps I am being a little to harsh on you as I know you feel pretty the same as me - you WANT the game to be the best it can be, but frustrated on occasion that it isn't.

I've re-evaluated my original posts, and decided that, more than the PEOPLE who visited Frontier, it's the absolute lack of information being given to those who DIDN'T go that is frustratingly annoying - I saw this, it was amazing. But I can't tell you. Many are so starved for information and content in the game, that when they hear someone ELSE has been told stuff THEY want to know, when the reasoning for keeping such things so secretive is obscure, it causes the kind of negative feelings so prevalent on the forums currently.

The fact that you think that Frontier have the right attitude does alleviate some concerns I suppose.

Someone mentioned earlier that Star Citizen does the complete opposite. God knows if Frontier tried anything like what those ... people do, I'd give up and go play Star Command for the rest of my life. I guess I just don't want to wait until E3 every year to find out what's actually coming up....

As for what I had to say - well it is entirely up to you how you feel about that.
I have your picture on my wall. Just above my bed.

There's a lot I don't like about Elite (and I don't make a secret about that) - but as with most people here I am very passionate about the game, and there is a great deal I do love about it. That is what keeps me coming back, and I want Elite to be the best it can be.

Personally I feel Frontier have the right attitude towards the future of the game, I also know that Frontier are committed to future development. What that ultimately means for the game play though - I will yet again reiterate (as I did in the video and the original post), I really don't know. We will have to wait and see. :)

Well.. at least the 'wait and see' bit is almost over - for this update at least. Let's hope that we can all be happily surprised by what they have in store...
 
How could you miss Slopey's fury during the ship transfer debate? And there are many other mods that issue criticism.

I did forget about transfergate :D

I honestly don't see the criticism from the mods WHO VISITED FRONTIER on the forums. Anyway, my point was clarified a bit earlier, and I'm mollified somewhat from the responses to what I posted, which were refreshingly sensible.
 
I did forget about transfergate :D

I honestly don't see the criticism from the mods WHO VISITED FRONTIER on the forums. Anyway, my point was clarified a bit earlier, and I'm mollified somewhat from the responses to what I posted, which were refreshingly sensible.

You have to understand, TJ is wearing an implant that will do things to him if i says one bad word about FD/ED.
 
I think FD and OA have been clear that E3 will focus on 2.4.

At an unspecified event "soon after E3" will be where they talk more long range vision and probably maybe (please) the next super-major expansion like Horizons planet landings was.

Frontier have said that 2.4 will show some of the E3 stuff, and they also said that stuff beyond 2.4 will be revealed at a later date.
 
In answer to the above point re people who are "critical" of the game. I am, as I always have been, very hot on pointing out bugs and areas that the game needs improving. I don't post up negativity as it's not in my nature. What I DO is do my best through all channels available including this forum, tickets and many other channesls to make suggestions on improvements and areas that the players (not just our own group) find problematic.

Examples are:
The BGS and the toxic drops during war/high 1 day influence swings
Wing content/multiplayer content
Those lovely planetary bases having NO content that makes you have to engage with them or even spend time dropping to your SRV whilst in a base
The mission system - in desperate need to repair work on massacre missions
The shield meta and ideas related to changing how it works via various methods, including the potential of using power draw to moderate it
The toxic effect of escalation of "power" away from the smaller ships and into the big three - the false feeling of cash/big ships being viewed by many as an "end game" objective
The lack of interaction between powers and the BGS

Those are the ones where I have argued/debated fiercely on these forums and provided suggestions and ideas as to how they could be improved.

I took those same concerns to Frontier when I went. I did my best to articulate them in a strong fashion and impress upon the guys there that the passion in the community can get quite heated as people like the game and the franchise so much.

Having said that, and raised many of those points, not just with the senior team leads that we met, but the people with their fingers on the keyboards I was VERY happy to see and hear that much was being done to address these items.

To that end - even last night during the live stream, Dav confirmed that they had identified the problem with massacre missions during war and a fix was "en route". Having seen the interface used and the complexity of the mission system now first hand, I can fully understand why these are complex and sometimes not easy to fix.

Improvements are coming. The team there believe in them and whilst they are coming, there is an acceleration in content!

All of this is despite being up there for what I expected originally was just a bit of a day out to meet the team and stick my head in an audio booth/in front of a camera for an interview piece or two with Ed.

PS - important point - the list above is in no way a list of things that they are definitely fixing/changing, they are just things that I pointed out noisily!
 
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I find listening to Mr Ant tell me about the future of ED very soothing

He should have been invited to do the voice-overs for the FD HQ fire alarm system: "don't panic, ...... don't panic" (as in Hitch-hiker's Guide) :)
 
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Quick, someone get the Cannonn on this photo. I bet by Saturday we have the 2.4 development plan, worked out from the positions of the crumbs on the desk and the light reflections off the keyboard.

There is obviously a morse code to decipher in this table cloth pattern.

Thargoids confirmed.
 
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Thank you OA. I'd always believed they were continuing to work on it and refused to entertain the wild rumors ED was abandoned or relegated to a skeleton crew. Premium FSX addons often take years to develop for their complexity and detail.

ED easily has great value for the initial 100 hours for the price compared to other transitory titles. There could be more encouragement on the yt video comments for the coming PS4 release. Too little positive comments and too many jabs at the game.
 
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I hate the notion of extra-privileged uber-players.

Not 100% sure what this comment even means... I don't believe I have ever painted those who visited FDHQ as uber anything... they ARE just normal players, I mean have you SEEN OA's flying??

Privilege is a very touchy topic, and I ain't going anywhere near it. Suffice to say what MY point was is unrelated to that... distasteful phrase.
 
I once worked at EA and it was much the same (the game paraphernalia). Most developers do actually like the things they work on and want to do a quality job.

Yes they do. Many though have some jerk in a suit telling them the direction of their game isn't in line with their ideas and it needs to change, and by the way we are going to put it on console. Then the dev sees the writing on the wall and goes into deep depression as he's forced to remove or dumb down many of his dream features due to some greedy dastardly deceptive idiot in a suit. He then decides to have little models of his ideas made so he can at least have some resemblance of his creativity left to look at. FD didn't need a suit or publisher to cause all that. Good news from watching is FD is still trying to get it right...........which is superb. I'll stop whining when they do.
 
Yes they do. Many though have some jerk in a suit telling them the direction of their game isn't in line with their ideas and it needs to change, and by the way we are going to put it on console. Then the dev sees the writing on the wall and goes into deep depression as he's forced to remove or dumb down many of his dream features due to some greedy dastardly deceptive idiot in a suit. He then decides to have little models of his ideas made so he can at least have some resemblance of his creativity left to look at. FD didn't need a suit or publisher to cause all that. Good news from watching is FD is still trying to get it right...........which is superb. I'll stop whining when they do.

I've worked over 20 years in enterprise software and it's the same... the peeps in the engineering teams are usually the biggest fans and want to make their app or component amazing. It's usually short sighted leadership and empire building by middle management that ruins things. If I had a penny for every time I've had to bite my tongue because of some bigwig's pet project or the machinations of some well-connected idiot...
 
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You have to understand, TJ is wearing an implant that will do things to him if i says one bad word about FD/ED.

That would explain all the shocks I've been getting today....

I've always said frontier could improve their communication skills, I've been saying that for far too many years to mention and yes they seem to be addressing that,

Seems though that they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

They try to not over promise and err on the side of caution.
 
I've worked over 20 years in enterprise software and it's the same... the peeps in the engineering teams are usually the biggest fans and want to make their app or component amazing. It's usually short sighted leadership and empire building by middle management that ruins things. If I had a penny for every time I've had to bite my tongue because of some bigwig's pet project or the machinations of some well-connected idiot...

Spot-on. if I had rep to give, I'd give it to you. You'll have to settle for this: [up]
 
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