Frustration Diagnosis

I'm not concerned at all.
The game is already in a good state on a less powerful console,its a done deal that it will be amazing because it already is.
FD like to keep working up to the last minute,there's a beta running at the moment which is basically getting the game more stable ready for a PS4 release.
The real meat of the forum is on the dangerous discussion,which caters to all platforms and is currently in quite an upbeat mood.
Not long now,chin up :D
 
Jupiter67, you were making some solid arguments until that last paragraph. Not that I agree with everything you wrote, but the arguments where solid. But that last paragraph... You say I'm emotional because I use words like "passionate" and "frustration", but yesterday you called many of us "raging lunatics" and today you tell me I need to "check my head." If I knew you better, I might take this as friendly jousting, but what I'm seeing is consistent ad hominim attacks.

Since that's all I've seen from you so far (nothing friendly to balance it), I'm adding you to my ignore list. Don't let it bother you. I recommend you do the same with me, and then we can both enjoy this forum without unnecessary conflict.

ps - If I were emotional, I'd add you to my KoS list ;)
 
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The real meat of the forum is on the dangerous discussion,which caters to all platforms and is currently in quite an upbeat mood.

Meat = predators. Still, good news - i stopped going to that particular forum - too salty by far...but then i stopped coming here for a while too... i might go back to stopping on or around the 27th....
 
A cautionary tale comes to mind. I've mentioned this in another forum, but, prior to what happened to Hello Games, I likely would have agreed with everything you've said. Now, however, I've come to understand that the world we game in is different now. I mention this not only because Hello Games also produced a space game directly inspired by Elite, but because Hello Games really, really, truly cared about the communication layer between their fans and themselves during the game's development. And the result was, ultimately, death threats, and the rise of a legion of trolls who still, to this day, won't let it go. Even in "benign" peace-centric places like the No Man's High reddit which I was a founding member of, you still see periodic invasions by trolls, who savagely attack everyone, hurling insults at anyone who enjoys the game.

Now I truly love and adore No Man's Sky, and I've pretty much played it every day since it came out. But the Hello Games nightmare that unfolded after the game's release meant Hello Games "went dark." And can you blame them? Total silence. Their policy prior to release was open communication, and if you read and listened to everything they said (as true fans did) during the game's development, you knew what No Man's Sky was going to be. To the people who weren't paying attention, or whose information sources had a reputation for rampant speculation or cherry-picking details from Hello Games' communications, No Man's Sky was nothing like what they expected.

Think about it a bit. Logically, and with a bit of critical thought. Put yourself in the developer's place. So here you have FDEV, working on a title which very much appeals to the same kinds of players that were attracted to No Man's Sky. And having witnessed what their peers at Hello Games have gone through, in today's modern click-bait era of commoditized gaming speculation videos/articles, what is FDEV's motivation to keep a constant stream of information flowing? That stream will invariably be polluted, distorted, and hurled back at FDEV with each release, as they are branded liars and charlatans by the hideous new legion of gamer idiots that seems to rule today's gaming web.

And if all you're really looking for is FDEV saying "Hey, yeah, we're still working on it" then, well, I'd argue they have been doing that. If you want more details, and concrete information, you have to ask yourself: why do you want that? If FDEV are keeping the details to themselves, I applaud them. I would never want another developer to experience what Hello Games experienced. So for me, personally, I don't care. I love Hello Games' new approach: their only form of communication is the new content patches they release for No Man's Sky. Otherwise, it's silence. And to be honest, I love that. It's always an amazing surprise to power up the PS4 and get a notification that a new content patch has downloaded for No Man's Sky. Total "Christmas morning" kind of feel. And I love that. I love it because I trust Hello Games, and they've got an amazing universe they're building. I see the same thing going on with FDEV, and I'm loving the silence. To me, that equates to dedication to the game. While it would be neat to know the specs for the PS4 Pro version of ED, I can wait. It's not a big deal to me. It's going to look spectacular, regardless.

If you're argument here is mostly one based in emotion (words like "passionate" "soulless" "doubts" "frustration"), I'd say you need to check your head and look at what's really going on in the gaming sphere. It's really a bad place right now. It's especially bad for women and members of the LGBTQ community (both developers and players). I say take your emotions out of this, and look at it for what it is. I see in FDEV a cautious developer with a great game. Nothing more. In my view, we should all be grateful we have FDEV at all, regardless of their style or communication schedule.

Edit: Sorry :(, original post was for different forum, and got muddled up

as member of the LGBTQ community i can honestly say i have been welcomed with open arms by most regular members of our little corner of the forums and have seen little in the way of trolling, so why you had to bring people like me into it i have no idea. most of us understand what Duck is saying because we are going through the same thing, doesn't mean we don't care about FDev or ED. and please if anyone needs the head checked it is people who take what we say in our little self built asylum so seriously they feel need to rant back.

and by the way Duck has no emotions when decussing how he feels about stuff, he uses logic and insanity ;)
 
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Since that's all I've seen from you so far (nothing friendly to balance it), I'm adding you to my ignore list. Don't let it bother you. I recommend you do the same with me, and then we can both enjoy this forum without unnecessary conflict.

Surprised it took you so long. He went straight on mine. First impressions count.
 
I don't know about anyone else, but I have grown tired of seeing Elites launch trailer advertising over the last month every video I watch on YouTube it pops up. Games get more advertising from word of mouth than any marketing campaign. If you feel you don't see enough get out there and talk it up! Any other game sites you visit, Put in a plug in the comment sections even on other forums. I know I do, sharing your excitement with others helps. Specs on consoles are not something that is important. You buy a game it works on your console. The PS4 pro will do 4K regardless of if its native or not. The game no matter what game it is will always look better on a 4K screen if you are at the proper screen size to distance. I don't own one I use a PC 27" monitor 2.5' from me it looks bigger then my 55" TV in my field of view and is very sharp and a faster response time then any TV made.
 
spare a thought for FDev's work force they are doing there job, and don't really deserve the flak they sometimes get for staying silent. hell if they had gave everything away day one we would have had little to talk about, so lets all stay calm and see what the 27th brings, you never know we might get a couple of surprises on the way

I'm pretty sure they to the most part find it highly amusing when certain sections of the community kick off.
The sky's been falling many times now.
You wait until someones minor faction gets eliminated by a thargoid.
 
I'm pretty sure they to the most part find it highly amusing when certain sections of the community kick off.
The sky's been falling many times now.
You wait until someones minor faction gets eliminated by a thargoid.

won't be me or my group, i have decided to try and open diplomatic communications with them. but as the saying goes i will give anyone my hand in friendship, but will always have a gun in the other just in case.
 

stormyuk

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Skies falling where? I thought we were just salty about no PS4 info? This just got real.
 
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so why you had to bring people like me into it i have no idea.

There is a gaming world outside this forum. And there are some pretty hostile views when it comes to gaming's ability to be inclusive of all types of people. And make no mistake - games by women, games supportive of the LGBTQ community, any game that pushes boundaries - are routinely castigated by a mob of "gamers" who are threatened by such inclusiveness. Take a stroll through a Mass Effect forum. The hatred on display is disgusting and disturbing.

Knowing this, why is anyone spending their time raging against FDEV? It speaks of an utter lack of critical perspective.

Look. I'm new here, and that anti-FDEV attitude - and all its weird gripes that make no sense to PS4 players who don't even have the game yet - is mystifying to me. And yet, everyone is reacting primarily emotionally to what I've said around here. People will read what they want to read; to be honest, I just didn't expect that from a community where the game it supports is so rooted in science and exploration. Some people seem to be conflating themselves with their ideas. Take issue with an idea, and you've taken issue with the person. I'd argue that those two things must remain separate in one's life, otherwise, everything is personal. Nothing can be debated, and everything can be an insult. In such a place, voices are silenced. And forums become echo chambers. It's telling when you find yourself on an Ignore list without having specifically attacked anyone by name. Unless, of course, quoting someone's idea as a starting point in a debate is viewed as an attack.
 
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stormyuk

Volunteer Moderator
There is a gaming world outside this forum. And there are some pretty hostile views when it comes to gaming's ability to be inclusive of all types of people. And make no mistake - games by women, games supportive of the LGBTQ community, any game that pushes boundaries - are routinely castigated by a mob of "gamers" who are threatened by such inclusiveness. Take a stroll through a Mass Effect forum. The hatred on display is disgusting and disturbing.

Knowing this, why is anyone spending their time raging against FDEV? It speaks of an utter lack of critical perspective.

Look. I'm new here, and that anti-FDEV attitude - and all its weird gripes that make no sense to PS4 players who don't even have the game yet - is mystifying to me. And yet, everyone is reacting primarily emotionally to what I've said around here. People will read what they want to read. They are confusing themselves with their own ideas. Those two things must remain separate, otherwise, everything is personal. Nothing can be debated. Voices are silenced. And forums become echo chambers.

You mistake anti-FDEV attitude (at least from me, and what I read on the PS4 forums) for anti-why-are-you-not-talking-about-PS4-details-FDEV attitude. There is a big difference.
 
I am sorry but it does seem very odd that there has not been a live stream showing off game play with twelve days to go. I am sure everything is fine but with that said, I don't recall any game coming out a a new platform that did not show actual game play before it's release on that platform. It just seems weird. If it runs on XBOX it will run on PS4, I have no doubt about that. I just don't understand this logic! You say word of mouth sells games? Well give us a taste so we can spread it like a virus!
 
You mistake anti-FDEV attitude (at least from me, and what I read on the PS4 forums) for anti-why-are-you-not-talking-about-PS4-details-FDEV attitude. There is a big difference.

Agreed. I've no problem with FDev, I sure the guy and gals are doing their best. The lack of meaningful community conversation is what gets me.
 
You mistake anti-FDEV attitude (at least from me, and what I read on the PS4 forums) for anti-why-are-you-not-talking-about-PS4-details-FDEV attitude. There is a big difference.

Since neither has been defined for PS4 players, it still makes little sense to me. Someone in another forum described anti-FDEV to me as lifetime Kickstarter backers getting upset that a "lifetime" of Elite was really just turning into a 10 year plan, and that that 10 year plan is now just periodic narrative updates and QoL fixes. On the PS4 side, I just don't even know what it's about. Maybe just boredom and impatience?
 
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