General / Off-Topic Hate campaign succeeded

Boomer Kay · Jun 16, 2017

Leper Messiah said:
nonsense, I've seen plenty of vids of UAF CAUSING the real violence in a protest at BNP/EDL in the UK. e.g. a Bus of EDL supporters attacked where the bus was damaged and windows smashed by the peace loving lefties....Police came along and arrested the people in the bus (typical). I've seen pictures of all the recent left wing rallies and seen the pure vile hatred in the faces of many there. Face it, left wing is becoming as bad as the thing it hates and those in the middle just look at both the extremes and shake our heads. At least the far right arn't hypocrites, unlike the lefties.

Ok, Kindergarten level then.

Take a sharpie, look at your left hand and your right hand.
On your left (mind you, that's on the other side of your body, but not your feet), you write:
Progressives
Social Liberals
Environmentalists
Socialists
AntiFaschists *)

On your right, you write:
Conservatives
Royalists
Economic Liberals
White Supremacists
Faschists

Now that you've done that, you put both hands over your eyes and stay like that for .. another 50 years.

*) the left is "becoming" is also cute. The antifa, anarchist, punk scene is most likely the troll offspring of the '68 progressive movement:
https://nycantifa.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/70s-punk-anti-fascism/

TheAntitheist Crusader · Jun 16, 2017

Leper Messiah said:
nonsense, I've seen plenty of vids of UAF CAUSING the real violence in a protest at BNP/EDL in the UK. e.g. a Bus of EDL supporters attacked where the bus was damaged and windows smashed by the peace loving lefties....Police came along and arrested the people in the bus (typical). I've seen pictures of all the recent left wing rallies and seen the pure vile hatred in the faces of many there. Face it, left wing is becoming as bad as the thing it hates and those in the middle just look at both the extremes and shake our heads. At least the far right arn't hypocrites, unlike the lefties.

Sure there are vile people on the left, misguided idiots, but those are not truly liberal lefties, and the fact remains, most terrorism and hatred comes from the right, conservative Islam and conservative Christianity.

Crank Larson · Jun 16, 2017

Leper Messiah said:
nonsense, I've seen plenty of vids of UAF CAUSING the real violence in a protest at BNP/EDL in the UK. e.g. a Bus of EDL supporters attacked where the bus was damaged and windows smashed by the peace loving lefties....Police came along and arrested the people in the bus (typical). I've seen pictures of all the recent left wing rallies and seen the pure vile hatred in the faces of many there. Face it, left wing is becoming as bad as the thing it hates and those in the middle just look at both the extremes and shake our heads. At least the far right arn't hypocrites, unlike the lefties.

"I saw a video", "A picture showed me this".

So, you actually have no clue what really went on, then? Were you there? How long was the video? How many sides of the argument were included in it?

The whole of your post is pure fantasy - you don't even refer to the protest you are using as an example.

However, the above is irrelevant anyway. The BNP do not represent the right, and UAF do not represent the left. They support their own ideals (if you can call them that), which while they could be classified as left and right, they are so extreme that to tarnish left leaning or right leaning people with the same brush is simply laughable.

Frank · Jun 16, 2017

Lysander lysan said:
We have seen since D. Trump took office a wave of hate against him, his supporters and against conservatives in general. I find it funny that we just had 8 years in relative political peach in the US, that ended the day the left declared war on democracy.

A hideous violent crime has been committed against members of the GOP in the US. This is a political crime, it's terrorism from the left and it has to stop or we will reach a point where no one can return. People died!

Actors, the main stream media, and political front figures has been spraying the public forum with hate, and suggestion to act in a violent way, It finally paid off. May I congratulate all of you who have hoped for this to happen, now don't complain if there will be a reaction to this. Sad times indeed.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/james-t-hodgkinson/congressional-baseball-shooter-729035
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eball-gunman-James-T-Hodgkinson-pictured.html

What do you now think of the idea to restrict mentally ill people from buying guns? Do you think it's the start of a slippery slope and so the occasional death is okay to guarantee your freedom to fire bullets off into the air?

I'm appalled by this incident as I'm appalled by the current bodycount. People being gunned down is so commonplace it doesn't make the news this side of the Pond. I did not join the chorus of people who suggested that Trump should be shot after he himself said that the 2nd ammendmenters should take care of Hillary Clinton. I believe all life is sacred... even Donald Trump.

And of course you know what would happen if Trump was shot? There would be an instant tightening of gun laws, and you may find that the controls would end up tighter than if you'd just kept the firearms out of the hands of the worst nutters.

FuzzySpider · Jun 16, 2017

Frank said:
What do you now think of the idea to restrict mentally ill people from buying guns? Do you think it's the start of a slippery slope and so the occasional death is okay to guarantee your freedom to fire bullets off into the air?

I'm appalled by this incident as I'm appalled by the current bodycount. People being gunned down is so commonplace it doesn't make the news this side of the Pond. I did not join the chorus of people who suggested that Trump should be shot after he himself said that the 2nd ammendmenters should take care of Hillary Clinton. I believe all life is sacred... even Donald Trump.

And of course you know what would happen if Trump was shot? There would be an instant tightening of gun laws, and you may find that the controls would end up tighter than if you'd just kept the firearms out of the hands of the worst nutters.

Are you saying it's a bad idea to allow mentally ill people with a history of domestic violence to own guns?

That's some dangerously radical politically correct leftism there that might have saved the lives of some right-wing politicians.

shreddog · Jun 16, 2017

Robin of Spiritwood said:
Remember the assaults at the rallies?

Nice try. I remember. Left wing agitators disrupting Trump events constantly. Some of them even payed by the DNC / Clinton campaign to start violence(see project Veritas). I remember the Chicago rally that had to be canceld because of the extreme violence of the radical left.

ANd it's still going on. If a peaceful pro Trump/ free speech event is held you can bet your the leftist thugs shows up trying to disrupt it with violence.

Concerning "gun control". It will only prevent law-abiding citizens having guns to defend themselves. Bad guys will always be able to get guns no matter what. It's not like there isn't shootings in Europe happening all the time. Sweden has had multiple gun attacks the last week alone. Last night Sweden: Two dead from a shooting. Also women thrown off balconies in immigrant areas, one of them died, other in coma. Almost no mention in MSM, hmmmm.

Becks · Jun 16, 2017

shreddog said:
It's not like there isn't shootings in Europe happening all the time.

There are shootings in Europe, yes, but not even a percentage of the shootings that happens in the US would happen over here. The German police fired 85 bullets against persons in the whole year 2011. Cops in Chicago refer to that as Tuesday.

Sweden has had multiple gun attacks the last week alone. Last night Sweden: Two dead from a shooting. Also women thrown off balconies in immigrant areas, one of them died, other in coma. Almost no mention in MSM, hmmmm.

References, do you have them?

And please don't come up with Breitbart.

shreddog · Jun 16, 2017

Becks said:
References, do you have them?

And please don't come up with Breitbart.

Well... https://www.document.no/2017/06/16/sverige-to-skutt-og-drept-to-kvinner-kastet-fra-balkong/

FuzzySpider · Jun 16, 2017

Becks said:
There are shootings in Europe, yes, but not even a percentage of the shootings that happens in the US would happen over here. The German police fired 85 bullets against persons in the whole year 2011. Cops in Chicago refer to that as Tuesday.

That got a good laugh out of me.

Becks said:
References, do you have them?

And that makes you sound like Yoda, it does.

Boomer Kay · Jun 16, 2017

shreddog said:
Nice try. I remember. Left wing agitators disrupting Trump events constantly. Some of them even payed by the DNC / Clinton campaign to start violence(see project Veritas). I remember the Chicago rally that had to be canceld because of the extreme violence of the radical left.

ANd it's still going on. If a peaceful pro Trump/ free speech event is held you can bet your the leftist thugs shows up trying to disrupt it with violence.

No, no, no.
You remember Fox news and Breitbart explaining to you what you see on screen.

You don't have a single original thought about the events, you have not spoken to any "leftist", and the Chicago Rally was "after protesters and supporters clashed".
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...due-to-security-concerns-protesters/81671860/

Joe Fritz, 20, who came to hear Trump speak, said a woman punched him as he stood in a crowd of protesters outside the arena after the rally was canceled.

A woman punched him??????????????

"Still, the scuffles were brief, and some protesters said the security concerns were overstated."

"The Chicago Police Department said late Friday that four men and a woman were arrested at the rally."

Four men and a woman arrested? Man .. that's massive riots. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2520510/Michigan-State-University-Students-riot-Big-Ten-Championship-win-invite-Rose-Bowl-decades.html (that's 12 arrests over a football game [haha] )

Frank · Jun 16, 2017

shreddog said:
Nice try. I remember. Left wing agitators disrupting Trump events constantly. Some of them even payed by the DNC / Clinton campaign to start violence(see project Veritas). I remember the Chicago rally that had to be canceld because of the extreme violence of the radical left.

ANd it's still going on. If a peaceful pro Trump/ free speech event is held you can bet your the leftist thugs shows up trying to disrupt it with violence.

Concerning "gun control". It will only prevent law-abiding citizens having guns to defend themselves. Bad guys will always be able to get guns no matter what. It's not like there isn't shootings in Europe happening all the time. Sweden has had multiple gun attacks the last week alone. Last night Sweden: Two dead from a shooting. Also women thrown off balconies in immigrant areas, one of them died, other in coma. Almost no mention in MSM, hmmmm.

http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/gun-control-made-simple.jpg

Any questions?

Sure!

Why stop at handguns? What about rifles? What about bazookas? Wouldn't we all be safer if everyone had bazookas?

Why stop there? Nuclear missiles? North Korea has nuclear weapons. Surely the way we can best defend the world is by dishing out nuclear weapons to all countries?

ArchEmperor · Jun 16, 2017

The problem is that every time we post a truism and solution, it will be gone in minutes.

That is why we will have all these problems (bout hate) forever.... sigh.

shreddog · Jun 16, 2017

Becks said:
There are shootings in Europe, yes, but not even a percentage of the shootings that happens in the US would happen over here. The German police fired 85 bullets against persons in the whole year 2011. Cops in Chicago refer to that as Tuesday.
.

Oh yes Chicago. The city with the most strict gun control in the states.. Maybe there is a different issue here?

I mean Texas should be uninhabited by now with their liberal

gun laws.

Crank Larson · Jun 16, 2017

shreddog said:
Concerning "gun control". It will only prevent law-abiding citizens having guns to defend themselves. Bad guys will always be able to get guns no matter what. It's not like there isn't shootings in Europe happening all the time. Sweden has had multiple gun attacks the last week alone. Last night Sweden: Two dead from a shooting. Also women thrown off balconies in immigrant areas, one of them died, other in coma. Almost no mention in MSM, hmmmm.

No, they don't happen in Europe all the time, they are the exception, not the rule. While it is possible for bad guys to get guns over here, it certainly isn't easy.

Assuming your Sweden news is correct, how many other gun crimes were there in Europe last night? How many in Detroit (just a single US city)?

Becks · Jun 16, 2017

shreddog said:
Well... https://www.document.no/2017/06/16/sverige-to-skutt-og-drept-to-kvinner-kastet-fra-balkong/

Let me get that right: Your source for that is a norwegian right wing online newspaper, whose founder was endorsed by Anders Breivik?

Becks · Jun 16, 2017

shreddog said:
Oh yes Chicago. The city with the most strict gun control in the states.. Maybe there is a different issue here?

I mean Texas should be uninhabited by now with their liberal gun laws.

The city who needs the most strict gun control laws and still doesn't get its crime under control?

Idk, what the issue there is. Maybe that you just need to get out of the city to get a gun? Who knows.

Minonian · Jun 16, 2017

shreddog said:
Nice try. I remember. Left wing agitators disrupting Trump events constantly. Some of them even payed by the DNC / Clinton campaign to start violence(see project Veritas). I remember the Chicago rally that had to be canceld because of the extreme violence of the radical left.

ANd it's still going on. If a peaceful pro Trump/ free speech event is held you can bet your the leftist thugs shows up trying to disrupt it with violence.

Concerning "gun control". It will only prevent law-abiding citizens having guns to defend themselves. Bad guys will always be able to get guns no matter what. It's not like there isn't shootings in Europe happening all the time. Sweden has had multiple gun attacks the last week alone. Last night Sweden: Two dead from a shooting. Also women thrown off balconies in immigrant areas, one of them died, other in coma. Almost no mention in MSM, hmmmm.

http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/gun-control-made-simple.jpg

Yes... Why do you let the bad guys have guns?
They get it anyway?
LIE!!! Look around in a country where firearms heavily regulated.

Or even better?
Give it ONLY the good guys.

Minonian · Jun 16, 2017

Becks said:
The city who needs the most strict gun control laws and still doesn't get its crime under control?

Idk, what the issue there is. Maybe that you just need to get out of the city to get a gun? Who knows.

Maybe the problem is not with guns but crime and your average violent human stupidity, and the guns are just the cherry on the top, what's makes the mess even bigger.

Don Alvarez · Jun 16, 2017

Minonian said:
Maybe the problem is not with guns but crime and your average violent human stupidity, and the guns are just the cherry on the top, what's makes the mess even bigger.

I agree that stupidity is rampant in regards to these issues.

Belthize · Jun 16, 2017

The issue isn't really good guys with guns or bad guys with guns it's mentally ill people with guns. I don't tend to wander around back alley's late at night so the average criminal with a gun and I never intersect. I do tend to go to restaurants, movie theaters, schools, college campuses and other public venues. The likelihood of being shot in those venues is very close to zero, but the non zero component where there is risk is not a criminal it's a mentally ill person.

Solution seems pretty simple:

Re-invest in the rather small pittance we used to spend to treat the mentally ill in the 50s, 60s and 70s but stopped in the 80s and 90s to now.
Consider increasing limits for not selling guns to people with diagnosed mental issues and violent criminal histories (see idiot who shot up softball practice)

Conveniently a majority of both the left and right portion of the US political spectrum support those approaches, unfortunately lobbying groups (NRA et al) bring immense pressure to bear on politicians anytime the idea is floated.

Quick question: how do you tell a good guy with a gun exercising open carry rights from a mentally ill person with a gun exercising open carry rights.
Answer: Wait 20 minutes, count the bodies.