*has been seriously exploring in luxury and peace since September 2016*
Your time will come
OK, NOW you can start carrying weapons on your exploration ships
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Your time will come
well, from my side no sympathy for "militaristic explorers" cause of our own history...
but as you said:
Play the game the way you want to
Only if Frontier introduces some new exploration content.Your time will come
Otherwise Thargoids would have to invade real life to cause me troubles.
Super aggressive post. My god what has happened to the explorer community? I will be one of those explorers whom you "have no sympathy for". Good luck with engaging with thargoids in an explorer vessel. I will continue exploring peacefully with light shields and no weapons. Like I have been doing since 2015.
By all accounts from around E3, it looks like they will. Of course, I expect that the majority of it will be tied to the aliens, with perhaps a smaller number of generic additions (like comets) too. Perhaps we'll know more about this after LaveCon - is there anyone from here who'll be attending it? If there is, could you ask the Frontier attendees about this please?
Mm, I don't know. Frontier have been quite specific about what kinds of new stuff destroying Thargoids will need - new weapons, new tactics - but they didn't say that defending against them will require new ships and/or new armour. In my opinion, that would actually be a pretty bad design decision: new weapons, new tactics and the like is new content for active gameplay. Stuff that you use. Possibly cool new toys to play with. Defence, on the other hand, is almost entirely passive (except SCBs and ECMs), so getting new stuff there won't reward you with anything, but would just be a chore. But if for some reason they really wanted to add new equipment of every kind, then it would still make more sense to just add better defenses and not make your old shields and armour entirely obsolete. So that your old ship would still be good enough to run away from Thargoids, but not to defeat them in battle.if we assume that our weapons are useless without any modification,
I think our shields will be aswell...
maybe they introduce a new damage category, not thermal, kinetic or explosive, but -who knows- biological
One other thing: I still find it odd that way back when, they said that explorers should carry weapons in the future. Why weapons, and why not better defences? That implies wanting to shoot down stuff, not wanting to get away from it. But then, this could have been a simple slip of the tongue. But what with our current weapons and the scout ships that we've encountered, and now the announcement that we'll need new equipment and new tactics to kill Thargoids, the only possible scenario I see where current weapons might(!) be useful would be to pop a swarm of Thargons. Which is something we've yet to see even a hint of.
As such, I'd say that if you want to be more winter-proof for later, then it'd be best to prepare better defences first. Thrusters if your ship could outrun them (best defence is to not get hit in the first place), shields and hull if it can't.
Besides, in the worst case scenario, they'll still be useful against human ships. (By which I mean the in-game factions, not just actual players.)
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Time to dust off the 650Ls Clipper.......................................woosh.
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if i remember the same quote, it wasn't about going without weapons, but without defenses. who finds the quote in question?
I'm going to LaveCon, I will ask about exploration any chance I get, as a subset of asking about the Forge.
At the moment I'm halfway through a collaborative exploration trip, and have changed (at a convenient asteroid) from my relatively short-range (40+ ly) Orca (defences: good shields, point defence, chaff, 6A dirty drives) to my long-ranged DBX Forliger, the Zurara ship (defences: a drive-disabling mine launcher, stealth); I wouldn't bet on either against a flower-ship as things stand. Given that they can instantly knock out our ship electronics, neither running nor hiding is going to work. So unless there's some new defensive gadget which will give us a chance to use our ships at all - which might need a return to the Bubble to fit it in any case - we might as well just leave things in the hands of Fortuna.
What accounts? :O
I hope you don't mean some alien site which a few people will puzzle over morse code to find, and then the rest of the galaxy queues up to take a look.
Heh, if they went with that again, I wouldn't call that new gameplay. Just new content that the likes of which we already have.
I think the longest quote on the matter is from this article, which was somewhat clickbait-y:
"3. Exploration Will Be Getting Lots of Attention
Although every Elite player has their own style of play, you could argue that exploration of the Milky Way galaxy is the greatest thing Elite: Dangerous offers. And, yes, you can spend many hours warping to stars many light years away to visit notable celestial bodies like Betelgeuse and even neutron stars, but the gameplay is simple, to a point of being boring for many players.
Frontier Developments is fully aware of this, and will be investing resources into ensuring that exploration has interesting interactions and perhaps even more compelling gameplay loops. Some of this will arrive with v2.4, including the new discoverable Thargoid locales. However, much more will be done in the more distant future."
Although every Elite player has their own style of play, you could argue that exploration of the Milky Way galaxy is the greatest thing Elite: Dangerous offers. And, yes, you can spend many hours warping to stars many light years away to visit notable celestial bodies like Betelgeuse and even neutron stars, but the gameplay is simple, to a point of being boring for many players.
Frontier Developments is fully aware of this, and will be investing resources into ensuring that exploration has interesting interactions and perhaps even more compelling gameplay loops. Some of this will arrive with v2.4, including the new discoverable Thargoid locales. However, much more will be done in the more distant future."
Oh, and since I linked that article, I should also link the FD clarification that they posted about the atmospheric part.
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no, they'll not make our shields obsolete, but have us to mod them using some mats gathering and engineering
oh, you expect new gameplay not just new timesink content?
sry, my fault
serious, lets hope the best
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Seriously. You think that was aggressive.
Your tone was, yes absolutely. Plus it's my opinion and perception. Let me put it this way: if I spoke to a works colleague in that way I would probably get reprimanded. And if I posted a post with that tone then I'd probably feel uncomfortable and edit. You even said your opinion would "not make you many friends" which implies unconsciously you agree with my sentiment.
So yes. Aggressive. Super in fact.
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Missed these two posts from earlier:
Back to something more on-topic: the whole shutdown thing looks unintentional from the aliens to me. As far as I know, it's only the onboard computer that shuts down, not your shield nor the power. So yeah, it might be likely that FD will handwave that away with "all computers received an automatic firmware update to mitigate the Thargoid effect" or somesuch. Losing control of your ship is excellent for dramatic effect (I really liked it when UPs did that at first), but when the scenario changes from a scripted event to actual gameplay, taking away player agency completely is one of the worst ways of trying to make something more difficult.
You know, I thought I remembered it well, but it turns out I didn't. Couldn't find it again yet to verify, but now I'm inclined to believe your version instead, as it would make more sense for FD to say that.
Sweet, thanks in advance! If they'll be receptive to your Forge questions, would you mind asking them about how the "ice in the surface composition -> argon in the atmosphere" scenario works in Earth-likes? What ice is that, and how does the Forge produce that much argon in an atmosphere, where does it come from?I'm going to LaveCon, I will ask about exploration any chance I get, as a subset of asking about the Forge.
Back to something more on-topic: the whole shutdown thing looks unintentional from the aliens to me. As far as I know, it's only the onboard computer that shuts down, not your shield nor the power. So yeah, it might be likely that FD will handwave that away with "all computers received an automatic firmware update to mitigate the Thargoid effect" or somesuch. Losing control of your ship is excellent for dramatic effect (I really liked it when UPs did that at first), but when the scenario changes from a scripted event to actual gameplay, taking away player agency completely is one of the worst ways of trying to make something more difficult.
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Oh, the obsession with carrying weapons. When you're flying a ship that is at 0% integrity, has no armour, has no decent battle units -- oh wait, that's an exploration ship. Carrying weapons will not make a difference at all. You want to fight? Stay in the bubble and take your chances with a battle ship.
So it's very simple for explorers:
- Don't shoot at Thargoids.
- Run if you're hyperdicted.
Those are the best policies.
On top of that I should add that this looks like it's currently centred around the bubble. I highly doubt they'll set the aliens to blow up unarmed and harmless exploration ships at the various edges of the galaxy. There is no fun in that and too much grief, especially given that we are usually carrying months' worth of data that cannot be "magically" saved on destruction like the materials do.
I choose to believe that explorers will be fine on this occasion.