Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

[Han Zulu]

That's the kind of question that poses the multiple species theory (canonically truth). Is there infighting? Or has the "bad news" from beyond the FR traveled nearer to the Bubble that we'd thought? Perhaps whatever is out there is killing them. Or maybe they just misinterpreted the gravity of a planet and wrecked while on a bathroom break.

Yeah. Maybe the thargoids are running from an enemy and want our help.

 

[CMND Blair Suth]

Yeah. Maybe the thargoids are running from an enemy and want our help.

I think the most logical approach to this whole situation would be: assume nothing, be prepared for everything. Whether that be peace or war. Or something else.

 

[BDC]

That's the kind of question that poses the multiple species theory (canonically truth). Is there infighting? Or has the "bad news" from beyond the FR traveled nearer to the Bubble that we'd thought? Perhaps whatever is out there is killing them. Or maybe they just misinterpreted the gravity of a planet and wrecked while on a bathroom break.

I read up on the Klaxians and the Oresrians I think they were named and from what I recall reading it made mention of how one of those factions were friendly (or at least non-aggressive). Honestly, given the scenarios where we've encountered these alien vessels up close and personal, it must be stated clearly that they have not been aggressive towards us even in lieu of some of our trigger-happy commanders being aggressive; sometimes unprovoked. It has to also be stated that while they've hyperdicted us, the only thing they've done is temporarily disable us. It could be a show of force or some other kind of posturing, but they've not killed us much less engaged us. Furthermore, the Federation ships we've seen destroyed don't show any evidence of the flower ships (as we've seen them) actually doing it. Nobody's got anything concrete that ties them to it.

In all of this, what I fear is that we might be lumping all of them together into one group. Consider the possibility concerning human beings in space: We have the Federation, the Empire, the Alliance, and any other number of splinter groups with many of them being hostile and some not. What if the same type of dynamic exists here with the Thargoids, or the flower ships, or whatever the hell they are? The flower ship plus multiple human crashed vessels' site is what gives me pause on all of this.

I think the most logical approach to this whole situation would be: assume nothing, be prepared for everything. Whether that be peace or war. Or something else.

^ This. And it's why I lean towards the Federation on this. Better to be ready to (attempt to) deal with an assault of some kind and not have it happen vs rest on our laurels and play pretend that everything's fine.

Edit: And one more thing I just thought of: That same wreck with the crashed human vessels all had the "claw" marks on them. The derelict Federation capital ships and surrounding supports ships didn't. They had the what appears to be corrosive green "goo" instead. Is it possible that we're dealing with multiple antagonists here? Or perhaps the same antagonist that found a better way to take us out of the fight?

 

[Squid Gumbo]

The green haze found around the destroyed Fed convoy appears to be the same as what is emanating from the barnacles, but we have no evidence of Thargoids being able to physically claw anything. There must be multiple attackers

 

[PanPiper.]

Edit: And one more thing I just thought of: That same wreck with the crashed human vessels all had the "claw" marks on them. The derelict Federation capital ships and surrounding supports ships didn't. They had the what appears to be corrosive green "goo" instead. Is it possible that we're dealing with multiple antagonists here? Or perhaps the same antagonist that found a better way to take us out of the fight?

Very good observation,, not thought on that , now remembering it, could be very relevant.
Might have to relook at those sites and marks.

The green haze found around the destroyed Fed convoy appears to be the same as what is emanating from the barnacles,

anything like the new green energy which seems to be stored in barnacle spike explosions? Didn't look like it to me... Regular barnacle smoke , also no...

Spoiler Danger : Barnacle stuff.

Spoiler

Seems they got a revamp with 2.3 , didnt notice any barnacle changes prior except the little green smoke rings afterwards.
Slow motion frames reveals the old little green spark explosion in the middle of a spike is now a whole spike explosion.
Green blue energy release is spectacular. Glowing tendril spike now replaced by barren dead spike pieces after large energy releases.

Spoiler

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I mean, they've got plenty of reason to be hostile depending on what version of the history you believe. Still, they've had lot of chances to blow up CMDRs and haven't taken any of them. The only "Thargoid attacks" there have been so far suspiciously happened when there was no one around to witness them...

If the attacks were staged then that would explain the lack of bodies in the wreckage....

Edit: actually, in hindsight, the HIP 17044 convoy is rather peculiar. The capships were not named, whoever heard of a capital ship without a naming ceremony?! And that morse signal is a bit ambiguous
"UNKNOWN VESSELS DETECTED. SERVER PURGE FAILED. SHIP ASSETS LIQUIDATED. PAYLOAD DESTROYED. SHIP STATUS LOST", in particular the "assets liquidated" phrasing is strange, more like a murder squad report than a crew status report where "crew dead/killed" might have been expected from a human reporting this.

 

[Squid Gumbo]

So you're saying they're different? Interesting...this requires further investigation. Perhaps whatever attacked the Fed Convoy is something else entirely. But that wouldn't explain the "Thargoids Return" message though?

If they were staged then that would explain the kack of bodies in the wreckage....

True, but why stage them? What's the endgame here? A good point to be sure

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

If they are intelligent, they should excpect use seeing menace if they are headed our way. And I think ripping ships out of hyperspace is certainly not a friendly act.
We also happen to suspect that they've infiltrated the superpowers one way or another - if so, both the Alliance and the Empire are suspicious...

Feds too!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Of course they are going to be hostile. ED is mostly a combat game, you can't even deliver a couple of tons of biowaste to a farming station needing fertilizer without being attacked over and over by pirates wanting your tasty cargo.

Coprophagia is, I believe, common in pirates of a certain class; I think it's related to some disease caught from parrots

 

[LordZoltan]

I was expecting a bit more original answers from the superpowers. Right now we have:

1) War! We were preparing for it anyway!

2) Humanity survived until today, it will survive till tomorrow.

3) Enemies? Nah they're just different and much more technologically developed.

Lol - I think it's basically a realistic set of responses based on the state of politics in certain countries here in R/L (no, not opening any debates about that here, OMG no).

There's very little in the leaders of today which instills any confidence that we'll be any better in a million years; let alone 1,300!


But, yeah: it was obvious the Feds were going militaristic, and Imps would also bring out their big guns^TM - as for the Alliance, well - they probably speak for a 'silent many'.

It won't make me PP, but like many I'm strongly considering doing the rank grind...

 

[Squid Gumbo]

From the hidden message found within the comm bursts from the Fed Battlecruiser in HIP 17044, what "payload" have they destroyed? What is it that they're trying to cover up? If they were still able to encrypt comms, is it likely that the attack was orchestrated by themselves? As Jorki Rasalas noted above, it would explain the lack of bodies or escape pods.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

So you're saying they're different? Interesting...this requires further investigation. Perhaps whatever attacked the Fed Convoy is something else entirely. But that wouldn't explain the "Thargoids Return" message though?



True, but why stage them? What's the endgame here? A good point to be sure

I've been saying for at least the last 6 months that the hyperdictions demonstrate no hostile intent; they pull ships out of hyperspace, scan them, go on their way without responding to any shots by humans, so it appears that the flowerships are searching for something but are not interested in human ships. We have lore that in the Thargoids there were at least two factions, there were hostile Klaxians and Oresrians who were hostile to Klaxians but not necessarily to humans. (Edit: that would explain DB calling the flowerships "Thargoid", they could still be Oresrian, in fact that seems likely if Klaxians are killing off Feds but nobody has died after being hyperdicted).

it seems to be only Fed ships/convoys that are being attacked; Hudson has been a warmonger throughout the galnet reporting history. It is feasible that Hudson (or some unknown agency) is faking these attacks (no bodies or even escape capsules!) in order to foster a war.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Lol - I think it's basically a realistic set of responses based on the state of politics in certain countries here in R/L (no, not opening any debates about that here, OMG no).

There's very little in the leaders of today which instills any confidence that we'll be any better in a million years; let alone 1,300!


But, yeah: it was obvious the Feds were going militaristic, and Imps would also bring out their big guns^TM - as for the Alliance, well - they probably speak for a 'silent many'.

It won't make me PP, but like many I'm strongly considering doing the rank grind...

Already a Duke with the Empire to get the Cutter, (didn't like the Clipper's cockpit refectivity & hardpoint placement) yesterday got to Post Captain with Feds-Corvette in sight! Really hoping the Alliance have got some interesting ships hidden away, and the Oresrians... could imagine my Canonn decal fitting nicely on a flowership.....

 

[Han_Zen]

The green haze found around the destroyed Fed convoy appears to be the same as what is emanating from the barnacles, but we have no evidence of Thargoids being able to physically claw anything. There must be multiple attackers

The green haze is very similar to the haze coming out of the barnacles. It would not surprise me if the Feds weren't attacked by any one at all.

They are just blowing up because they are experimenting with a new alien energy source on their ships.

 

[Nagual]

The green haze is very similar to the haze coming out of the barnacles. It would not surprise me if the Feds weren't attacked by any one at all.

They are just blowing up because they are experimenting with a new alien energy source on their ships.

Certainly a possibility, we know certain things are very corrosive to ships.

 

[LordZoltan]

The green haze is very similar to the haze coming out of the barnacles. It would not surprise me if the Feds weren't attacked by any one at all.

They are just blowing up because they are experimenting with a new alien energy source on their ships.

This possibility amuses me no end. *Distinctly* possible.

UPs, UAs and MAs were in convoys first. This might be no different.

 

[Nagual]

This possibility amuses me no end. *Distinctly* possible.

UPs, UAs and MAs were in convoys first. This might be no different.

Would surprise me if they were testing new meta drives, in an attempt to replicate the Thatgoids propulsion / jump tech.

 

[Kaskobi]

At the HIP 17044 alien attack site, there is a federal fighter with no traces of unknown weapon damage. There is no corrosion effect and no green fire at the point of impact. The fighter seems unharmed except for a scratched hull and broken window
http://imgur.com/a/iz4n9

 

[jojon]

Well, if a test detonation was being performed, I guess we would have the "payload" explained. :7
As for "ship assets": Assets onboard ships, or assets in the form of ships? :7

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

At the HIP 17044 alien attack site, there is a federal fighter with no traces of unknown weapon damage. There is no corrosion effect and no green fire at the point of impact. The fighter seems unharmed except for a scratched hull and broken window
http://imgur.com/a/iz4n9

Ship's fighters are controlled by a link from the pilot who is still in his ship. I think if he dies then the fighter might remain.