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Maybe Thargoids are distant relatives to cabbage? The RETURN of the killer cabbage!
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Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn
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Maybe Thargoids are distant relatives to cabbage? The RETURN of the killer cabbage!
At 7:10? Hydroponics lab I'm going to guess.
An interesting theory, but to me it seems more plausible that they were part of a group of friendlies as I can't see any other reason why a cluster of ships such as that would be crashed in the same spot within such close proximity. After all, there are one or two friendly factions of Thargoids according to canon lore. But honestly I don't know. It doesn't make any sense to me. I'm just trying to look at it as objectively and open-mindedly. Here's what I know from observation:
- A group of Federal Corvettes are disabled with the what-appears-to-be corrosive "green goo" found via Distress call USS. Flowership seen leaving the scene when player shows up.
- Same green goo shown splattered all over the hulls of a fleet of Federation ships, killing all personnel, from two capital ships and support ships
- Flowerships hyperdicting people at seemingly random within and near the Pleiades Sector but not acting in an openly hostile manner even though they disable our ships temporarily
- Flowerships arrive at barnacle sites, disable our ships like usual, but pay no attention to us during their interaction with said barnacle
- The flowership + several human vessel wreck (anaconda plus two type 9's) are in very close proximity to one another, having crashed into the side of a small mountain that lay in the center of an asteroid crater on a low gravity moon; the human ships show what I would call "claw" marks and are bereft of aforementioned green goo -- This is bothersome as hell for me
- Each of the flowership wrecks that've been thus far are empty of their center "cockpit" section
I agree with another gentleman here who's said he's made the point for the past several months that there's absolutely zero evidence to support the idea that the flowerships, as we've seen them, are hostile. We'e never, not one time, seen a flowership attack another vessel. Ever. There's no proof of it. It is entirely possible, due to lack of direct evidence, that the flowerships could indeed be friendly and, in regard to the Distress call USS re: the disabled Vette squadron, it's possible that they themselves were responding to the distress call rather than being the antagonist(s) that caused it. It's possible they've caused it, and I'm open-minded to that, but I've yet to see any proof of it. Just suggestion which could be wrong.
I'm of the opinion that there are multiple players in the game here and not just the humans vs. thargoids thing as the bandwagon that I think many are quick to jump on.
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This makes me think of something else that was recently said by Samarco. Apparantley, our current weapons will not be good enough to take on Thargoids...
So, if ours aren't good enough, then how on earth did a wing of Anaconda's and T9's take a flower ship down on one of the planets?
All that was left were the Unknown Artefacts... big, big smoking gun right there.
Whatever happened, the ultimate destruction of all ships occured, even the seemingly invincible flower ship - but that isn't the only Thargoid crash site (the solo wrecks themselves may even be as old the Guardians' Ancient Ruins), though it is the only one, if memory serves, of both human and Thargoid vessels at the same spot (another theory is that something else entirely wiped out both the Human and Thargoid ship, not counting the Unknown Artefacts.
If Unknown Artefacts are indeed "reversed engineered tech", then surely Faragut Class Battlecruisers would carry some onboard (potentially, to combat Thargoids)? Surely Federation command, or even the secret organizations, would know such.
Some possibilities;
1) Unknown Artefacts and/or Unknown Probes are Thargoid after all.
2) Unknown Artefacts and/or Unknown Probes are not Thargoid, but old Guardian Technology - long outdated but still around - perhaps remnants of the second Civil War that ravaged most if not all of the Guardians.
3) Unknown Artefacts and/or Unknown Probes are none of the above, and are something completely seperate - as in, different aliens (though the sounds are very similar to that of Thargoids...).
4) Unknown Artefacts and/or Unknown Probes could be an old type of weapon that was deployed to prevent Thargoid incursions in their region of space (like mini-platforms) by the Gaurdians and, since humans have been salvaging them from systems or Ammonia worlds within a 150ly bubble around the Pleiades, they have been depleted, perhaps, to numbers that no longer prevent the Thargoids from re-appearing. This leads onto...
5) Unknown Artefacts and/or Unknown Probes are a type of weaponry or anti-Thargoid Witch-Space device and/or early warning system for, potentially, a long-dead species... or, leading on again...
6) There is an alien enemy that the Thargoids themselves are running scared from (which are potentially linked to the UAs or UPs) and are now retreating with their backs to the wall against this threat, and only now are we seeing them getting closer. Could or could not be an ongoing Guardian Civil War that has been continued by the various AI factions. Mahon did state that none of the flower ships have been seen destroying the ships we find in question - if this is true (after all, we got interdicted and they left us in peace), then the flower ships we have seen when jumping into some Signal Sources may simply have been investigating the same aftermath, and may not be the direct cause of the destroyed ships - we, after all, do not know if their weapons are capable of making ships burn green. We just don't know.
7) A simple mixture of all or none of the above - we may never know.
Edit; added 6.
Thoughts;
The fact that we have, so far, seen no interaction with the UAs or UPs from the flower ships, except at one crash site - which of the only survivors were Unknown Artefacts, would suggest that, maybe, a few Unknown Artefacts working together in tandem could be a type of electronic sound or pulse weapon (since they emit strong sounds and communicate in this manner) - but they are only a weapon when grouped.
By themselves, they are, probably, predicatably pretty weak. However, if many are working together (either for protection or to kill their hated targets) then perhaps they would be strong enough to take down large targets - Space Stations in real-space do suffer from electrical fault - especially if tens or hundreds have been sold to that sole station (UA bombing).
Perhaps it was the Unknown Artefacts that killed both the Flower Vessel and Anaconda's and T9's. Perhaps, for protection, or because of the Flower ship's presence, once it had interdicted the wing (if such a thing is possible), or the flower ship appeared out of nowhere above the surface of the planet (much like we have seen recently) because it noticed something odd...
Perhaps tens or even hundreds of Unknown Artefact signatures being carried by the wing? Although we will never know if more Unknown Artefacts were carried, we know 3-4 can be found at the crash site - because they are alive (or online, if truly mechanical or biomechanical), this adds to my suspicion that the Unknown Artefacts were responsible for destroying all human and Thargoid ships by disabling them high above the planet - eventually, they all fell towards the planet without power and *boom*. Wrecked human and Thargoid vessel.
Edit; Oh, and as we all know, Unknown Artefacts scan any and all ships within their range - it may not recognise human ships (as a threat), though it will transmite signals of our ships through code by what our ships look like. Flower ships, on the other hand, of Thargoid origin, potentially, may also be subject to getting scanned. If the Unknown Artefact(s) scan such a Thargoid ship, and the UAs regard it as an enemy - then *boom* perhaps they are able to retaliate to disable the Thargoid ship and, indeed, the human vessels also carrying them.
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funny discussions
greetings fellow pixel pushers,
after lurking for a while I decided to chime in to this whole aliens discussion. I wonder why FDev seems to have taken the easy way of introducing alien life in this game. Especially given the proposed nature of the thargoigs (non oxygen life) - which by definition does not put them in natural conflict with humans as there is no competition for resources. I realize the need to monetize the development effort and cater to the kill'em crowd, but shouldn't we expect more from the game?
greetings fellow pixel pushers,
after lurking for a while I decided to chime in to this whole aliens discussion. I wonder why FDev seems to have taken the easy way of introducing alien life in this game. Especially given the proposed nature of the thargoigs (non oxygen life) - which by definition does not put them in natural conflict with humans as there is no competition for resources. I realize the need to monetize the development effort and cater to the kill'em crowd, but shouldn't we expect more from the game?
While we’re all speculating wildly:
I suspect we’ve yet to encounter an actual Thargoid. Everything we’ve seen so far are automated systems belonging to the Thargoids.
We live on different kinds of worlds and utilise different materials. If we don’t mess with their stuff (try to steal their resources and technology, damage their craft), we might have a chance to be wary, but good neighbours. There’s room for the both of us.
I suspect we’ve yet to encounter an actual Thargoid. Everything we’ve seen so far are automated systems belonging to the Thargoids.
- The UAs are probes watching the ‘borders’ of the Pleiades.
- The UPs are probes inspecting possible terraformable (for Thargoid physiology) worlds.
- The barnacles are automated miners / resource extractors.
- The ‘flower ships’ are drones scouting the area, collecting resources, possibly building something.
We live on different kinds of worlds and utilise different materials. If we don’t mess with their stuff (try to steal their resources and technology, damage their craft), we might have a chance to be wary, but good neighbours. There’s room for the both of us.
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The flower ships with their green features, leaving behind wrecked ships in a green haze - and those don't appear to be the smoking gun?
Just look at the 2.4 trailer, flower ships pass by causing corrosion on the badge... I think saying that Thargoids are friendlies is nonsense.
That we haven't seen a shot fired is simply teasing us as at this moment we have no idea how they fight.
A lot of people seem to be making assumptions on the Thargoids intent. It could be the corrosive effects aren't intentional, they just happen. And the Thargoids don't care. Their motivations are unknown. We, the Humans in the Galaxy could just be collateral damage, like grass under foot. Or insects on your car windscreen.
Tinfoil Theory Alert!!
Probably said but after going to the crash sight and seeing the wreckage im wondering why the crash is discolored, yes i know its old however isnt meta alloy supposed to stop corrosion??
What if those crashed ships where the friendly thargoid race from previous games (Oserians? spelling is most liekly wrong, hunted by the Klaxians we are seeing.
The probes belong to Klaxians probing ammonia worlds for their remaining population while the UA's are scanning around seeing where they are and how close they are.
They took out the guardians and now want to take out their most hated brothers, us humans being somewhat in the midst but they ignore us due to not wanting us.
Its tinfoil however it kind of pieces together, the Thorax on both ships both crashed and hyperdictions differ in markings slightly and so do the probes and ua's.
Probably said but after going to the crash sight and seeing the wreckage im wondering why the crash is discolored, yes i know its old however isnt meta alloy supposed to stop corrosion??
What if those crashed ships where the friendly thargoid race from previous games (Oserians? spelling is most liekly wrong, hunted by the Klaxians we are seeing.
The probes belong to Klaxians probing ammonia worlds for their remaining population while the UA's are scanning around seeing where they are and how close they are.
They took out the guardians and now want to take out their most hated brothers, us humans being somewhat in the midst but they ignore us due to not wanting us.
Its tinfoil however it kind of pieces together, the Thorax on both ships both crashed and hyperdictions differ in markings slightly and so do the probes and ua's.
Also should i mention by thorax markings, yes its a ship, it doesnt have a thorax, however looking at if it did and where abouts it would be theres a little green looking guy on the wreck yet a more prominent evil looking one on the working ship.
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The flower ships with their green features, leaving behind wrecked ships in a green haze - and those don't appear to be the smoking gun?
Just look at the 2.4 trailer, flower ships pass by causing corrosion on the badge... I think saying that Thargoids are friendlies is nonsense.
That we haven't seen a shot fired is simply teasing us as at this moment we have no idea how they fight.
Saying Thargoids are either malevolent or benevolent is nonsense at the moment. We have no causation; only correlation, conjecture and circumstantial evidence.
The best words I have to describe the Thargoids right now is 'curious' and 'indifferent' - in equal measure.
The ship beacons merely say 'Thargoids Returned' and report about assets being lost etc.
So, if you don your trusty Science Hat of ScepticismTM* then you have to ask: if there was enough time to program a morse beacon and to hide a longer morse message in a broadcast - then why not take the time to state that it really was 'Thargoids wot did it', given the potentially disastrous ramifications of not doing so.
I'm not saying that it isn't possible that those ships were creamed by the flower/insect/barnacle-tickling Thargoids - just that there's not enough evidence to say that's definitely what happened; indeed there is as much evidence, if not more, to say that it wasn't.
Given the history, here, it's as likely, as Han Zen suggested, that the Feds picked up something they shouldn't have done, and it frappéd their systems.
Or that they were attacked by something else that made it look like Thargs.
* Available at wholesale prices from the Gnosis, Canonn Institute and Thompson Dock; and also at vastly inflated retail prices from all other Canonn stations, outposts, settlements and bases; plus many concessions in other stations throughout the bubble, the Pleiades and around Colonia
Repping because: much thought went into it
But, for me, and I'm going to be repeating something I said a few pages back here, sorry, based on the evidence we have so far, the provenance of UAs leans far more towards human because the first time we saw them was in the possession of humans in military convoys whose chatter was particularly suspicious - making reference to an unknown party that told them not to ask questions. A few months later, they're found in a fixed region of space around a place that then becomes of particular interest because of barnacles, and now alien ships. Explanation? The UAs were placed there by those convoys.
The morse, also, when interpreted without any consideration of the fourth wall (which I think we might just have allowed ourselves to get sucked into), is also a massive indicator of human origin.
I think the damage they do affects human ships and Thargoid alike - that's why we see crash sites with UAs - and raises the distinct likelihood that part of the purpose of a UA is to act as a destroyer. So I think they're deliberately engineered to do that so that the 15LY 'shell' around Merope acts more like an electric fence, scanning all ships that approach and sending that information towards Merope. The design is such that the damage inevitably affects both us and 'them' and could even be argued that it makes sense even merely as a defence mechanism: you try to move those artefacts and you risk your ship.
But they didn't count on the Thargoids evolving a defence mechanism: Meta Alloys. We've basically been piggy-backing on their hard work on that one, I think, after providing our own proof, in the shape of UA bombing, that the damage effect is potentially massive when UAs are concentrated in their 1000s.
But, as I say, I am repeating myself here - so should stop!
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At all the crash sites I've visited, each and every Thargoid vessel has hit the ground at an angle and slid to a halt, spraying debris and bits of itself all over the place. If Thargoid "ships" are organic structures, would interference from a UA really disrupt its biological avionics to the point of uncontrollable descent? I'm going to have to say yes. Its corrosive nature could wear down any chitin-like structure just as easily as it eats through the hulls of unprepared human vessels. I'm just not sure why they would be traveling though local space when they can obviously travel point to point with precise witchspace jumps. Even if the UA interfered with it's "FSD", an emergency drop out of witchspace would (I think) result in hitting the ground far harder than what they appear to. There should be far less debris and intact ship pieces than what we normally see, unless their hulls are truly that strong. There has to be a reason for local space travel.
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UAs could definitely interrupt Thargoid avionics with corrosive action
Why are they traveling in local space when they crash?
TL;DR
UAs could definitely interrupt Thargoid avionics with corrosive action
Why are they traveling in local space when they crash?
^ THIS QUESTION.
So they Thargoids are back because we "screwed up bad" and they aren't happy about it.
So much for the "friendly neighborhood alien" theories...
In other words, Elite’s lack of aliens thus far means they disappeared for a good reason, and now they’re back for a good reason, too. They don’t indiscriminately hate people. People just screwed up, and they screwed up bad. “Something has made them very angry with us,” said Sammarco. Players will be able to try and learn more about the Thargoids’ motivations, but it won’t be easy: “Just because you don’t want to shoot a Thargoid ship doesn’t mean it won’t want to shoot you.”
http://kotaku.com/elites-aliens-will...ght-1796279696
So much for the "friendly neighborhood alien" theories...
In other words, Elite’s lack of aliens thus far means they disappeared for a good reason, and now they’re back for a good reason, too. They don’t indiscriminately hate people. People just screwed up, and they screwed up bad. “Something has made them very angry with us,” said Sammarco. Players will be able to try and learn more about the Thargoids’ motivations, but it won’t be easy: “Just because you don’t want to shoot a Thargoid ship doesn’t mean it won’t want to shoot you.”
http://kotaku.com/elites-aliens-will...ght-1796279696
Given Braben's interview comments about alien life motivation I'd go a step further. We attribute morality to them based on our sense of morality. It's quite plausible for us to mistake an act of benevolence as malevolent or vice versa.
A hive mind which thinks as one may not even consider the possibility that humans don't behave likewise. For example commanders who refrain from attacking may not be considered peaceful, they may be viewed as harmless drones. Individual losses on their part may not generate a sense of outrage at humans any more than we're outraged at the sun when we peel dead skin off a sunburn (well some of us might be).
Since most of the knowledge about Thargoids and UA's is uncertain, we don't know enough about either them or their technology to say they CAN make those jumps so precisely. Where a UA might corrode our systems it might rewrite theirs, whatever the UA uses to maneuver might fool the Thargoids systems. The UA's aura might shut down the ship entirely. UA's could be just Thargoid probes. Thargoids might or might not know what they are, they might be a greater threat they we are.
They say they have a book yay thick about Thargoids, what they didn't say is how many other books they had with similar topics.
I know if I wanted a dramatic reveal of anything I wouldn't drop teasers months in advance, a red herring would be involved...
But now we know that the only reason they have returned is that we've done something to "cheese" them off and apparently we need to be taught a lesson.
Any ideas on what that could be?
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