FDev, you just upset a *lot* of people.

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From what I'm gathering so far, the manner in which you've conducted your exploit punishment have been nothing less than extremely clumsy. Instead of only removing the rolls which were exploited, you've also elected to remove anything that might have been a legitimate roll. What you're literally telling us is "We know you cheated, but since we can't tell which module you cheated to upgrade, we're taking this sledgehammer to everything we think might have been exploited." I'm seeing a lot of people having lost their legitimately upgraded modules... and some performed the exploit once out of curiosity.

You're losing players pulling this stuff, guys. It's bad enough you guys took said sledgehammer to anything that looked suspicious, but according to reddit posts some people still have their exploited modules.

I'm really glad I didn't let my curiosity get the better of me... I probably would have had my FAS wiped from existence if I had from ONE module.

Jajajaja just logged to laught xd now the game it's a little better. Next time you see a exploit report it Don t take advantage.
 
In a slightly embarrassing and perverse manner: I'm sort of more interested, now, in how many "righteous" people this exposes, for whom this punishment is not severe enough.

Mate, there are a ton of morally superior commanders who will absolutely demand blood every single time; until they are implicated/ impacted and then suddenly it's all frontier's fault and how could they. Me? This is hilarious.
 
Jajajaja just logged to laught xd now the game it's a little better. Next time you see a exploit report it Don t take advantage.

Wellll, as Loskene above points out, the exploit was reported, and quite some time ago. FDev were just a bit tardy (to put it politely) in fixing it.
 
The thread everyone has been waiting for, good.
About the "just wanted to try it out once" thing.

1. Don't
2. Anyone who did then had the chance to immediately sell the module instead of using it.

I don't care about the salt mining in here, but those caught should perhaps just count themselves lucky that their accounts are still intact, breath a sigh of relief, and carry on.
 
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Well, technically, the first person that did it did so accidentally...

I believe that the bug was discovered and reported during the beta testing and in that case I suspect that the tester, whoever that might have been, was deliberately clicking around to try and break the game, successfully in this case. I submit that if they were the case, then it was not accidental.

Yes I know, I was speaking hypothetically, (I probably should have made that clear).

Oh, sorry.
 
I don't see how this is clumsy. And in any case no-one affected by this has any right to complain unless they didn't actually exploit and were mistakenly punished.

What is out of place is the response in relation to previous issues. Where was "patching an issue within a day" and "punishing offenders" when other exploits were made public, or in response to CLers?
 
You would have had HUGE sympathy from ALL of us if it wasn't just for one teensy weensy little detail :
You kept this exploit all to yourself

Good luck in your future endeavours in other games...

Clearly nobody kept it to themselves, have you seen how many people are affected by this?
 
Don't worry, this will hit them in the wallets for sure. They don't do anything about combat loggers. They don't do anything about people who used cheats in open play PvP (I still see people in open I know 100% used to use shield hacks) but people use an exploit to lessen the garbage engineer grind and they finally decide this is the time to take a stand?

Just about everyone I have talked to is walking away from the game now. This will hurt everyone, including the non-PvP crowd.

Enjoy the emptiness of open play because a large portion of the players who frequent open are quitting.
But you should be happy too! You are SDC and SDC didn't use the cheat I have been told, so now you can distribute smiles by the gallon by pointing and laughing at those other PvP groups who did cheat :)

Maybe this will cheer you up!
 
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My heart bleeds. It really does, excuse my while I try to stop laughing. If the few hundred left teh game that had been cheating I won't miss them and I doubt Fdev will either. Good riddence is what I say, and it will hopefully encourage more people to play, as they know cheater won't get away with what they have been doing.

I am assuming the exploit has been plugged now. Can someone explain to me how it worked as I have no idea myself.

Basically, you set up a G1 roll with G1 materials, aborted the roll and set up a G5 roll and it accepted the G1 materials instead of requesting G5 level materials.

That's the gist of it.
 
Clearly nobody kept it to themselves, have you seen how many people are affected by this?

I can only confirm two based on this thread. And one of those I'm not entirely sure about. There are many of us here that are interested to know who else is affected, though I hope you're not expecting sympathy. :D
 
If there's one thing to be upset about, it's the shadow of suspicion that they might not have removed all cheated modules. And judging by the argumentation in the official message ("periods of repeated use can only be deliberate"), it could be that their investigation was based on filtering only those very hard modules obtained in suspicious large numbers of repeated rolls. Far fetched as this may be, it would mean that cheated modules rolled with constraint (one roll today - one roll tomorrow) might have gone under the radar.

In any case, this whole business still stinks from afar despite FDEV's best efforts to contain it. It will certainly keep some players away from Open forever and cast shadows of doubt for others whenever they PvP, no matter how many assurances FDEV now give.

I still don't understand how this RNG based crafting mechanic, best suited for ARPGs with the possibility of countless rerolls, can be considered appropriate by FDEV for a space game with a flight model which was supposed to rely primarily on player skill. The problem is at the core - this exploit story is only one of the symptoms it generates.
 
The thread everyone has been waiting for, good.
About the "just wanted to try it out once" thing.

1. Don't
2. Anyone who did then had the chance to immediately sell the module instead of using it.

I don't care about the salt mining in here, but those caught should perhaps just count themselves lucky that their accounts are still intact, breath a sigh of relief, and carry on.

If Frontier was consistent with how they handled exploits then it wouldn't be a problem.

People combat log everyday, I had multiple people logging on me @ CG's everytime I logged in.

Nothing happens, I report them and see those same people flying in open time and time again.

The problem isn't the fact that they punished people it's the fact they are so inconsistent with it.

People don't typically cheat in Eve because the devs take it serious and it will result in a permaban, period. I see people in Elite in open play to this day that were caught using shield hacks in open and basically given a slap on the wrist.
 
Clearly nobody kept it to themselves, have you seen how many people are affected by this?

Erm, I'm not !!!
Yes it was kept quiet for months before being reported,then nothing was done. Don't be selective about the truth just to suit your keyboard hero comments on the internet.
If you don't believe me ask harry potter, he said so, and mentioned a few other exploits exist that no one knows about(even FD)

NO, I will not give you a citation, search for it yourself.
 
Clearly nobody kept it to themselves, have you seen how many people are affected by this?

It was not made public to everyone in the game but to a select few in one or two groups, you can probably guess which ones. A few weeks ago they posted details of the exploit (after about a year of using it) at which point it became public and a number of people tried it before FD fixed it.
 
Just about everyone I have talked to is walking away from the game now. This will hurt everyone, including the non-PvP crowd.

Enjoy the emptiness of open play because a large portion of the players who frequent open are quitting.

Quite the opposite. This sound like a lot more people will frequent open play and make it a great community. Don't get me wrong though, if you lot figure it was fun playing ED without the exploits, you're always welcome back :)
I don't mind getting interdicted to a fair fight. The prospect of getting interdicted by a bored exploiter, seriously annoyed me.

And for the serious PVP's they should go vanilla as any serious sportsman should compete on skills, not on rolling dice.
 
Wellll, as Loskene above points out, the exploit was reported, and quite some time ago. FDev were just a bit tardy (to put it politely) in fixing it.

Frontier didn't see it as a catastrophic that needed immediate resolution. A ton of moralising, panicking seagulls squawking 24/7 on the forums did though. I guess that gets to anyone after a while, even the developer. That the modules are no different to any other grade 5 modules, beyond being easier to get high-stat rolls, is what makes the entire thing hilarious.
 
As I'm at work can anyone supply one of the posts from some of the PVP community gloating that Frontier will do nothing on this please. Also any links to mass bleatfest Reddit posts/threads would very much be appreciated.

Cheers

Theo

:D
 
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