FDev, you just upset a *lot* of people.

[StuartGT]

Although the OP is probably right as to the reason Frontier did it this way, it's also good to keep in mind that merely removing the compromised rolls would have been only restoring the status quo. When someone breaks the rules, you don't want to just redress the balance, you also need to mete out punishment, beyond just taking away what was obtained illegitimately.

As for damage to Frontier's customer base, it's a lot more hurtful for a game to have a reputation of allowing rampant cheating than to lose a few cheaters.

Unfortunately, as long as combat logging remains rampant, "excusable" and relatively unpunished, Elite Dangerous will always have a reputation for rampant cheating.

 

[Red Anders]

I've spoken to a few explorers who god rolled their fsds after countless rolls who have been hit by this. They will be contacting fdev in due course. The issue is most fdev can do is give them materials not the module. So it'll be up to rng if they ever get those fsds back.

Interesting. My DBX's FSD is probably borderline for god-roll territory, won't be at the absolute maximum possible but I got virtually a max roll on optimised mass, followed by optimised mass boost, mass reduction and extra fuel on the secondaries so I'll have to check that's still there. Funny thing is that was on only about the fifth roll I did for it.

I'd assumed their checking wouldn't actually be looking just at stats of upgrades though, in fact I said I hoped they wouldn't just do it that way when news of this first broke the other week. It seems pointless when they can no doubt compare number of grade 5 modifications rolled to number of grade 5 materials used from the server logs wich would tell them much more.

It's also worth remembering that the exploit here isn't actually obtaining a God roll at all. Someone who tried 100 rolls using the glitch and didn't happen to get a God roll still used the exploit. The exploit is the action, not the outcome.

 

[Runis]

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Cheaters should be punished. Be happy that you didn't get a permaban, although a temp one would have been good.

This is the FDev i like, thank you FDev.

 

[Luniticisi]

Cheaters should be punished. Be happy that you didn't get a permaban, although a temp one would have been good.

This is the FDev i like, thank you FDev.

Just to point out the OP stated he didn't use the exploit and was just worried that he might lose his legit rolled Mods.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

I've spoken to a few explorers who god rolled their fsds after countless rolls who have been hit by this. They will be contacting fdev in due course. The issue is most fdev can do is give them materials not the module. So it'll be up to rng if they ever get those fsds back.

Don't believe a word of it your just trying to stir the pot / muddy the waters.

 

[Ozric]

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I think it would be helpful if such clarifications would be there earlier and easier to find, but still thanks a lot for giving us this information.

If you look at the main Dangerous Discussion forum page, posts with Developer involvement have the dev icon next to them, you can click on that and it will take you to the first dev post. You can then click on the icon in the top right corner of their post and it will take you to the next one if there is one.

 

[Sylow]

They've taken non exploited rolls from people who never touched the exploit.

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I doubt that. What i consider possible is: they've taken exploited rolls from people who haven't -knowingly- used the exploit.
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What i mean is that while i celebrate their action, i consider it extremely unlikely but not impossible that i log in later today and get the message that some engineering was removed. After all i sometimes am impatient and have moved out of the engineering screen by selecting a side panel. So while it is very unlikely that i reproduced all steps for the exploits by accident, it is not completely impossible.
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I will only know for sure on the evening, but my actual point is: there is a small but existing chance that a player doing some engineering might by accident have an log entry which reads as an exploited component. With enough players out there doing engineering, there definitely are a few who by pure chance created an exploited item without knowing it. It's quite logical that they feel innocent, as they didn't know of the exploit and thus never knowingly used it. Yet the procedure to find inconsistencies detected just one case where something doesn't match up, so they got the message and got some upgrade removed.
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So we're probably not speaking of actual false positives here. It's more likely that people who report a false positive just were not aware that they by pure chance followed the steps necessary for the exploit.
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[znôrt]

People who used the exploits really should lose any and all mods, or better even a wipe and/or being locked into solo.

am i the only one who sees the legitimate concern of op?

you guys are out of control, you seem just blood thirsty.

inb4 the furious populace tries to lynch me:
1 - i have never used any exploit, of any type, in this game (unless board switching is an exploit)
2 - i do think the cheaters should be dealt with, and harshly, but JUSTLY

this is the gist of the issue. let's not forget that the existence of the exploit is frontier's fault in the first place and it is their duty to fix this in a transparent and appropriate way. just silently removing modules that 'look like cheat' is simply not good enough.

now i want to know what exactly is the criteria they follow to get rid of these cheats.

and i'm really starting to have an issue with the lynch mob mentality displayed in this thread (not necessarily directed at you, bomba, i just jumped in here, but the problem is statements like 'those who cheated' bear the inevitable question of 'who cheated', and if frontier doesn't come up with a convincing answer to that question then it's they who are cheating at the end.)

 

[Sylow]

If you look at the main Dangerous Discussion forum page, posts with Developer involvement have the dev icon next to them, you can click on that and it will take you to the first dev post. You can then click on the icon in the top right corner of their post and it will take you to the next one if there is one.

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I know. But i am very sure that the same discussion about mission stacking will be around again in the future. Then it would be much more convenient if the clarification could be easily at hand, instead of having to find it on the 22nd page of a strange thread.
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[Bryan K]

You can then click on the icon in the top right corner of their post and it will take you to the next one if there is one.

I did not know that part! Thank you!

 

[Luniticisi]

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I doubt that. What i consider possible is: they've taken exploited rolls from people who haven't -knowingly- used the exploit.
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What i mean is that while i celebrate their action, i consider it extremely unlikely but not impossible that i log in later today and get the message that some engineering was removed. After all i sometimes am impatient and have moved out of the engineering screen by selecting a side panel. So while it is very unlikely that i reproduced all steps for the exploits by accident, it is not completely impossible.
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I will only know for sure on the evening, but my actual point is: there is a small but existing chance that a player doing some engineering might by accident have an log entry which reads as an exploited component. With enough players out there doing engineering, there definitely are a few who by pure chance created an exploited item without knowing it. It's quite logical that they feel innocent, as they didn't know of the exploit and thus never knowingly used it. Yet the procedure to find inconsistencies detected just one case where something doesn't match up, so they got the message and got some upgrade removed.
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So we're probably not speaking of actual false positives here. It's more likely that people who report a false positive just were not aware that they by pure chance followed the steps necessary for the exploit.
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Whilst I am not disagreeing with you, I personally think it's far more likely that most, if not all of those saying they "never touched the exploit .. honest guv" - were not being truthful.

 

[Theodrid]

am i the only one who sees the legitimate concern of op?

you guys are out of control, you seem just blood thirsty.

inb4 the furious populace tries to lynch me:
1 - i have never used any exploit, of any type, in this game (unless board switching is an exploit)
2 - i do think the cheaters should be dealt with, and harshly, but JUSTLY

this is the gist of the issue. let's not forget that the existence of the exploit is frontier's fault in the first place and it is their duty to fix this in a transparent and appropriate way. just silently removing modules that 'look like cheat' is simply not good enough.

now i want to know what exactly is the criteria they follow to get rid of these cheats.

and i'm really starting to have an issue with the lynch mob mentality displayed in this thread (not necessarily directed at you, bomba, but the problem is statements like 'those who cheated' bear the inevitable question of 'who cheated', and if frontier doesn't come up with a convincing answer to that question then it's they who are cheating at the end.)

Frontier should have acted sooner, yes, no doubt about it but those who cheated did so knowing what they were doing. It is not okay to rob your local corner shop just because they haven't installed CCTV yet. Games companies do not, (and rightly so), go into any detail of those who have cheated beyond, 'Right, enough is enough this is what will happen, don't do it again'.

 

[MarkAusten]

am i the only one who sees the legitimate concern of op?

you guys are out of control, you seem just blood thirsty.

inb4 the furious populace tries to lynch me:
1 - i have never used any exploit, of any type, in this game (unless board switching is an exploit)
2 - i do think the cheaters should be dealt with, and harshly, but JUSTLY

this is the gist of the issue. let's not forget that the existence of the exploit is frontier's fault in the first place and it is their duty to fix this in a transparent and appropriate way. just silently removing modules that 'look like cheat' is simply not good enough.

now i want to know what exactly is the criteria they follow to get rid of these cheats.

and i'm really starting to have an issue with the lynch mob mentality displayed in this thread (not necessarily directed at you, bomba, but the problem is statements like 'those who cheated' bear the inevitable question of 'who cheated', and if frontier doesn't come up with a convincing answer to that question then it's they who are cheating at the end.)

I'm not at all sure that "silently" is quite appropriate here. Not only did every commander get a message but FD also posted an official comment on the matter. Silent they were not.

 

[Sylow]

Whilst I am not disagreeing with you, I personally think it's far more likely that most, if not all of those saying they "never touched the exploit .. honest guv" - were not being truthful.

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Or that, yes.
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[Wolf Starslayer]

am i the only one who sees the legitimate concern of op?

you guys are out of control, you seem just blood thirsty.

inb4 the furious populace tries to lynch me:
1 - i have never used any exploit, of any type, in this game (unless board switching is an exploit)
2 - i do think the cheaters should be dealt with, and harshly, but JUSTLY

this is the gist of the issue. let's not forget that the existence of the exploit is frontier's fault in the first place and it is their duty to fix this in a transparent and appropriate way. just silently removing modules that 'look like cheat' is simply not good enough.

now i want to know what exactly is the criteria they follow to get rid of these cheats.

and i'm really starting to have an issue with the lynch mob mentality displayed in this thread (not necessarily directed at you, bomba, but the problem is statements like 'those who cheated' bear the inevitable question of 'who cheated', and if frontier doesn't come up with a convincing answer to that question then it's they who are cheating at the end.)

FD said they can tell; so I'm more willing to trust them then a random poster in a forum where you don't even need to own the game to post.

 

[Ozric]

am i the only one who sees the legitimate concern of op?

you guys are out of control, you seem just blood thirsty.

inb4 the furious populace tries to lynch me:
1 - i have never used any exploit, of any type, in this game (unless board switching is an exploit)
2 - i do think the cheaters should be dealt with, and harshly, but JUSTLY

this is the gist of the issue. let's not forget that the existence of the exploit is frontier's fault in the first place and it is their duty to fix this in a transparent and appropriate way. just silently removing modules that 'look like cheat' is simply not good enough.

now i want to know what exactly is the criteria they follow to get rid of these cheats.

and i'm really starting to have an issue with the lynch mob mentality displayed in this thread (not necessarily directed at you, bomba, but the problem is statements like 'those who cheated' bear the inevitable question of 'who cheated', and if frontier doesn't come up with a convincing answer to that question then it's they who are cheating at the end.)

You should read the actual thread by FD then, as should the OP before starting this one.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/358986-Community-Update-Engineer-Exploit-Action-Taken

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

I'm not sure how the exploit worked, but I have one lvl4 dd roll that is better than the lvl5 range - I'm not sure if that counts. Also, I did make quite a few lvl1 rolls to rank up at the Engineers, but I never got anything extraordinary.

Do those affected get a separate message?

In any case, well done FDev!

Edit: Just reading the official FDev post.

 

[Lunchmoney]

I've run out of rep power

 

[MarkAusten]

You should read the actual thread by FD then, as should the OP before starting this one.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/358986-Community-Update-Engineer-Exploit-Action-Taken

The OP posted his message before the the FD comment was available. OP posted at 09:18, FD comment at 10:37.

 

[racketear]

My opinion is:

Well done FD, tough luck cheaters.

If you love this game you don't cheat.

If you cheat, your opinion is redundant.