General / Off-Topic London Flats Fire

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
FuzzySpider said:
One of the firefighters heading to the scene recorded the approach on his cellphone. This is amazing but difficult to watch.

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/877028750881206272
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It's dramatic. These poor people had no chance to escape from this hell. ---------------------------- For the anecdote, I noticed in the video that the fireman says: "Its a towering inferno here" --- These are the words that I used in the first title of my thread and which was criticized. And replaced by another title by the moderator

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Kenneth McGrew

Kenneth McGrew
MalcYorks said:
Kensington council Chief Executive gets the push but the Tory leader of the council clings on


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ef-steps-down-after-pressure-from-sajid-javid


- shameless really.
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Well the tory leader would have never seen the refurbishment in any detail, the council Chief Executive was responsible in signing off the project, and the project manager who oversaw the project will be liable on the fire risk rating of the panels (and building in general) along with the contractors who installed it - not to mention potentially manslaughter as they did the risk assessments and building works, not the Chief exec or tory leader, they merely ordered the work.

if you sacked the tory leader the real culprits get away free to manage more disastrous projects and put further lives at risk in the future, that's just searching for a scape goat.

politics has nothing to do with the refurbishment contract and regardless of which party leader currently runs that particular council, the civil servants doing the work all remain the same.

#just saying

Also type "hotpoint causes fire" into google and see what comes up


then read this article (as it seams to be getting lower down the google list for some reason a PR cover up perhaps?....)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-caused-huge-tower-block-fire-still-putting/
 
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Gortron

Gortron
Arry said:
Muppet! It was the banks that ruined the economy not the government in power. George Bush running a right wing government did the same thing in the USA
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No, the Labour government turned a blind eye to the irresponsible activities of the banks because they were literally bankrolling the government overspending that we still aren't able afford 9 years later. Labour was in charge, labour let it happen because they were using the cash to buy off voters as they always do. Bubbles burst... they always will. Who claimed they had ended boom and bust? Labour.
 

Arry

Arry
Kenneth Mcgrew said:
Well the tory leader would have never seen the refurbishment in any detail, the council Chief Executive was responsible in signing off the project, and the project manager who oversaw the project will be liable on the fire risk rating of the panels (and building in general) along with the contractors who installed it - not to mention potentially manslaughter as they did the risk assessments and building works, not the Chief exec or tory leader, they merely ordered the work.

if you sacked the tory leader the real culprits get away free to manage more disastrous projects and put further lives at risk in the future, that's just searching for a scape goat.

politics has nothing to do with the refurbishment contract and regardless of which party leader currently runs that particular council, the civil servants doing the work all remain the same.

#just saying

Also type "hotpoint causes fire" into google and see what comes up


then read this article (as it seams to be getting lower down the google list for some reason a PR cover up perhaps?....)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-caused-huge-tower-block-fire-still-putting/
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However: The local Tory council leaders, were informed of the residents concerns, over the last two years and ignored them. The national Tory government have been ignoring calls from the fire service and national safety advisory bodies to make changes in the law, covering cladding standards and fire safety regulations in tower blocks etc, for close to a decade. There is no need for scapegoating or finger pointing; because the facts are out there, for all to see.
 

Marak

Marak
Gortron said:
No, the Labour government turned a blind eye to the irresponsible activities of the banks because they were literally bankrolling the government overspending that we still aren't able afford 9 years later. Labour was in charge, labour let it happen because they were using the cash to buy off voters as they always do. Bubbles burst... they always will. Who claimed they had ended boom and bust? Labour.
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Well... It could be argued that the banking crisis started under a Conservitive government, thanks to Margaret Thatcher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_(financial_markets)

But hindsight is always 20/20
 
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Javert

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Javert
Gortron said:
No, the Labour government turned a blind eye to the irresponsible activities of the banks because they were literally bankrolling the government overspending that we still aren't able afford 9 years later. Labour was in charge, labour let it happen because they were using the cash to buy off voters as they always do. Bubbles burst... they always will. Who claimed they had ended boom and bust? Labour.
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Can you please provide some evidence that Labour knew that the banks were doing this? Also please provide evidence that the Conservatives knew about it and were trying to stop it?

I think the Labour government were marginally overspending, but the 2008 crash was predicted by very few people, and the Conservative party didn't predict it either. This crash had a massively larger effect than the overspending at the time.

Further, the Conservatives have also been overspending and have completely failed to attack the biggest areas of government spending, whilst encouraging everyone to focus on very small areas like EU contributions and unemployment benefits, which forms a tiny proportion of government spending.

Political differences aside, since the 1970s the banks have been bankrolling governments of every type in many countries like the US and UK - this is a systemic problem and not a party policical UK problem.
 

Arry

Arry
Marak said:
Well... It could be argued that the banking crisis started under a Conservitive government, thanks to Margaret Thatcher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_(financial_markets)

But hindsight is always 20/20
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That is what the Tories/Republicans do; deregulate the markets to make money easier; but greed and fraud always get in the way and the 'small investors' get ruined. Blair brought back some of the banking regulations and now the Tories are trying to have them removed again; without regulations, there is just a constant cycle of boom and bust.
 

Arry

Arry
Gortron said:
No, the Labour government turned a blind eye to the irresponsible activities of the banks because they were literally bankrolling the government overspending that we still aren't able afford 9 years later. Labour was in charge, labour let it happen because they were using the cash to buy off voters as they always do. Bubbles burst... they always will. Who claimed they had ended boom and bust? Labour.
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Total rubbish: Labour spent years replacing banking and market regulations that the Tories had removed. Up until the 2008 banking crises, the economy was doing very well under the Labour government. The bubble as you call it, was started by the Tory deregulation and over valued market stocks; caused by massive privatisation, easy credit and inflated mortgages. Which were in place before Labour came to power; all of which are the Tory/Republican modus operandi.
 
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Gortron

Gortron
Javert said:
Can you please provide some evidence that Labour knew that the banks were doing this? Also please provide evidence that the Conservatives knew about it and were trying to stop it?

I think the Labour government were marginally overspending, but the 2008 crash was predicted by very few people, and the Conservative party didn't predict it either. This crash had a massively larger effect than the overspending at the time.

Further, the Conservatives have also been overspending and have completely failed to attack the biggest areas of government spending, whilst encouraging everyone to focus on very small areas like EU contributions and unemployment benefits, which forms a tiny proportion of government spending.

Political differences aside, since the 1970s the banks have been bankrolling governments of every type in many countries like the US and UK - this is a systemic problem and not a party policical UK problem.
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Can you provide evidence that they didn't? People knew about it. The conservatives have been overspending and are constantly criticised for not spending enough. Moaning that they haven't balanced the books isn't a justifiable complaint about austerity; It just shows how much we were and still are overspending. Most incredible of all is that the Tories dared to not buy off old people with perks (that cost the country a fortune) and labour managed to motivate young people to vote against about the only thing that might free up enough actual cash to do anything useful.
 

Gortron

Gortron
Arry said:
Total rubbish: Labour spent years replacing banking and market regulations that the Tories had removed. Up until the 2008 banking crises, the economy was doing very well under the Labour government. The bubble as you call it, was started by the Tory deregulation and over valued market stocks; caused by massive privatisation, easy credit and inflated mortgages. Which were in place before Labour came to power; all of which are the Tory/Republican modus operandi.
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If that is true then they did a terrible job of it. It never scenes ceases to amaze me how people misunderstand thatcher.

[video=youtube;u3CWb9O-q50]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3CWb9O-q50[/video]

[video=youtube;Fys5Z63xCvA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fys5Z63xCvA[/video]
 

Gortron

Gortron
Yaffle said:
I would have been a little happier if there was some form of retribution against the directors as well. Yes, we had to save them as letting retail banks fail is very bad indeed for all sorts of reasons, but there should have been financial penalties at the very least for the key decision makers.

As things stand RBOS is the last millstone. We made a tiny profit on Lloyds, but RBOS was so fundamentally mucked up it's still a disaster and subject to ongoing litigation.
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I'm going of topic even more here but wasn't the sale of HBOS to Lloyds verging on criminal? It is a while back now but I think Lloyds had wanted to take over HBOS for a while but the government had blocked it. It encouraged if not forced a merger during the crisis and that is what took down Lloyds eventually. They were a responsible bank that got destroyed by the government trying not to rescue HBOS. Nobody ever mentions that but I remember working it out at the time.
 

Gortron

Gortron
Arry said:
That is not about Thatchers ideology on credit cards, that last sentence sums it up nicely. She states that labour is against easy credit, but gets kick backs from the Coop.
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wow. interesting interpretation.

[video=youtube;xvz8tg4MVpA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvz8tg4MVpA[/video]
 
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Arry

Arry
Gortron said:
wow. interesting interpretation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvz8tg4MVpA
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She is lying within 15 seconds. She totally forgets to mention raising revenue by selling off public assets; like the Railways, the water board, the gas, electricity and many more: All of which put money into the Tories treasury and enabled tax cuts, to gain votes. All of which are now very very profitable companies and ripping off the consumers, like you and I.

She is also talking about controlling spending, because the poor voter has to pay for it. No; she is attempting to make it acceptable to cut public services; such as pensions and the NHS, benefits and council spending.
 
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