The problem with the new C&P improvements

[Deleted member 115407]

I understand I just don't feel we should remove the ability of a 'backstabber' messing with you; surely that's half the fun is not knowing if the guys honourable to the end, the joy when he doesn't or the rage when he does turn it on mid-way.

My comment was directed at no one person in particular.

 

[Blasphemous One]

Incase if anyone turns report crimes on during fight, simply run away. correct me if i am wrong but you only get bounty for killing a player, otherwise PvP Piracy would be impossible for us.

 

[Muzz UK]

Thought this was going to be a moan thread but OP is 100% correct

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Incase if anyone turns report crimes on during fight, simply run away. correct me if i am wrong but you only get bounty for killing a player, otherwise PvP Piracy would be impossible for us.

You get assault bounties, and it was unclear to me whether or not the new C&P rebuy system would apply only to kills, and not assaults.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

My comment was directed at no one person in particular.

Fair enough but you seemed to suggest that all opinions but a 'vetted set of known pvp personalities' were worthless and I disagree with that; I may not be a known regular but I have and understand the mechanics and do not appreciate my opinion being brushed aside just because I'm not a known murder-hobo affiliated with a big group.

 

[bitstorm]

I understand I just don't feel we should remove the ability of a 'backstabber' messing with you; surely that's half the fun is not knowing if the guys honourable to the end, the joy when he doesn't or the rage when he does turn it on mid-way.

Kinda agree with this.

Like you used to be able to sit outside stations with "report crimes against me" on, and cargo scan players.

Any illegal cargo you found would automatically give them a fine.

It was genuinely really cool.

But it was removed.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I see no problem here, do your duels in anarchy if you can't trust the other side for respecting your gentlemen's agreement.

I'd rather see Frontier work on stuff that matters, like organic PvP happening because one side has a real goal that can be achieved by the use of violence rather than try and catter to that misguided " consensual PvP " nonsense.

This. It is already outside of scope of normal game.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Fair enough but you seemed to suggest that all opinions but a 'vetted set of known pvp personalities' were worthless and I disagree with that; I may not be a known regular but I have and understand the mechanics and do not appreciate my opinion being brushed aside just because I'm not a known murder-hobo affiliated with a big group.

You're projecting. And I'm neither a known murder hobo, nor associated with a big group, so if my ​opinion matters...

 

[RagingxPenguin]

Honestly the funniest part about this is the people they are trying to slow down (The hardcore gankers) will be least affected by this.


This only makes PvP harder.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

You're projecting. And I'm neither a known murder hobo, nor associated with a big group, so...

Well if you were not trying to devalue my opinion then I truly apologise, but I still claim the right to say as I wish in any thread I want to contribute to.

 

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

This. It is already outside of scope of normal game.

It's really not. Legit PVP is the endgame for many players and keeps the money flow for frontier. If there wasn't such thing, many of us would quit the game months ago.

Now you want FD to protect you from each other? After all of the talk about how open is open, and you should be prepared for anything, you want FD to protect you from some 'dishonorable' behavior? There is some crazy juice going around here..

Each other? I have nothing in common with these trolls.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Honestly the funniest part about this is the people they are trying to slow down (The hardcore gankers) will be least affected by this.


This only makes PvP harder.

Then again, Frontier has to experiment. If this doesn't work, they might try something else.

Not every idea is successful.

But let's wait for the live release before we go all crazy. There may well be more details we don't know about.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Maybe the answer is that regardless of crimes reported, the game records who shot you first, and if the opponent switches it on, the police then attack *them* since the game remembers that far back.

Or perhaps the cops turn up and give the cheater a fine for wasting police time?

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

It's really not. Legit PVP is the endgame for many players and keeps the money flow for frontier. If there wasn't such thing, many of us would quit the game months ago.




Each other? I have nothing in common with these trolls.

Is a dissenting opinion not allowed without being trollish?

 

[SP_Predicador]

I prefer to give my support to Frontier.

Is better to have a flaw law, so they can learn to do better, before be for ever in the lawless jungle that is the mess that we have until now. At least are steps in the good direction.

 

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

But let's wait for the live release before we go all crazy. There may well be more details we don't know about.

There's no reason to wait. C&P is being abused against lawful players daily. The only reason why it wasn't a problem so far was because C&P didn't really matter, but now that they're adding punishments for being wanted, it's crucial to remove possible abuse of these mechanics.

 

[Jukelo]

I don't see a reason why anyone would need to change crime reporting mid-fight. If you're not looking for a fight, you just keep it ON and don't care :S

I assume you meant Off but to answer the question nvm misread

Why?

It lets you abuse somebody's trust, which is always a good thing in a multiplayer game. As it stands, you have the option of taking part in these "honorable duels" in anarchies, where nobody gets to play that card on you, or in a policed system (typically because you're lazy and don't want to fly all the way over there - your mistake) where somebody can use that trick. What happens if Frontier does it so that nobody can try and lure you into a honorable duel in which they have no intention of respecting your little agreement? What happens to the banter, what happens to the drama? Nothing but boring videos on youtube where nothing is at stake.

 

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

Maybe the answer is that regardless of crimes reported, the game records who shot you first, and if the opponent switches it on, the police then attack *them* since the game remembers that far back.

Or perhaps the cops turn up and give the cheater a fine for wasting police time?

This would IMO be a great solution, but I still want to see the crime status so I can avoid attacking people who are not interested in a fight.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

I assume you meant Off but to answer the question



It lets you abuse somebody's trust, which is always a good thing in a multiplayer game. As it stands, you have the option of taking part in these "honorable duels" in anarchies, where nobody gets to play that card on you, or in a policed system (typically because you're lazy and don't want to fly all the way over there - your mistake) where somebody can use that trick. What happens to the drama if Frontier does it so that nobody can try and lure you into a honorable duel in which they have no intention of respecting your little agreement? What happens to the banter, what happens to the drama? Nothing but boring videos on youtube where nothing is at stake.

This dude gets it and lol @ some of u suggesting he's a solo hypocrite, some of us know better.

 

[Riverside]

There's no reason to wait. C&P is being abused against lawful players daily. The only reason why it wasn't a problem so far was because C&P didn't really matter, but now that they're adding punishments for being wanted, it's crucial to remove possible abuse of these mechanics.

I think it only adds choices. A little more depth does no harm IMO.