Not bonkers, pragmatic in reality. FD have no intentions of turning open into a toxin free zone. Open is just open. If it remains a waste dump, why should anyone care? Open is not some unique environment, that needs protecting. It just just one of the modes available for use.
The problem with the new C&P improvements
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Not bonkers, pragmatic in reality. FD have no intentions of turning open into a toxin free zone. Open is just open. If it remains a waste dump, why should anyone care? Open is not some unique environment, that needs protecting. It just just one of the modes available for use.
I don't approve of healing in a susposedly real physics based game like Elite. It's a bad mechanic that should be removed immediately.
Your ship computer is recording the fight itself, not just the crimes performed. Landing on the station wipes the fake bounty because you hand over the evidence that you're not guilty, and you even get a big reward for killing the person who falsely sent the cops on you if you manage to do that - if not, the bounty will transfer from you to the one who lied to you.
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Twist all you like, but you can't turn the Crimes Toggle into a promise.
And they cannot do this in PG or Solo?
I'm not saying PvE players aren't allowed to shoot things. All I'm saying is there needs to be some kind of compromise so that one playstyle does not get overwhelmingly left to the pointless time wastage of trolls.
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If I'm in my local and a guy takes a drunken swing at me and misses, and I then immediately take the opportunity to put him in the hospital, it is me who is in the wrong. "But he tried to hit me first," is not an excuse for _my_ actions. You have other options in any interdiction negating your argument, and if in the process you should get hit while taking those alternate actions (more than likely) then your foe then becomes fair game... but not before that occurs.
As mentioned in another thread, my take on the crimes settings switching 'exploit' is that it's a non-issue if the game records the status at the beginning of any PvP encounter. Doing this will negate any change in status by a 'griefer' because the change will not have any effect in the outcome of that encounter.
But how are you determining a false report?
So we agree to a duel, you happen to fire first, I am losing so I switch on report crimes.
How does the game determine it's a false report?
That's an interesting idea and potentially a very fair and good compromise.
Then add a separate duel request, or even a special gamemode for it. But that'd cost much more dev time than a simple HUD icon, amirite?
Sparse details from Sandy regarding C&P changes enabled a 22 page thread.
Impressive even for the Elite forums.
Impressive even for the Elite forums.
Isn't the compromise that all anarchy systems are completely repercussion free.
Plenty of stuff happens at anarchy systems.
If both involved parties had crimes disabled five second into the encounter, any reports sent afterwards are false.
But me as a PvE player I want to turn it on *legitimately* if it goes bad. I didn't sign up to this, I did not agree to your fair duel. I am literally wanting the cops to turn up and do what they are paid to do. ie save my ....
Cops cannot do me for "lying" or "wasting police time" for that.
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Or, conduct the duel in an Anarchy system. The problem is already solved. Amirite?
I don't understand what is going on in this thread. Do some of you guys have history, or what?
Anyway, the truth is this - provided Frontier include the new C&P in the Beta of 2.4, and provided the Devs keep up their admirable level of engagement with the players in major Betas of late - we can and will sort this out then.
Roll on Beta 2.4!
Best to all - I'm off to get drunk and watch Walking Dead on Netflix.
Truesilver
P.S. Ah, now I get it - it's Saturday and y'all started early. OK, let's agree on one thing then - if you were all round at my house right now, then (apart from the internet serial killers) if we were discussing precisely the same issues over a beer, face to face, all of this would be a really friendly conversation. Forums, man ... they bring out the worst in all of us.
Anyway, the truth is this - provided Frontier include the new C&P in the Beta of 2.4, and provided the Devs keep up their admirable level of engagement with the players in major Betas of late - we can and will sort this out then.
Roll on Beta 2.4!
Best to all - I'm off to get drunk and watch Walking Dead on Netflix.
Truesilver
P.S. Ah, now I get it - it's Saturday and y'all started early. OK, let's agree on one thing then - if you were all round at my house right now, then (apart from the internet serial killers) if we were discussing precisely the same issues over a beer, face to face, all of this would be a really friendly conversation. Forums, man ... they bring out the worst in all of us.
And here is where I stop conversing with you. You want a key part of the game to remain a dumpster fire and just get worse over time. I cannot ever agree with that opinion.
Peace out.
CQC sucks because we can't use the ships we like and there's no custom rules. Add stupid power ups on top of that, it's a terrible design.
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As said, this is not an option most of the time.
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Add a short time period after the interdiction during which you can switch the crime reporting ON.