I thought it was always the other way around before? That players wanted to flag that they did not want PvP?. I agree the two concepts do seem to have quite a lot in common, my objection to the PvE flag is along similar lines to this. I derive gameplay from not being sure who I can trust.
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I thought it was always the other way around before? That players wanted to flag that they did not want PvP?. I agree the two concepts do seem to have quite a lot in common, my objection to the PvE flag is along similar lines to this. I derive gameplay from not being sure who I can trust.
I don't think PvP/PvE and baddie/goodie have enough common ground for comparison, but yes, it would be nice to think that there could be some real justification for PvP, and tools to encourage engaging opponents at a similar level of ability & loadout.
Baby steps though, we are getting the chance to try out some new rules. Previous rules (eg speed limits) have not really made the game any safer, just changed the meta. I imagine this will go the same way.
Yes the irony of all this is not lost on me.
Also the demands of repercussions for "bad" PvPers so the "good" PvPers are not incurring an unwanted cost due to "bad behaviour". [blah]
You have to laugh really.
Of course it was the other way around and oh how we were told to "git gud".
Forgive me just this once if I enjoy the shoe being on the other foot. Just this once? Pretty please?
You are aware of my suggestions and opinions on what the Crimes Toggle could become. I would love to get a larger discussion about that, rather than this protect me stuff. I argue here only to expose the the intentions of this suggestion. The Crimes Toggle cannot become a promise, any more than having weapons stowed can become a promise not to attack. It's just anathema to my understanding of the Elite galaxy.
I do think the Toggle is the perfect tool to ensure that PvP doesn't become a defacto crime. It could become a way for those interested in PvP to make themselves available for the struggle. If a ship with the toggle off, can be identified then other PvP'ers would know the door is open. But, I don;t want to see silly desires get support, just because the crazy idea has some similarities to a good idea.
Let the Toggle identify your intentions, but don;t make it some convoluted mechanic because another player can't be bothered to jump to another system.
Of course it was the other way around and oh how we were told to "git gud".
Forgive me just this once if I enjoy the shoe being on the other foot. Just this once? Pretty please?
Hmm. Seems like the cool thing to do would be not to descend to that level. I can empathise though.
At yhe end of the day though FD are making great strides in improving the game. It just seems to be getting better and better. I have faith that they will keep making it better, I dunno, I just have.
Thargoids are going to shower all of us with alien love anyway, I'll get clean then.
They will enrich culturally Elite Universe.
Do not worry, a diversity is good, they said
They will enrich culturally Elite Universe.
Do not worry, a diversity is good, they said
I for one plan to diversify!
They're going to add actual consequences for attacking a clean player, and I'm suggesting to fix the existing problems that allow to exploit the crime punishment against legit players.
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25 pages...gotta love weekends. Problem with the new crime and punishment system? Its a couple years late but better late than never.
Im a bit worse fer wear right now and cant remember what planet Im currently orbiting, so it wouldnt be fair to try and write a serious reply so ye...at first glance, I can understand why a lotta players are gonna love this, but in reality its still months away. The potential exploits will hopefully get plugged, while others probably wont...thats the nature of the beast of introducing complex consequences into an already confusing game.
Im a pacifist in that I actually refuse to arm my ships...I simply will not fight. When I said I was roleplaying serenity in the game, I was actually being serious. Im happy to troll them to death if ye get them on the forums, but in game, Im in the black to get away from decades of making others miserable. Im finding myself.
I hate you all...now leave me alone ^
Im a bit worse fer wear right now and cant remember what planet Im currently orbiting, so it wouldnt be fair to try and write a serious reply so ye...at first glance, I can understand why a lotta players are gonna love this, but in reality its still months away. The potential exploits will hopefully get plugged, while others probably wont...thats the nature of the beast of introducing complex consequences into an already confusing game.
Im a pacifist in that I actually refuse to arm my ships...I simply will not fight. When I said I was roleplaying serenity in the game, I was actually being serious. Im happy to troll them to death if ye get them on the forums, but in game, Im in the black to get away from decades of making others miserable. Im finding myself.
I hate you all...now leave me alone ^
Again your personal experience. So why should everyone need to agree to play the game your way?
Just read the OP - the first post in this thread.
The other 26 pages are responses from a parallel universe which idk how leaked into ours. But basically the OP in the parallel universe was proposing to do something awful and, my word, he got his. Thankfully our rights were defended.
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Been saying that for the last 2 years. Got called every name from carebear to coward. All I ever wanted was the game to be on an even footing.
You cant be a "pirate" in a game where there is no mechanic for being a Pirate. You cant RP being a Pirate in a game where there is no mechanic for it because you are forcing other players to play your game and not their game. I mean sure they can play a Pirate too, but what do they get for doing that? The answer is nothing.
The so called PVP players in this game pushing for Open PVP are all for the most part just griefers. If they truly wanted PVP they would be attempting to provide ideas and methods for making it an integral part of the game and lore. Instead they have been doing nothing but defending their right to blow up new players when and where they want. They were not interested in real PVP. Otherwise they would not have flocked to Elite Dangerous to get it.
It would be like playing Call of Duty without any weapon progression and no levels to gain more abilities. Everyone had a hand gun and a basic rifle and that is all. But hey whatever. This new change will only allow the frame work for FDEV to create a foundation to create real meaningful PVP. The very minor change being implimented will only effect the griefers and murder hobos. There are already mechanics in place for arranged Duels, Power Play, Combat Zones, and Anarchy systems. All the tools for dueling and arranged large scale RP PVP exists. There is no room to complain.
Sure you can Pirate a Player if you want but whats the point? None until there is an actual mechanic for it. So if you choose to pirate a player and kill one, then regardless of the pirates intent the consequences are now known. This is the most lightweight easy to avoid and super lenient Punishment system in any game of this type. If the complaints are rolling in now, I wonder what will happen later when they add more structure to the system.
