General / Off-Topic by 2050 there will be a 9 billion people on the Earth

lysan

lysan
And by 2100 11 Billions projected!

That is a whole lot of people on the earth, so what are you doing to change your life and your footprint on the earth?

Do you grow your own food, or just some of it, do you go down to the first budget supermarket and buy the cheapest food you can find? Do you know how much resources you use just to keep your sorry @ floating :D

I did a calculation, because I'm kind of someone who like to do these calculations.

So I spend 10.7 tons of resources in my household with 4 people to stay alive and run the family.

3.3 tons in consumer good per can be added to this footprint.

6.7 tons in nutrition consumption

0.2 tons in leisure

49.1 Tons in mobility (I travel a lot)

So my environmental backpack weight is 62.7 tons per year, however as I mostly grow my own food, power my own house, the main stress would be the fuel I use in my travels around the world.

What is your footprint, do the test a see for yourself.

http://ressourcen-rechner.de/?lang=en
 

beelbeebub

beelbeebub
Don't forget that after 2100 ish the population is projected to start falling bringing a while new set of problems.....

The increase is essentially baked in now from the post war falls in infant mortality whilst the accompanying falls in birth rate lagged.

I don't think it's impossible for the earth to support 10-11bn, but only if we work together not against each other.

Things like foreign aid to help poorer counties develop directly into sustainable economies, bypassing the cheaper, less sustainable economies we used.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
That's about 8.9 billion more people than I'd like. :p

The world is over populated.

We're really quick to cull or neuter other animals when they get a bit out of control.
But humans? Nah, that's genocide instead.

I'd rather be surrounded by cats than people any day. Lol
 

Pyrotiger

Pyrotiger
One child per household worldwide now.

Anyone else just gets melted down and used for biowaste.

The alternative is yes another WW3 or a plague that makes Ebola look like sniffles. Nature won't take this crap from us much longer.

WHAT ABOUT THE ELEPHANTS?!? :D
 

Glock_N_Load

Glock_N_Load
Lysander lysan said:
And by 2100 11 Billions projected!

That is a whole lot of people on the earth, so what are you doing to change your life and your footprint on the earth?

Do you grow your own food, or just some of it, do you go down to the first budget supermarket and buy the cheapest food you can find? Do you know how much resources you use just to keep your sorry @ floating :D

I did a calculation, because I'm kind of someone who like to do these calculations.

So I spend 10.7 tons of resources in my household with 4 people to stay alive and run the family.

3.3 tons in consumer good per can be added to this footprint.

6.7 tons in nutrition consumption

0.2 tons in leisure

49.1 Tons in mobility (I travel a lot)

So my environmental backpack weight is 62.7 tons per year, however as I mostly grow my own food, power my own house, the main stress would be the fuel I use in my travels around the world.

What is your footprint, do the test a see for yourself.

http://ressourcen-rechner.de/?lang=en
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Actually by 2100 my footprint will be 6 by 6 unless I go with the cremation option.
 

Sooden

Sooden
8.6...
the questioner kept asking me if my info was correct... shocked at the answer i guess :p

A moral win form me...
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but i do live near the local shop, walking distance of my GP, dentist (5 minuets more), have a small hospital across the road from me and can see the fire station from my back window... the school/community center is a 5 minuet wall, so is the town hall.
Live in a fish town, so a lot of food is caught locally(we used to catch it our selves, well my step dad did :p), and there are wind farms all over the hills (i like how they look).. also surrounded by farm land...

We have beaches and woodland, lots of places to explore, so no need to travel when i want a brake... a nice walk in the woods does it for me.

I want very little in my life to be happy, as wanting stuff make you feel sad.

...example of how i keep my energy cost down... my house has no heating system (Blankets and a hurricane lamp in the winter, don't need to heat the whole house), i don't eat cooked food, so don't use microwaves or ovens

so when it comes to all these carbon credits stuff.. bumping up costs... where my rebate ?

Spacebaboy said:
One child per household worldwide now....
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something people may not know about population control.. its a bad idea, not because it won't reduce resource usage, because of economics.

National debt is offset against future generations... E.g the un-born pay the debt (i know sown awful,but it borrowing against future taxation).

So if you have a reduction in population growth or an unproductive population, you are in huge risk of economic collapse... one way to avoid this in a blind panic, to try and offset the debs, is to allow immigration... this is meant to be instant tax payers to offset the national debt/birthrate projection... but as we see, that hasn't worked :)

Addition:
This is based on UK utilities

When it come to resource companies being on board with green solutions it looks good for them, and confusing to some. Why would a company want to sell less units...

It not just the Carbon taxes that force them into this situation, but are a big player... it's a more solid economical model. You don't want to be selling lots of a limited resource, that you have to extract and prospect for... the more effort spent collecting the resources, the less profit.

A better option is to reduce the production of hard assets and move toward services (UK is mainly services). Companies can make just as many, if not more profits via fix service charges. That charge is there no matter what you use.

So if they can reduce the drain on resource they have, they can save a lot of cash, as they secure assets way in advance of them being depleted (Be it prospected or bought, 3rd party), way in advance of inflation. A very cleaver model, but they people and tell them, 'we love the environment, look at us' :p
 
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lysan

lysan
beelbeebub said:
Don't forget that after 2100 ish the population is projected to start falling bringing a while new set of problems.....

The increase is essentially baked in now from the post war falls in infant mortality whilst the accompanying falls in birth rate vlagged.


I don't think it's impossible for the earth to support 10-11bn, but only if we work together not against each other.

Things like foreign aid to help poorer counties develop directly into sustainable economies, bypassing the cheaper, less sustainable economies we used.
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I bet that most people get their stuff from Walmart or homedepo or IKEA type of stores.
They produce in low wage countries, where pollution is business as usual.

I know because I'm a part of big corp. i don't like it but it's reality, the only way to change it, is by being
Aware of it and use your money on product that are responcible towards the environment.

It the only way to make them change the manufacturing methods.
 

Sooden

Sooden
Lysander lysan said:
I bet that most people get their stuff from Walmart or homedepo or IKEA type of stores.
They produce in low wage countries, where pollution is business as usual.

I know because I'm a part of big corp. i don't like it but it's reality, the only way to change it, is by being
Aware of it and use your money on product that are responcible towards the environment.

It the only way to make them change the manufacturing methods.
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my desk is made out of old desks :p

i did get a 'new' chair as the one i had was older than me... now i have one that only half my age... I like the warn out look, simple wooden chair

oh and i also have a bed... the only new furniture i have, but that more of a hygiene issue...

my step dad makes other furniture when needed (i hope learn to do it when he cant, but hate power tools, but have seen a nice 1900s workshop drill i have my eye on*1), but i must confess, we don't grow our own wood... still room for improvement

i like this thread... makes me feel good.


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1*) not a fan of such things since a electrical sowing machine didn't work as intended :p

So don't use vacuum either (eeew, nah wait)... had all my carpet taken out so i can use a dust pan a brush.

Later this year i hope to do all my recharging via solar, but put that on hold as i cant be bother building a system right now (i's so lazy).

...and run lighting off a solar/super cap bank..

Didn't go down this path to be green, did it to be cheap ... the less cash i need, the less i need to work... the more time i can spend doing what i want (but i do love me work)
 
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Iskariot

Iskariot
Lysander lysan said:
What is your footprint, do the test a see for yourself.
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My footprint?
I have no idea, and I do not care enough to answer 25 questions.

I almost never travel, I do not have a car or any other motorized vehicle. I have no children.
That should count for something.

Perhaps with 11 billion people we can start eating humans and use them for fuel.
I always felt that Soylent Green offered some very useful ideas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
 
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lokvette

lokvette
13.7

It went up near the end due to the hoilday questions. Sweden to the South of England then right up to the Lake District added a bit.

Over all I shop local buy local prouduce, use ruseable bags, and have no kids.
 

lysan

lysan
Patrick_68000 said:
It is not the humanity that I pity. It is for the planet



David was a visionary in FE2. For the manufacture of fertilizers

:p
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Biowaste is a good thing, I made a ton of money on that alone :D

lokvette said:
13.7

It went up near the end due to the hoilday questions. Sweden to the South of England then right up to the Lake District added a bit.

Over all I shop local buy local prouduce, use ruseable bags, and have no kids.
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May I ask how old you're, because you don't have kids now doesn't mean you can't have or will never get them, if you're 20 - 40 you could still reproduce ;)
 

ZeroAi

ZeroAi
Wow, that's a lot of people!

However, I think it is self correcting - and not in the WW3 or famine way.

Simply put, as people become more prosperous they have less children, etc.

In the mean time, our goals should be to:

- Clean up our world

Just like after any big "event," you need to clean up. And with the 20th century now over we need to get on with cleaning up. So much good work has been done in this area but still more needs to be done.

- Don't let companies continue to pollute

Almost all the pollution in the world is caused by the companies that serve us. Like dumping dangerous chemicals into the ground or sea to save a few bucks.

"We The People" need to stand up for ourselves and say we will not let anything be imported or sold in our countries unless it was made to our standards - like you had to pay the workers a fair wage and you didn't break our environmental laws in making the product. No more hiding behind "we made it somewhere cheap where people make pennies and we can dump poisons into the ground"

- Stop building up and start building down

So much energy and space is wasted by building our homes and office towers above ground. They have to be heated and cooled, and there is damage from wind, hurricanes and tornadoes. if we built our homes and offices below ground, while initial construction would cost more the lifetime cost is far less, as would be the environmental impact. And I think it would be cool to have a retracting lawn (aka sunroof) as the ceiling to my living room :)

- Help all peoples become self sufficient in producing food

Every people needs to be able to feed themselves locally. Teach a man to fish and all that. Aid should always be a temporary emergency measure, and not a way of life.

- World peace treaty

Most wars are fought over borders and land. So we need to work to resolve all these disputes.

To encourage this, we'll need a new "United Nations" of (only) like minded countries to replace NATO, the UN, etc. Those who make it in must have no outstanding disputes left with any other country and also must meet other standards that most European and North American countries already do.

Members also all agree to protect each other from non-members, and also levy tarrifs on non-members as membership has it's privileges :)

Well, those are a few thoughts :)

Grey
 

shreddog

shreddog
Difference between a overpopulated country vs underpopulated country.. (I feel blessed I live in the latter one)

[video=youtube_share;Lr5PYFgXnYM]https://youtu.be/Lr5PYFgXnYM[/video]


[video=youtube_share;NkSkk2AK1bc]https://youtu.be/NkSkk2AK1bc[/video]
 
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