eddb.io can do it, but it takes a long time to load all those systems. Some of us have already been at work searching for systems equidistant from 14909 to Merope but have not found anything yet. It appears there are approximately 250 systems that range from 105-115 ly from 14909.
Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn
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eddb.io can do it, but it takes a long time to load all those systems. Some of us have already been at work searching for systems equidistant from 14909 to Merope but have not found anything yet. It appears there are approximately 250 systems that range from 105-115 ly from 14909.
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Someone have already tried meta alloys with no effect. See a couple pages back
What I suggest is using other Guardians items: Casket, Totem....
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has anyone tried taking any of the new items from the thargoid sites to one of the Guardian sites yet to see if anything happens there, if the thargoid one responds badly to the relic would the reverse be true as well i wonder?
the further thought occurs do the Thargoid ships when they hyperdict you with a relic do they react differently now?
the further thought occurs do the Thargoid ships when they hyperdict you with a relic do they react differently now?
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But several people have already said in this thread they have tried other objects and they didn't work. I tried getting an Orb+Casket to get lodged in the machine, they didn't take. I then plugged in the UP+UL+UA in as per the norm and then scanned the central pillar with the Orb+Casket in my SRV - still nothing, except the ussual galactic light show.
Only thing that took was the Relics.
So far, it seems only 2 or 3 Relics in place of the UL+UP+UA will trigger the angry emo consciousness of the machine spirit - only using one (in my experiment at least - though it may have been bugged by that point) and then activating the pillar just ejected the sole Relic without any consequences.
Well, yes - since the UL vending machine is effectively a black box, then we have no way of knowing if it's synthesising one from the two - like a replicator; or if it has a ready supply that the UA + UP simply enables access to. I agree: your choice of explanation is entirely subjective.
I think it's the former, but there's no hard evidence, beyond the interpretation of the binary that I favour, for either explanation
As for the idea that "| - -" does actually represent the unknown device, or another object similar to the Unknown Artefact/Probe/Link - I'm not actually sure that's a safe interpretation either, because the symbols/spacing in the UP image aren't actually the same for the bottom two symbols as for the top two.
I was just suggesting that *if* it does indicate another object, or if there is an object that could be labelled '|--' then my interpretation of those other binary symbols predicts that it would be completely unique.
So, yeah: in typical Zoltan style, I'm basically adding a load of ifs and buts - nothing concrete, and probably nothing of real value!
My favourite pet theory is that the known flower ships are Osresrians, and their ships are harvesting meta alloy material as a defence against a Klaxian attack. It would explain how they were able to find the war aftermaths that we've seen, why they look to be harvesting barnacles, why they haven't attacked us yet...we'll somehow ally ourselves with them and use their developed tech to fight off a Klaxian invasion.
Best anyone has come up with - link in sig has section on finding UPs - with links to helpful posts in this thread - good luck!
Yup - see link in sig - near bottom of post is summary of wrecks found and links to original posts where they were reported - most have follow-up posts over the next couple of pages, and we still don't know how Site #3 was found.
Thanks Riz, I did miss that. So, what about meta-alloys?
EDIT: Also, anyone else getting transaction server errors when they put a UA and UP into their SRV cargohold?? I've crashed 4 times now...
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And this is all good. And everything that is tested that has no effect brings your theory closer and closer to being an acceptable fact, which is good.
And apologies if you took my earlier response as hate. It's not hate, it's exasperation and frustration.
I have to deal with that kind of thing at work EG people performing one test, or one fix and declaring a problem solved and the fix as a fact, but they have not done due diligence and it comes back to bite people in the .
It is right that we try a lot more things. By following the exact steps taken by the Lave Radio / Canonn team but with all sorts replacing the UL, EG Coffee, Consumer Goods, Sap8 Core Containers, Meta-Alloys, Tea, Gold, Sothis Gold (shameless plug) etc. If it reacts the same way to any of those then the notion that this is a specific reaction to Guardians is massively weakened. It's does not disprove that there is a past enmity, but to goes a long way to ruling out this specific machine having a Guardians specific reaction.
Or perhaps this machine has several possible reasons and we have seen only two. In that scenario we might miss vital information because we decided we had already seen everything there was to see and moved on.
But it is the declaration that 'this is now a fact' that vexes me. Because others take that up and start spreading those ideas. It's like the whole Klaxion/Oression (probably spelt wrong) thing. There is nothing in ED that I know of that supports this idea. It is entirely from old Elite and Oolite. Yet people throw it around as a given fact in ED. And it might be, but there needs to be proof first. (and if there is proof, please enducate me, I would be delighted).
Which brings me to me last point. This is the Canonn and the Canonn threads which are all about applying scientific method to in game mysteries. that means due diligence and testing. Not trying one thing to see if there might be a reaction, getting that reaction, and concluding your idea is fact. It might be, but it might not be. We need to test the theory much more thoroughly before declaring things as facts.
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Indeed.
Someone have already tried meta alloys with no effect. See a couple pages back
What I suggest is using other Guardians items: Casket, Totem....
Also - have we tried using something other than a UA in the UL factory - maybe it will make something else?
Luckily I think I have a hold full of Ancient Items
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Something that comes to mind.... Why the hell woud the unknown device accept relics? I mean if it doesn't accept anything else differetn from UA UP UL, why the hell does it accept the relic... It must be of a similar technology or giving off similar signal/radiation/etc. There might be a connection between targoid technology and that relic...
Low level tin foil hattery...
--| = 1 (or A, or whichever first letter/sound the Thargoids have)
-|- = 2
-|| = 3
Continuing this pattern: |-- = 4, |-| = 5, ||- = 6, ||| = 7
Anybody know how many fingers the Thargoids have?
The same and similar symbols have been used by eg the UP (http://i.imgur.com/YawVY9G.jpg). I think they are significant.
Coordinates perhaps! Locations of relays?
--| = 1 (or A, or whichever first letter/sound the Thargoids have)
-|- = 2
-|| = 3
Continuing this pattern: |-- = 4, |-| = 5, ||- = 6, ||| = 7
Anybody know how many fingers the Thargoids have?
The same and similar symbols have been used by eg the UP (http://i.imgur.com/YawVY9G.jpg). I think they are significant.
Coordinates perhaps! Locations of relays?
Meta Alloys tried already
And transaction error confirmed bug: you need to jettison the UP from your ship and then scoop it with SRV...
The Machine could be a type of interpretation device: insert Thargoids artefacts and it shows thargoid things like their home galaxy perhaps. Insert Guardian things and it shows a violent happening between the two races..? Insert human artefacts, who knows what we will see.
A thought occurs based on my failure to follow the simple instructions to get the machine working last night (which is why I started trying to cram other things down the chutes in the first place out of frustration), do we know of any way to get the UA/UP back from the machine if we place it in the wrong order?
I personally was so giddy about getting my UP, that I went into the machine room and placed it immediately. I then took my UA to the side chamber, and... nothing. No ULs came to me at all. I tried placing the UA on the floor near the devices to get a UL, but nothing. I assume you need both UA and UP in your cargo at the same time to generate the ULs, however, I couldn't find a way of retrieving those items which I had already placed in the machine.
I did notice that even though they're target-able when in the machine, the UA & UP aren't interact-able - if you fly at them with your cargo scoop open, you just clip through them. Shooting at them just passes through them as well.
So has anyone found a way to get them back from the machine before turning it on?
I personally was so giddy about getting my UP, that I went into the machine room and placed it immediately. I then took my UA to the side chamber, and... nothing. No ULs came to me at all. I tried placing the UA on the floor near the devices to get a UL, but nothing. I assume you need both UA and UP in your cargo at the same time to generate the ULs, however, I couldn't find a way of retrieving those items which I had already placed in the machine.
I did notice that even though they're target-able when in the machine, the UA & UP aren't interact-able - if you fly at them with your cargo scoop open, you just clip through them. Shooting at them just passes through them as well.
So has anyone found a way to get them back from the machine before turning it on?
I wouldn't say the relics were accepted after that reaction. But the interaction is definitely meant to tell us something about Thargoid tech and Guardian tech.
Note that the Scavengers do spit corrosive stuff if you attack them (I accidentially fired on one when i wanted to scan ... oooops. Takes about 1% SRV hull per hit by corrosive damage). Can anyone check whether those "spits" produce an effect similar to the "bullet marks"?
EDIT: Just saw that the Scavengers attack like this in the " off" video on front page, but that there seem to be no traces left (at that stage?).
By the way, I got scanned by a Scavenger with a yellow beam when I drove around outside on the "wreck".
Oh and side note: "Science" should be "Hypothesis + Experient", not "Theory", should it ... you first have to reach certain conclusions for a theory.
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I guess the same, and as another poster some pages before had the idea that these "Thargoids" could be a genetic manipulated/created "intelligent" "weapon" that has turned against it's creator ("Guardians" ?) . Or ( > ruins, some ruin sites seem to be violently destroyed for some parts) they managed to wipe the Guardians out. Some or many of the ancient artifacts and/or relics from the ruins site refer to a death theme (totem, urn, etc.). I think the "Thargoid" site and the Ancient ruins are somehow connected.
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Meta Alloys tried already
And transaction error confirmed bug: you need to jettison the UP from your ship and then scoop it with SRV...
UUUUUUUUURGH MY GOD.... thanks.
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In any case, the Thargoid thing seems to know about the Guardians, so there obviously is a link between the two.
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